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On December 13 2009 17:24 Fzero wrote:
The thing you guys don't understand is that Jaedong has the most BM attitude of anyone in progaming. Jaedong imagines himself killing his opponent IN REALITY in his pre-game warmups. He's admitted this in interviews. Stork is fucking psychotic. He LAUGHS during LIVE TELEVISION matches because he thinks his opponents attempts to kill him are so futile and weak. Idra just types some angry text and leaves the game. Pretty tame, no?
And yet in the midst of all of that... they still GG when they lose.
It may be automatic, it may be a meaningless courtesy, but it is a courtesy nevertheless. Whatever their attitude may be, they do not send messages to their opponents praising themselves. And they never give excuses for a lost or denigrate an opponent for beating them.
To me, it's the last part that's the worst for Idra. I can kinda understand Jaedong and Stork's mindset. I can see a pro player laughing at some crap-ass attempt to knock the master from his perch. I can understand psyching oneself up for battle by imagining killing your opponent.
But when you lose a game, when you are beaten, you accept it. You don't make excuses. You don't denigrate your opponent. You accept that you lost.
To do otherwise shows both an immaturity and an unwillingness to see reality for what it is, rather than what you would like it to be. Isn't that why Scrubs are hated so much? Because they put the blame on something other than themselves when they lose? "Oh, Mutalisks need to be nerfed." "Siege Tanks are too powerful." Etc.
And isn't that attitude exactly why they don't improve? Because they're not willing to find the actual problem rather than inventing fictitious ones, they cannot see their faults for what they are and make them better.
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So Stork laughing at Kwanros attempt to attack him and win the game in a snide manner is ok? but o my gosh...if Idra types some words on a screen babies in Denmark wont get their food....
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On December 13 2009 16:04 KrAzYfoOL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 11:12 Scaramanga wrote:On December 13 2009 10:22 niteReloaded wrote:On December 13 2009 10:15 Slaughter wrote:Irda's BM is as good as his play  Idra's BM for me is a sure indicator he's nowhere near the level of best koreans i.e. we can't expect any bigger things from him .. yet. The mindset that's capable of spilling out such comments isn't even aware how much room for improvement he has. so due to his bm he cant get better, right.... Yeah that's quite true actually, I assume you don't agree with the notion because I'm told you're a bad mannered shitcunt yourself.
why would you bm a bming shitcunt you cuntshitting bm
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On December 13 2009 08:15 Iplaythings wrote:
Was hillarious
also:
Winning without doing anything... Very useful talent toi have
How to beat IdRa: Build carriers and don't do a single thing. He will leave the game, guaranteed. This is because not doing a single thing is funny, and building carriers is a very useful talent toi have.
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On December 13 2009 19:28 Qwertify wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 08:15 Iplaythings wrote:
Was hillarious
also:
Winning without doing anything... Very useful talent toi have How to beat IdRa: Build carriers and don't do a single thing. He will leave the game, guaranteed. This is because not doing a single thing is funny, and building carriers is a very useful talent toi have.
Since IdrA's secret is revealed Nony will have no problems beating him, because Nony can build carriers while not doing a single thing. Congrats lpaying protoss.
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you're all halfelings jesus
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He lost to someone who "won without doing a single thing"... little sad
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On December 13 2009 17:15 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 10:22 niteReloaded wrote:On December 13 2009 10:15 Slaughter wrote:Irda's BM is as good as his play Idra's BM for me is a sure indicator he's nowhere near the level of best koreans i.e. we can't expect any bigger things from him .. yet. The mindset that's capable of spilling out such comments isn't even aware how much room for improvement he has. do you read what you post?
yeah, but it's not my fault you can't understand.
His very mindset that entertains us with BM is a clear indicator of mental blocks, which, beside causing BM, also tend to limit your growth.
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On December 13 2009 18:48 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 17:24 Fzero wrote:
The thing you guys don't understand is that Jaedong has the most BM attitude of anyone in progaming. Jaedong imagines himself killing his opponent IN REALITY in his pre-game warmups. He's admitted this in interviews. Stork is fucking psychotic. He LAUGHS during LIVE TELEVISION matches because he thinks his opponents attempts to kill him are so futile and weak. Idra just types some angry text and leaves the game. Pretty tame, no? And yet in the midst of all of that... they still GG when they lose. It may be automatic, it may be a meaningless courtesy, but it is a courtesy nevertheless. Whatever their attitude may be, they do not send messages to their opponents praising themselves. And they never give excuses for a lost or denigrate an opponent for beating them. To me, it's the last part that's the worst for Idra. I can kinda understand Jaedong and Stork's mindset. I can see a pro player laughing at some crap-ass attempt to knock the master from his perch. I can understand psyching oneself up for battle by imagining killing your opponent. But when you lose a game, when you are beaten, you accept it. You don't make excuses. You don't denigrate your opponent. You accept that you lost. To do otherwise shows both an immaturity and an unwillingness to see reality for what it is, rather than what you would like it to be. Isn't that why Scrubs are hated so much? Because they put the blame on something other than themselves when they lose? "Oh, Mutalisks need to be nerfed." "Siege Tanks are too powerful." Etc. And isn't that attitude exactly why they don't improve? Because they're not willing to find the actual problem rather than inventing fictitious ones, they cannot see their faults for what they are and make them better.
This guy is right.
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TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game
kinda true tho.
if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map.
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On December 13 2009 23:19 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game kinda true tho. if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map.
