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NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
December 13 2009 09:48 GMT
#201
On December 13 2009 17:24 Fzero wrote:
The thing you guys don't understand is that Jaedong has the most BM attitude of anyone in progaming. Jaedong imagines himself killing his opponent IN REALITY in his pre-game warmups. He's admitted this in interviews. Stork is fucking psychotic. He LAUGHS during LIVE TELEVISION matches because he thinks his opponents attempts to kill him are so futile and weak. Idra just types some angry text and leaves the game. Pretty tame, no?


And yet in the midst of all of that... they still GG when they lose.

It may be automatic, it may be a meaningless courtesy, but it is a courtesy nevertheless. Whatever their attitude may be, they do not send messages to their opponents praising themselves. And they never give excuses for a lost or denigrate an opponent for beating them.

To me, it's the last part that's the worst for Idra. I can kinda understand Jaedong and Stork's mindset. I can see a pro player laughing at some crap-ass attempt to knock the master from his perch. I can understand psyching oneself up for battle by imagining killing your opponent.

But when you lose a game, when you are beaten, you accept it. You don't make excuses. You don't denigrate your opponent. You accept that you lost.

To do otherwise shows both an immaturity and an unwillingness to see reality for what it is, rather than what you would like it to be. Isn't that why Scrubs are hated so much? Because they put the blame on something other than themselves when they lose? "Oh, Mutalisks need to be nerfed." "Siege Tanks are too powerful." Etc.

And isn't that attitude exactly why they don't improve? Because they're not willing to find the actual problem rather than inventing fictitious ones, they cannot see their faults for what they are and make them better.
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Fixed
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States174 Posts
December 13 2009 09:59 GMT
#202
So Stork laughing at Kwanros attempt to attack him and win the game in a snide manner is ok? but o my gosh...if Idra types some words on a screen babies in Denmark wont get their food....
fanatacist likes men.....but mostly boys...and some anal toys. Also his ability to read and understand posts is on par with a slightly retarded meerkat.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
December 13 2009 10:09 GMT
#203
On December 13 2009 16:04 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 11:12 Scaramanga wrote:
On December 13 2009 10:22 niteReloaded wrote:
On December 13 2009 10:15 Slaughter wrote:
Irda's BM is as good as his play

Idra's BM for me is a sure indicator he's nowhere near the level of best koreans i.e. we can't expect any bigger things from him .. yet.

The mindset that's capable of spilling out such comments isn't even aware how much room for improvement he has.

so due to his bm he cant get better, right....


Yeah that's quite true actually, I assume you don't agree with the notion because I'm told you're a bad mannered shitcunt yourself.

why would you bm a bming shitcunt you cuntshitting bm
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Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
December 13 2009 10:28 GMT
#204
On December 13 2009 08:15 Iplaythings wrote:
Was hillarious
also:
Winning without doing anything... Very useful talent toi have


How to beat IdRa: Build carriers and don't do a single thing. He will leave the game, guaranteed. This is because not doing a single thing is funny, and building carriers is a very useful talent toi have.
CJ Entusman #24
ftb
Profile Joined October 2009
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 10:41:22
December 13 2009 10:40 GMT
#205
On December 13 2009 19:28 Qwertify wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 08:15 Iplaythings wrote:
Was hillarious
also:
Winning without doing anything... Very useful talent toi have


How to beat IdRa: Build carriers and don't do a single thing. He will leave the game, guaranteed. This is because not doing a single thing is funny, and building carriers is a very useful talent toi have.


Since IdrA's secret is revealed Nony will have no problems beating him, because Nony can build carriers while not doing a single thing. Congrats lpaying protoss.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
December 13 2009 10:42 GMT
#206
you're all halfelings jesus
Predator_au
Profile Joined February 2009
Australia93 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 11:03:28
December 13 2009 11:02 GMT
#207
He lost to someone who "won without doing a single thing"... little sad
If it bleeds, we can kill it.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
December 13 2009 13:23 GMT
#208
On December 13 2009 17:15 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 10:22 niteReloaded wrote:
On December 13 2009 10:15 Slaughter wrote:
Irda's BM is as good as his play

Idra's BM for me is a sure indicator he's nowhere near the level of best koreans i.e. we can't expect any bigger things from him .. yet.

