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GTR
51497 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/pachi/temp/Odd_eye.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/pachi/temp/Ultimatum.jpg) Odd-Eye: 2 Player Jungle Tileset Map. Ultimatum: 4 Player Space Tileset Map. More info on the rest of the map pool etc. will be released around the time of the Group Ceremony at 18:30 KST on Thursday 19th of November. Source: fomos.kr pachi edit: Slightly bigger images GTR edit: Final two maps will be Match Point and Fighting Spirit. 
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
Sorry, had to get that out. Both look pretty interesting. | ||
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AtlaS
United States1001 Posts
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Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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TwoStep
United States294 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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Sentient66
United States651 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On November 18 2009 14:34 TwoStep wrote: Odd-Eye is very Fantasy-esque and Ultimatum looks to be a good normal map, though are those 4 island expos with no easy third gas? Then not really. I thought, how can a map be like  fantasy? then I realized, I'm a noob. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 18 2009 14:35 dukethegold wrote: Crossing fingers for anti-Zerg imba... Zergs are gonna get raped on Odd-Eye in ZvT. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
Thank god Byzantium and Carthage is gone Ultimatum looks very interesting! 6 and 12 cliffs look imba while 3 and 9 look like total bleg Odd-Eye looks.... Odd. No idea how that map will play out | ||
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 18 2009 14:34 TwoStep wrote: Odd-Eye is very Fantasy-esque and Ultimatum looks to be a good normal map, though are those 4 island expos with no easy third gas? Then not really. Easy third gas I think is the reason Zerg has been dominating Protoss lately (they are able to get the mutalisks and lurkers out very easily vs toss) while toss has to sit on 2 gas until they can push out. Hopefully this will balance things back out a little more. And I like lots of island expos, we get to see Sair/Reaver on it a lot more I feel. | ||
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Khalleb
Canada1909 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
Looks like it'll be like Hwarangdo where players don't bother sending overlords straight away to the opponent's bases. Just too damm far away. I like Ultimatum because it has islands. | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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sumi
United States25 Posts
On November 18 2009 14:35 dukethegold wrote: Crossing fingers for anti-Zerg imba... or what about just balanced maps? S: its silly to want maps to be imba in favor of races just because they got the short straw last time EDIT: Or maybe you meant just maps that prevented zerg imba and were balanced instead >_> I dunno, haha. Odd-Eye looks pretty fun, I wish there were larger pictures though.  | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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UGC4
Peru532 Posts
ultimatum: interesting, the 4th expansions are islands. looks more balanced for ZvP but dont know about PvT | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
Ultimatum looks like another map :D | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
I can't wait for the MSL and OSL to get started up - 2 new maps a piece should leave room for plenty of interesting play and hilarious cheese! | ||
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GTR
51497 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
I want to keep dreaming until next week when I realize that these maps aren't really anything special. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8091 Posts
They both look like good maps imo | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
Odd-Eye of course looks pretty quirky, but it'll be interesting how things turn out on that one! | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
Am I crazy or is this the case? Needless to say THANK YOU for the update. I <3 new maps. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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s_86
United States191 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
On November 18 2009 16:01 HuskyTheHusky wrote: They always seem to use the same tilesets for similar shaped maps. Am I crazy or is this the case? Needless to say THANK YOU for the update. I <3 new maps. jungle - space - twilight - badlands are the most used ones. Installation can't be used (no buildings buildable on it! WTF?), snow hurts people's eyes and ashworld has very limited decoration doodad | ||
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Disarray
United States1164 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7816 Posts
I actually have pretty high hopes for this MSL :D | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On November 18 2009 16:08 konadora wrote: jungle - space - twilight - badlands are the most used ones. Installation can't be used (no buildings buildable on it! WTF?), snow hurts people's eyes and ashworld has very limited decoration doodad I wish there was a hack that allowed installation to be buildable so many new types of maps would appear | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
