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AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
April 01 2010 18:32 GMT
#2661
On April 02 2010 03:17 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
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On April 01 2010 23:35 AltaiR_ wrote:
MIK, we have an issue. I know that this is supposed to be a team victory, but simply put, not all teams have had the fortune of all 6 of their members being 100% active throughout the whole thing, and the finals WILL be depressing if it stays as bo7. In fact, after talking with other teams, every team BUT you guys had some random leaver on their team leaving the average count of players that show up being 4, and had to deal with it throughout the whole thing. Doing a Bo7 with us repeating a player is not only warping the lineups (i wouldn't want to face a top player twice either..), but it really isn't fair for the rest of us. I know it's lame if some players can't join the finals and participate with the team, but that's how most team leagues are (A team, B team, practice partners etc). The easiest suggestion to this is stick to Bo5, so neither team is follied from any other format besides bo5. We aren't telling you to deal with our standards, just most of us simply don't have the same luxury to keep up with yours. What do you say?

ok thats why we decided to let you guys play someone twice..
I don't see what the problem is, this arrangement only favors you guys

none of us like it, its not very fitting. plus its harder to arrange people/sniping with map reuse
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RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
April 01 2010 18:53 GMT
#2662
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AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
April 01 2010 18:57 GMT
#2663
On April 02 2010 03:53 stormtemplar wrote:
If we do Bo5 neither me or Kcrazy will get to play. It would suck that way. One of your players can play twice, and your argument makes no sense

how does it not make sense. i'll make it simpler. you guys = 6 people, us = not 6 people. doing a modified bo7 = awkward, doing bo5 like we did all league = nothing changes, everything's still fair.
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RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
April 01 2010 19:08 GMT
#2664
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dschoe
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)58 Posts
April 01 2010 19:26 GMT
#2665
just curious, if it really is the case that everyone (that is, all team) favors Bo5 over Bo7, how did we even come to decide Bo7? because i remember that majority of participants agreed on Bo7 when PO started.
plus, i really don't see what the problem is with letting a player repeat. would you rather give us a w/o?
ABC_Chocolate Chocolate[IU] SKT_Kingdom
KCrazy
Profile Joined August 2009
United States278 Posts
April 01 2010 20:12 GMT
#2666
i really dont care what the format is tbh, im having just as much fun being a practice partner
"We need alcohol" ~Stork
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
April 01 2010 20:55 GMT
#2667
On April 02 2010 04:26 dschoe wrote:
just curious, if it really is the case that everyone (that is, all team) favors Bo5 over Bo7, how did we even come to decide Bo7? because i remember that majority of participants agreed on Bo7 when PO started.
plus, i really don't see what the problem is with letting a player repeat. would you rather give us a w/o?


On February 14 2010 13:44 l10f wrote:
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On February 14 2010 13:35 PyroDog wrote:
On February 14 2010 13:33 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Will the play off games be in Bo7 format?
to show the culmination of training from all of the members of the team?


I like that idea. That way it's about the team as a whole, not a few super stars. The teams with the most depth should be rewarded because they've advanced as a group.


Except some teams have one player that never shows up

On February 14 2010 15:04 frozenkatkiller wrote:
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On February 14 2010 13:44 l10f wrote:
On February 14 2010 13:35 PyroDog wrote:
On February 14 2010 13:33 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Will the play off games be in Bo7 format?
to show the culmination of training from all of the members of the team?


I like that idea. That way it's about the team as a whole, not a few super stars. The teams with the most depth should be rewarded because they've advanced as a group.


Except some teams have one player that never shows up


Or two players

On February 15 2010 07:21 Nytefish wrote:
It's kind of unfair for teams that just happened to have unmotivated players.


i dont think so. most of the "agreement" came from xenocide or pyrodog (who also had a few missing players on their team)
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numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
April 01 2010 21:11 GMT
#2668
Its pretty silly that we're doing Bo7 to emphasize the "growth of the entire team" sort of thing when every team that actually has 6 active players only did so because they actively replaced anyone who became inactive. Its not like the teams actually practiced and learned throughout the entire league :/
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
April 01 2010 21:18 GMT
#2669
Why screw with something's thats working well? I say keep it Bo5. It's much easier to field 4 than to field 6. Not fair for those with inactive teams. Plus, as Numlock stated above, the ones with 6 active players were the ones that replaced any inactives. Some teams didn't do that, and you can't blame them for it.
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LCC
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada348 Posts
April 01 2010 22:38 GMT
#2670
You could always make each player match a Bo3 within a team Bo5. FOR SUPER FUN.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
April 01 2010 22:41 GMT
#2671
Do proleague style, 2 BO5s then SUPER ACE!
No I'm never serious.
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
April 01 2010 22:49 GMT
#2672
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AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
April 01 2010 23:09 GMT
#2673
On April 02 2010 07:49 stormtemplar wrote:
Again, I don't want Bo5 because I want to play, it's unfair, we've offered an easy solution, one that will let you play your ace twice before it reaches the ace match, and yet, you come up with a dumb reason. It's not difficult to pretend that your ace is actually two people. It's ridiculous to argue, its stupid, and it punishes us because you refuse to do five seconds more work. You've come up with no good reason, other than your laziness to do a little extra work.

