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On January 10 2010 08:17 Holgerius wrote:
Aware has got a point IMO; I have a hard time understanding why one would cheese in CPL. When progamers cheese in important tournaments I'm completely fine with that. Winning games is their job and there's plenty of money involved in it. This, however, is a tournament that is about improving as a SC player in a friendly, fun and still sort of competetive enviroment. I really doubt you improve very much by doing all-in builds that wins just because the opponent (me :D) is a fucking noob and fails to realize what is going on despite scouting it (I had never played against the build in my entire life).

On January 10 2010 08:20 Nevuk wrote:
Playing cheese builds frequently lets the cheesing player work on multitasking in ways they otherwise never would. For example, my pvt macro and micro improved immeasurably when I went through a stint of going 10/15 gate in every pvt for about 2 months straight.

edit : The complainers might have a point if he had done a 4 pool, but a 9 hatch 9 pool 2 hatch lurker that was apparently scouted is probably more difficult to execute than to stop. Granted, the majority of the difficulty is denying scouting in a lot of builds like this, but it still requires a pretty good sense of timing. I'm highly curious to see the replay if the guy truly pulled it off in a zvz - that takes balls haha.

On January 10 2010 08:26 wrags wrote:


god shut up you whiny ass bitch jesus

edit shine? rofl

On January 10 2010 08:26 wrags wrote:


god shut up you whiny ass bitch jesus

edit shine? rofl

On January 10 2010 08:25 ketomai wrote:


If your opponent thought like that, then you should just 14 CC every game. Or 4 CC before rax.

CPL is meant to prepare you for the cold, hard world that is out there, and unfortunately, the real world is not NR 15 min. If you want to improve ONLY your standard play, then there are your team mates for that. You shouldn't be expecting CPL matches to be practice games, where the point of the match is to improve what you want to improve, because they're not.

On January 10 2010 08:30 numLoCK wrote:


But CPL isn't meant for builds that are "coinflip" win/lose situations either. It also isn't meant for build sniping or the like. It is meant for players to improve, and then test their improvement against other players like them. Personally, I don't want to test my improvement against someone doing a ridiculous cheese.
Now, I don't know about the 9 pool -> 2 hat lurk, because its not really thaat cheesy. The build is very aggressive and depends upon dealing damage, but its no 4 pool. For me, seeing someone do that makes me think, was he really practicing that build all week? What does he gain from that, other than learning the timings of some ridiculous, oneshot build? Personally, I wouldn't do it, but its nothing to complain over. I mean ya, I could bulldog just about any D level terran player, but why would I do that in a league meant for learning and improvement?

On January 10 2010 08:30 numLoCK wrote:


But CPL isn't meant for builds that are "coinflip" win/lose situations either. It also isn't meant for build sniping or the like. It is meant for players to improve, and then test their improvement against other players like them. Personally, I don't want to test my improvement against someone doing a ridiculous cheese.
Now, I don't know about the 9 pool -> 2 hat lurk, because its not really thaat cheesy. The build is very aggressive and depends upon dealing damage, but its no 4 pool. For me, seeing someone do that makes me think, was he really practicing that build all week? What does he gain from that, other than learning the timings of some ridiculous, oneshot build? Personally, I wouldn't do it, but its nothing to complain over. I mean ya, I could bulldog just about any D level terran player, but why would I do that in a league meant for learning and improvement?

On January 10 2010 08:32 Holgerius wrote:

It's wasn't 9 Pool; it was 9 Hatch first.

On January 10 2010 08:36 numLoCK wrote:

9 hat zvt? Haven't seen that in a while...
Regardless, thats an allin and a half of a build. Definitely has its place in a tournament Bo3, or to snipe a very greedy Terran, but not really in a league where learning is more important than winning.

On January 10 2010 08:29 Nevuk wrote:

shine does horrible things to you in your sleep, and I know that you like it

On January 10 2010 08:30 numLoCK wrote:


But CPL isn't meant for builds that are "coinflip" win/lose situations either. It also isn't meant for build sniping or the like. It is meant for players to improve, and then test their improvement against other players like them. Personally, I don't want to test my improvement against someone doing a ridiculous cheese.
Now, I don't know about the 9 pool -> 2 hat lurk, because its not really thaat cheesy. The build is very aggressive and depends upon dealing damage, but its no 4 pool. For me, seeing someone do that makes me think, was he really practicing that build all week? What does he gain from that, other than learning the timings of some ridiculous, oneshot build? Personally, I wouldn't do it, but its nothing to complain over. I mean ya, I could bulldog just about any D level terran player, but why would I do that in a league meant for learning and improvement?

On January 10 2010 08:38 wrags wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7JqJd62ne4&feature=related

if that's what you mean by horrible then i agree

On January 10 2010 08:40 ketomai wrote:


So then are you saying "improvement" does not encompass executing or adapting and stopping cheese builds? You can not be a good player if you can't stop cheese no matter how good your mechanics become. You will argue that it's an easy facet of your gameplay to fix, but if that were true, no one would lose/complain about it. Stopping cheese builds should be one of the first "tests of your improvement".

The whole format is meant to be competitive as to motivate the players to improve more, and build sniping/predicting is part of the fun of this format. Viewing the CPL matches like practice games where there is no unpredictability defeats the purpose of having the proleague format.