It sort of looks like some of the older maps, where the third base isn't a gas...who knows, it could maybe even not favor zerg! | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 18 2009 14:44 sumi wrote: or what about just balanced maps? S: its silly to want maps to be imba in favor of races just because they got the short straw last time If the maps still in the map pool are imbalanced in favor of Zerg, it makes sense to want the new maps to be imbalanced against them, so that the map pool AS A WHOLE is balanced. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On November 18 2009 16:08 konadora wrote: jungle - space - twilight - badlands are the most used ones. Installation can't be used (no buildings buildable on it! WTF?), snow hurts people's eyes and ashworld has very limited decoration doodad lol next patch for BW should be that you can build things on installation now.. | ||
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qpirateking
United States17 Posts
On November 18 2009 17:05 ArvickHero wrote: lol next patch for BW should be that you can build things on installation now.. I do a lot of UMS mapping, and I can tell you that installation is not good at all for melee. For one, there are only 2 ramps, and they are both tiny. The fact that installation tiles are nigh unblendable does not help matters. Besides, the tileset is supposed to represent the inside of an installation. It wouldn't make sense to build buildings inside of a building. For the sake of trivia, there is a single installation tile that can be built upon. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
I cannot WAIT to see a good TvT on Odd-Eye ...and I want to see how zerg plays on both. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
Looks like P might have some good score here | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
adjustable main ramp size looks weird on ultimatum :/ | ||
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
Carthage was pretty bad though | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8091 Posts
Thanks pachi | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On November 18 2009 18:29 Scaramanga wrote: Is it just me or dose it look like odd eye is going to bring back some pvt carrier play, so many good cliffs and edges imo Thanks pachi Hmmm, hadn't thought of it, but yeah carriers would have so many places to rape on this map, lots of opportunities to get surrounded too, but where's the fun without a little risk... | ||
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
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DIMJkE
Bulgaria425 Posts
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On November 18 2009 16:34 TheYango wrote: If the maps still in the map pool are imbalanced in favor of Zerg, it makes sense to want the new maps to be imbalanced against them, so that the map pool AS A WHOLE is balanced. That does not make sense at all. You do not resolve an imbalance by implementing an imbalance on the other side of the spectrum. All that does is rearrange what stages of an individual match are favourable towards what race. It does not help resolve the problem in the long run, merely compound it even further. Besides which, it should not be up to KeSPA to decide what race dominates during a specific season, but up to the players and their skill. KeSPA`s job, as far as mapmaking is concerned, should be to produce balanced maps and thus ensure that players are playing to as close of an even field as possible. Is it an easy job? No. But then again, KeSPA mapmakers are payed to do so and they have proven to be capable of producing such maps. Also, to be honest, I think KeSPA releases new maps way too frequently. Yes, a stagnant mappool is never a good thing, as the WC3 scene clearly shows. However, while constantly changing maps do keep the scene fresh and diverse, it also forces progamers to have to constantly play obscene amounts of games to get used to them (if they want to stay competitive). This, in turn, only contributes to the already large burnout rate among progamers. Plus, since KeSPA mapmakers are forced to produce large amounts of maps, the quality control of those maps suffers and thus abominations, such as Battle Royale and Demon`s Forest, are allowed to enter the scene. That is why for SC2, I hope that whoever will be in charge of the progaming mappool will take a golden middle approach and implement finely-tuned maps on a semi-frequent basis while not being afraid to ocassionally use some of the older balanced maps. As much as I love new maps like anyone else, we need to look at the big picture and do what is best for the proscene as a whole. Also, as far as I know, Space is not actually used all that often (although certainly more then Desert, Polar and Ashworld). Infact, prior to Match Point, the last space map was Andromeda and that map is faily old by now. EDIT: I apologise, Rush Hour 3 was the last space map. Still, Space is not as frequent as Jungle, Twillight and Badlands. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
Is it good or is it whack? | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On November 18 2009 18:17 iCCup.deL wrote: Ugly maps From someone who likes python ;o | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1612 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
the space station tileset one seems regular. meh | ||
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Kallaharie
2 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