Most pro terrans would have beaten ret that game.
There is a way to win.
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On December 13 2009 23:19 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game kinda true tho. if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map.
I dunno dude that kinda sounds like doing things
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On December 13 2009 23:23 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 23:19 Piste wrote:TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game kinda true tho. if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map. Most pro terrans would have beaten ret that game. There is a way to win.
yes but most pro terrans are on a different skill level.
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Just watched the game, GG! Well played, ret!
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On December 13 2009 23:27 Piste wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 23:23 Camlito wrote:On December 13 2009 23:19 Piste wrote:TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game kinda true tho. if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map. Most pro terrans would have beaten ret that game. There is a way to win. yes but most pro terrans are on a different skill level.
yeh... if a terran improves his skill level, he can beat it?
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I kind of understand what IdrA means, obviously its not that ret did nothing, but that defending style can get really frustrating as Terran. Ret did play really well and IdrA also played amazing, but he just had no chance against swarm camping. Zerg can move all his units via nydus network and swarms etc just buy time.
I still think it was a really good game and its not easy as zerg to pull off such a defence.
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On December 13 2009 23:26 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 23:19 Piste wrote:TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game kinda true tho. if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map. I dunno dude that kinda sounds like doing things
trust me, its not
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On December 13 2009 18:48 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 17:24 Fzero wrote:
The thing you guys don't understand is that Jaedong has the most BM attitude of anyone in progaming. Jaedong imagines himself killing his opponent IN REALITY in his pre-game warmups. He's admitted this in interviews. Stork is fucking psychotic. He LAUGHS during LIVE TELEVISION matches because he thinks his opponents attempts to kill him are so futile and weak. Idra just types some angry text and leaves the game. Pretty tame, no? And yet in the midst of all of that... they still GG when they lose. It may be automatic, it may be a meaningless courtesy, but it is a courtesy nevertheless. Whatever their attitude may be, they do not send messages to their opponents praising themselves. And they never give excuses for a lost or denigrate an opponent for beating them. To me, it's the last part that's the worst for Idra. I can kinda understand Jaedong and Stork's mindset. I can see a pro player laughing at some crap-ass attempt to knock the master from his perch. I can understand psyching oneself up for battle by imagining killing your opponent. But when you lose a game, when you are beaten, you accept it. You don't make excuses. You don't denigrate your opponent. You accept that you lost. To do otherwise shows both an immaturity and an unwillingness to see reality for what it is, rather than what you would like it to be. Isn't that why Scrubs are hated so much? Because they put the blame on something other than themselves when they lose? "Oh, Mutalisks need to be nerfed." "Siege Tanks are too powerful." Etc. And isn't that attitude exactly why they don't improve? Because they're not willing to find the actual problem rather than inventing fictitious ones, they cannot see their faults for what they are and make them better.
thats because they're forced too. If they dont they'll get a penalty. Typing gg doesnt magically mean you accept you lost. You can type gg and still make excuses. In idra's games that were broadcasted he gged in the ones he lost. The progamers you respect for saying gg probably dont gg in practice games too. Look at some of the reps that were leaked. Half of the reps dont even have the loser gging. What you talking about progamers make excuses in interviews lots of times. Bisu blames the map in a lot of his interviews. I dont know where you people get the notion that all pros are gm and mature.
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On December 13 2009 18:48 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2009 17:24 Fzero wrote:
The thing you guys don't understand is that Jaedong has the most BM attitude of anyone in progaming. Jaedong imagines himself killing his opponent IN REALITY in his pre-game warmups. He's admitted this in interviews. Stork is fucking psychotic. He LAUGHS during LIVE TELEVISION matches because he thinks his opponents attempts to kill him are so futile and weak. Idra just types some angry text and leaves the game. Pretty tame, no? And yet in the midst of all of that... they still GG when they lose. It may be automatic, it may be a meaningless courtesy, but it is a courtesy nevertheless. Whatever their attitude may be, they do not send messages to their opponents praising themselves. And they never give excuses for a lost or denigrate an opponent for beating them. To me, it's the last part that's the worst for Idra. I can kinda understand Jaedong and Stork's mindset. I can see a pro player laughing at some crap-ass attempt to knock the master from his perch. I can understand psyching oneself up for battle by imagining killing your opponent. But when you lose a game, when you are beaten, you accept it. You don't make excuses. You don't denigrate your opponent. You accept that you lost. To do otherwise shows both an immaturity and an unwillingness to see reality for what it is, rather than what you would like it to be. Isn't that why Scrubs are hated so much? Because they put the blame on something other than themselves when they lose? "Oh, Mutalisks need to be nerfed." "Siege Tanks are too powerful." Etc. And isn't that attitude exactly why they don't improve? Because they're not willing to find the actual problem rather than inventing fictitious ones, they cannot see their faults for what they are and make them better.
exactly what I said, but in different words.
This very BM is the indicator that stuff in his head is not correctly arranged.
The only reason you complain is because you believe there's something to complain about.
If the top players truly believed there's something wrong about the game or their opponents, they'd all act like idra.
This is not about self control. It's about seeing what is and what isn't.
Idra is still refusing to claim the losses as his own; instead he's forwarding the blame on stuff outside his control and in a way martyring himself.
It's not the road to success.
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he is an idiot, simple that.
if you dont know how to win that, dont cry and complait about it, learn to lose.
I ask myselft why he didnt say to stork things like that when he lost to dt drop.
i think its respect... that respect you earn young geek
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