The mindset that's capable of spilling out such comments isn't even aware how much room for improvement he has.


do you read what you post?

yeah, but it's not my fault you can't understand.

His very mindset that entertains us with BM is a clear indicator of mental blocks, which, beside causing BM, also tend to limit your growth.
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
December 13 2009 14:12 GMT
#209
On December 13 2009 18:48 NicolBolas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 17:24 Fzero wrote:
The thing you guys don't understand is that Jaedong has the most BM attitude of anyone in progaming. Jaedong imagines himself killing his opponent IN REALITY in his pre-game warmups. He's admitted this in interviews. Stork is fucking psychotic. He LAUGHS during LIVE TELEVISION matches because he thinks his opponents attempts to kill him are so futile and weak. Idra just types some angry text and leaves the game. Pretty tame, no?


And yet in the midst of all of that... they still GG when they lose.

It may be automatic, it may be a meaningless courtesy, but it is a courtesy nevertheless. Whatever their attitude may be, they do not send messages to their opponents praising themselves. And they never give excuses for a lost or denigrate an opponent for beating them.

To me, it's the last part that's the worst for Idra. I can kinda understand Jaedong and Stork's mindset. I can see a pro player laughing at some crap-ass attempt to knock the master from his perch. I can understand psyching oneself up for battle by imagining killing your opponent.

But when you lose a game, when you are beaten, you accept it. You don't make excuses. You don't denigrate your opponent. You accept that you lost.

To do otherwise shows both an immaturity and an unwillingness to see reality for what it is, rather than what you would like it to be. Isn't that why Scrubs are hated so much? Because they put the blame on something other than themselves when they lose? "Oh, Mutalisks need to be nerfed." "Siege Tanks are too powerful." Etc.

And isn't that attitude exactly why they don't improve? Because they're not willing to find the actual problem rather than inventing fictitious ones, they cannot see their faults for what they are and make them better.


This guy is right.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
December 13 2009 14:19 GMT
#210
TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game


kinda true tho.

if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
December 13 2009 14:23 GMT
#211
On December 13 2009 23:19 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game


kinda true tho.

if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map.

Most pro terrans would have beaten ret that game.

There is a way to win.
sAviOr...
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
December 13 2009 14:26 GMT
#212
On December 13 2009 23:19 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game


kinda true tho.

if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map.


I dunno dude that kinda sounds like doing things
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
December 13 2009 14:27 GMT
#213
On December 13 2009 23:23 Camlito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 23:19 Piste wrote:
TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game


kinda true tho.

if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map.

Most pro terrans would have beaten ret that game.

There is a way to win.


yes but most pro terrans are on a different skill level.
Belano
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden657 Posts
December 13 2009 14:31 GMT
#214
Just watched the game, GG! Well played, ret!
Bring back 1 supply roaches.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
December 13 2009 14:31 GMT
#215
On December 13 2009 23:27 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 23:23 Camlito wrote:
On December 13 2009 23:19 Piste wrote:
TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game


kinda true tho.

if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map.

Most pro terrans would have beaten ret that game.

There is a way to win.


yes but most pro terrans are on a different skill level.


yeh... if a terran improves his skill level, he can beat it?
sAviOr...
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 13 2009 14:33 GMT
#216
I kind of understand what IdrA means, obviously its not that ret did nothing, but that defending style can get really frustrating as Terran. Ret did play really well and IdrA also played amazing, but he just had no chance against swarm camping. Zerg can move all his units via nydus network and swarms etc just buy time.

I still think it was a really good game and its not easy as zerg to pull off such a defence.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 13 2009 14:35 GMT
#217
On December 13 2009 23:26 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 23:19 Piste wrote:
TSL.IdrA: isnt this funny
TSL.IdrA: you won without doing a single thing
TSL.IdrA has left the game


kinda true tho.

if zerg is just careful defending vs dropships and then turtles with swarm till 4gas economy and tech kicks in, how is terran supposed to win? hard map.


I dunno dude that kinda sounds like doing things

trust me, its not
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 14:41:15
December 13 2009 14:36 GMT
#218
On December 13 2009 18:48 NicolBolas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 17:24 Fzero wrote:
The thing you guys don't understand is that Jaedong has the most BM attitude of anyone in progaming. Jaedong imagines himself killing his opponent IN REALITY in his pre-game warmups. He's admitted this in interviews. Stork is fucking psychotic. He LAUGHS during LIVE TELEVISION matches because he thinks his opponents attempts to kill him are so futile and weak. Idra just types some angry text and leaves the game. Pretty tame, no?