Btw, am I the only person who actually LIKED Byzantium? Promotes harass play with its twists and turns. Promote smart play and timely engagements with high/low grounds all over the map. Plus, some of the most exciting PvTs ever played in recent memory are on that map. Jangbi vs Nada, Bisu vs Iris, Stork vs ForGG, to name a few. Of course having one map for too long's boring, and I'm glad they've changed it. But I've always found it one of the better maps. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On November 18 2009 21:43 baubo wrote: I like Ultimatum. Huge fan of any map with island expos to encourage air play. Btw, am I the only person who actually LIKED Byzantium? Promotes harass play with its twists and turns. Promote smart play and timely engagements with high/low grounds all over the map. Plus, some of the most exciting PvTs ever played in recent memory are on that map. Jangbi vs Nada, Bisu vs Iris, Stork vs ForGG, to name a few. Of course having one map for too long's boring, and I'm glad they've changed it. But I've always found it one of the better maps. I liked it too and for the exact reasons stated, the PvT's on that map are awesome. Also the map is aesthetically pleasing. | ||
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yhnmk
Canada630 Posts
odd-eye looks cool | ||
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
 the first map looks cool though | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
Ultimatum is a nice name , the map itself looks really complex | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
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iMarshall
Norway190 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On November 18 2009 21:43 baubo wrote: I like Ultimatum. Huge fan of any map with island expos to encourage air play. Btw, am I the only person who actually LIKED Byzantium? Promotes harass play with its twists and turns. Promote smart play and timely engagements with high/low grounds all over the map. Plus, some of the most exciting PvTs ever played in recent memory are on that map. Jangbi vs Nada, Bisu vs Iris, Stork vs ForGG, to name a few. Of course having one map for too long's boring, and I'm glad they've changed it. But I've always found it one of the better maps. I liked Byzantium for exactly the reasons you say. Carthage was trash, though. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
As for the new maps: Odd-Eye's going to be interesting. Zergs get their 3 gas but maybe not the fourth so easily. Protoss will have issues getting more than two bases against anybody. The map it reminds me most of as far as main base structure is Colosseum (only with a bigger main choke) but layout-wise it looks more like Tau Cross, which is all to the good. Actually it's really just weird, but it looks good. Predicting P >> T (mobility), Z >>> P (see HBR), and TvZ... I honestly don't know. The min-lines are safer than in some of the newer maps, but I feel like forcing ground attacks to go around the middle increases the Zerg advantage due to actually useful air units and general mobility. Ultimatum looks like an Andro-Zodiac mashup with an attempt to limit Zergs - probably a solid map but nothing spectacular. | ||
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Nyovne
Netherlands19135 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
ultimatum reminds me of zodiac and andro [oh wait the previous poster just said this] | ||
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myzael
Poland605 Posts
 Is there any information on mineral/gas counts for every spot? | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
Ultimatem looks like Rush Hour and Andromeda put together, with island expos replacing the up hill expos + ones underneath. | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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TheFeared
United States67 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On November 19 2009 00:35 TheFeared wrote: thank god im tired of zergs getting their 3rd gas so easily B) You protoss fans shouldn't be too happy.. There will be more 4 base turtling style + new sim citys, along with muta carapace delaying gayness. Have fun. | ||
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meathook
1289 Posts
Too bad they got rid of Carthage, imo. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
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Piste
6180 Posts
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ZooG
Sweden618 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9949 Posts
so obvious ah well, atleast we'll get some more sair/reaver games again | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Ultimatum on the other hand is clearly a step in that direction, which is good. I don't like the fact that the center is so important: like a few well placed tanks and you are forced to take them out to move around the map. On the other hand the 3rd gas on the island is awesome. Macro friendly maps for sure. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
I can tell its going to be proxy galore on that map and hide in the enemy's main bullcrap. and finally some MSL and the rest SC progaming. fuckign hiatus during WCG didnt entertain us that long. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
3788 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
I would like to see long games on Ultimatum though. 4 island expansions should be interesting. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
on the other hand Ultimatum looks like.. Andromeda on steriods | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
hard 3rd gas plus a crapload of island expos | ||
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On November 18 2009 14:33 krom44 wrote: thank god carthage and byzantium are gone Seriously they're both so bad lol rarely played either one :/ | ||