...what part of MY argument is about being lazy? i'm not the person who does lineups, our coach does. it's not just easy to alter our lineup, if you want to play, convince your coach why you should go out instead of your teammates, the rest of us didnt have the fortune for our coach to hand pick such a person as yourself. and tbh letting us use a player twice and not be allowed to play a third time for ACE is a dumber reason to keep this than bo5.
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Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
April 02 2010 01:42 GMT
#2674
On April 02 2010 07:49 stormtemplar wrote:
Again, I don't want Bo5 because I want to play, it's unfair, we've offered an easy solution, one that will let you play your ace twice before it reaches the ace match, and yet, you come up with a dumb reason. It's not difficult to pretend that your ace is actually two people. It's ridiculous to argue, its stupid, and it punishes us because you refuse to do five seconds more work. You've come up with no good reason, other than your laziness to do a little extra work.

Storm, you should be more urbane and diplomatic. After all, you're seen as representing our team when you post in this topic.
MIK Terran
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 01:54:52
April 02 2010 01:54 GMT
#2675
On April 02 2010 10:42 Ruken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 07:49 stormtemplar wrote:
Again, I don't want Bo5 because I want to play, it's unfair, we've offered an easy solution, one that will let you play your ace twice before it reaches the ace match, and yet, you come up with a dumb reason. It's not difficult to pretend that your ace is actually two people. It's ridiculous to argue, its stupid, and it punishes us because you refuse to do five seconds more work. You've come up with no good reason, other than your laziness to do a little extra work.

Storm, you should be more urban and diplomat. After all, you're seen as representing our team when you post in this topic.


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Shine[Kal] #1 fan
Loli
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
60 Posts
April 02 2010 02:09 GMT
#2676
On April 02 2010 10:54 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2010 10:42 Ruken wrote:
On April 02 2010 07:49 stormtemplar wrote:
Again, I don't want Bo5 because I want to play, it's unfair, we've offered an easy solution, one that will let you play your ace twice before it reaches the ace match, and yet, you come up with a dumb reason. It's not difficult to pretend that your ace is actually two people. It's ridiculous to argue, its stupid, and it punishes us because you refuse to do five seconds more work. You've come up with no good reason, other than your laziness to do a little extra work.

Storm, you should be more urban and diplomat. After all, you're seen as representing our team when you post in this topic.


fixed


No, I believe he did mean urbane.
"If the goal is to erase the moon called death reflected on the water's surface, then casting a pebble might not be in vain."
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
April 02 2010 02:12 GMT
#2677
lol I'm playing SC2 PM me when you guys are done arguing
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AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
April 02 2010 04:27 GMT
#2678
so we are never going to reach an accord, MIK?
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Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-02 05:03:25
April 02 2010 05:02 GMT
#2679
On April 02 2010 13:27 AltaiR_ wrote:
so we are never going to reach an accord, MIK?

what does your team say?

Our team already had a meeting and we agree that a Bo7 with any non-ace coming out double is a easy and diplomatic solution. Especially if one of your teammates has multiple personalities, then its really good.

A Bo5 is not as fair to our (and your) less played players. Well not really, but it would be nice for them to have the ability to contribute. Also, we feel that a Bo7 would make the games more exciting because of the greater skill gap possibility in all the matches. (opens the doors for crazy upsets, and crazy snipes)

Another alternative that came up was a Bo21 but we use a random generator to pick players for each match. I have a lot of UMS maps that are basically random generators (like russian roulette) and it would be really fun(ny). Maps could just rotate between the 5 CPL maps in an order l10f would decide.

OR

we could have an UMS tournament where we pick random UMS maps and have a Bo11 series. or Bo43. it doesnt really matter either which way

I suppose the last alternative would be that we play Bo5 but we decide to send out our less-played players instead of our A-team lineup. Unfortunately, in my culture, trying anything less than your best is a terrible dishonor and insult to your opponent so, for cultural reasons, I am against a Bo5
(we cant send our A-lineup for a Bo5 for fairness issues. If we did send out our A-lineup, we'd be nazis/communists/zombies so for ethical reasons, I am against a Bo5.)

EDIT: bolding the two best choices IMO
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
April 02 2010 05:18 GMT
#2680
Fairness to the less played players is so meh as a reason to me.
Our less played players are less played because the vanished and never earned a position in the lineup again. Honestly I don't think anything is more fair than "earn your own spot on the lineup".
And I mean, maybe its just me, but if we play Bo5 all season then I think the finals should also be Bo5. Strength in a Bo5 is what was emphasized all season, and changing the format for the final seems to go against that.
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