And yet in the midst of all of that... they still GG when they lose.

It may be automatic, it may be a meaningless courtesy, but it is a courtesy nevertheless. Whatever their attitude may be, they do not send messages to their opponents praising themselves. And they never give excuses for a lost or denigrate an opponent for beating them.

To me, it's the last part that's the worst for Idra. I can kinda understand Jaedong and Stork's mindset. I can see a pro player laughing at some crap-ass attempt to knock the master from his perch. I can understand psyching oneself up for battle by imagining killing your opponent.

But when you lose a game, when you are beaten, you accept it. You don't make excuses. You don't denigrate your opponent. You accept that you lost.

To do otherwise shows both an immaturity and an unwillingness to see reality for what it is, rather than what you would like it to be. Isn't that why Scrubs are hated so much? Because they put the blame on something other than themselves when they lose? "Oh, Mutalisks need to be nerfed." "Siege Tanks are too powerful." Etc.

And isn't that attitude exactly why they don't improve? Because they're not willing to find the actual problem rather than inventing fictitious ones, they cannot see their faults for what they are and make them better.

thats because they're forced too. If they dont they'll get a penalty. Typing gg doesnt magically mean you accept you lost. You can type gg and still make excuses. In idra's games that were broadcasted he gged in the ones he lost. The progamers you respect for saying gg probably dont gg in practice games too. Look at some of the reps that were leaked. Half of the reps dont even have the loser gging. What you talking about progamers make excuses in interviews lots of times. Bisu blames the map in a lot of his interviews. I dont know where you people get the notion that all pros are gm and mature.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
December 13 2009 14:41 GMT
#219
On December 13 2009 18:48 NicolBolas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 17:24 Fzero wrote:
The thing you guys don't understand is that Jaedong has the most BM attitude of anyone in progaming. Jaedong imagines himself killing his opponent IN REALITY in his pre-game warmups. He's admitted this in interviews. Stork is fucking psychotic. He LAUGHS during LIVE TELEVISION matches because he thinks his opponents attempts to kill him are so futile and weak. Idra just types some angry text and leaves the game. Pretty tame, no?


And yet in the midst of all of that... they still GG when they lose.

It may be automatic, it may be a meaningless courtesy, but it is a courtesy nevertheless. Whatever their attitude may be, they do not send messages to their opponents praising themselves. And they never give excuses for a lost or denigrate an opponent for beating them.

To me, it's the last part that's the worst for Idra. I can kinda understand Jaedong and Stork's mindset. I can see a pro player laughing at some crap-ass attempt to knock the master from his perch. I can understand psyching oneself up for battle by imagining killing your opponent.

But when you lose a game, when you are beaten, you accept it. You don't make excuses. You don't denigrate your opponent. You accept that you lost.

To do otherwise shows both an immaturity and an unwillingness to see reality for what it is, rather than what you would like it to be. Isn't that why Scrubs are hated so much? Because they put the blame on something other than themselves when they lose? "Oh, Mutalisks need to be nerfed." "Siege Tanks are too powerful." Etc.

And isn't that attitude exactly why they don't improve? Because they're not willing to find the actual problem rather than inventing fictitious ones, they cannot see their faults for what they are and make them better.

exactly what I said, but in different words.

This very BM is the indicator that stuff in his head is not correctly arranged.

The only reason you complain is because you believe there's something to complain about.
If the top players truly believed there's something wrong about the game or their opponents, they'd all act like idra.

This is not about self control. It's about seeing what is and what isn't.

Idra is still refusing to claim the losses as his own; instead he's forwarding the blame on stuff outside his control and in a way martyring himself.
It's not the road to success.
YoungModerN
Profile Joined April 2009
Brazil389 Posts
December 13 2009 14:45 GMT
#220
he is an idiot, simple that.
if you dont know how to win that, dont cry and complait about it, learn to lose.

I ask myselft why he didnt say to stork things like that when he lost to dt drop.
i think its respect... that respect you earn young geek
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