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Impervious
Canada4211 Posts
I can't say the same about Ultimatum. | ||
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MrHickoryHam54
United States208 Posts
On November 19 2009 00:57 Piste wrote: YES! maybe zergs wont dominate this msl.. you're damn right they wont. ultimatum: u cant get anywhere without going through the middle. Terrans can siege up, settle in, and win odd-eye: 2 of the bases are completely screwed from the start. WTF is making 2 bases with 2 entrances????? and the other 2 are just fine??? but nonetheless, i am still curious to see how ppl will play on these new maps | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 19 2009 06:33 MrHickoryHam54 wrote: odd-eye: 2 of the bases are completely screwed from the start. WTF is making 2 bases with 2 entrances????? and the other 2 are just fine??? lol Odd-Eye is only a 2-player map. 1 and 7 o'clock aren't mains. | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On November 19 2009 00:55 fanatacist wrote: Ultimatum looks like a 4-player Rush Hour with a bit of Zodiac in it. Exactly my thoughts, just add: "but boring" Though I like the large openable ramps to the main, its a nice feature, hopefully we'll see it play actual role in games. As for Odd-Eye, looks decent so far, time will tell. | ||
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Trozz
Canada3455 Posts
Check out Ulti's island spots. Three mineral blocks? Odd-Eye looks awesome. I wanna download these maps. Anyone have them? | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On November 19 2009 06:47 Trozz wrote: I like these new maps. Check out Ulti's island spots. Three mineral blocks? I'd say you can land or build HQ there just by clearing the middle. They wanted the space to be bigger, so there's 3 to block everywhere. | ||
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Trozz
Canada3455 Posts
Are those patches of zero? Or are they 8 each? | ||
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MageKirby
United States535 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
OMG 538 and Trozz ARE POSTING IN HAIKUS :o | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On November 19 2009 07:19 Trozz wrote: Those ARE big islands. Are those patches of zero? Or are they 8 each? If you can build there just by mining out either, there's no difference. On November 19 2009 08:12 3 Lions wrote: Yeah I'm pretty sure the nats are tankable. OMG 538 and Trozz ARE POSTING IN HAIKUS :o Dude, ALL of Trozz's posts are haikus. I dont do this anywhere else. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On November 19 2009 08:18 RoieTRS wrote: Where does a p take his 3rd on OddEye? Look closer, the two closest expansions both have gases, so... there. | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
thats gonna be really key in long term games. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
Ultimatum looks sick! | ||
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Triple7
United States656 Posts
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
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stevethemacguy
United States137 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
gonna be a sick MSL! | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On November 19 2009 13:37 stevethemacguy wrote: Well well, is that a double-gas I see at 7:00 on Odd-eye? yeah, basically whoever takes the southwest wins since you get high ground AND a double gas | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
On November 19 2009 13:54 jalstar wrote: yeah, basically whoever takes the southwest wins since you get high ground AND a double gas Then player on 1'o clock is disadvantaged because it will be easier to keep track of your forces aligned in horizontal orientation rather than vertical orientation. Or maybe it's just me (yes, it is.) | ||
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prOxi.Beater
Denmark626 Posts
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TwoStep
United States294 Posts
On November 20 2009 06:38 haster27 wrote: Then player on 1'o clock is disadvantaged because it will be easier to keep track of your forces aligned in horizontal orientation rather than vertical orientation. Or maybe it's just me (yes, it is.) Two-player map. No 1'o clock position. | ||
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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Trozz
Canada3455 Posts
The dl links will come soon. I want these maps too. | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
odd-eye is interesting... | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On November 19 2009 12:40 n.DieJokes wrote: Ultimatum looks PvZ imba; I can't imagine doing anything other than trying take anothe main and try and turtle on 4 gas Can't you say that about tons of maps though? | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
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.Ix
Philippines266 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/2200/oddeye.jpg) | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
On November 21 2009 07:57 GinNtoniC wrote: Odd-eye looks really T-friendly at first glance no T's gonna get fucken annihilated.... | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 23 2009 10:58 .Ix wrote: This is the first thing I noticed on Odd Eye. it has an odd eye?? o_o | ||
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stambe
Bulgaria492 Posts
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Instigata
United States546 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
On November 27 2009 02:04 stambe wrote: Does anybody by chance have any info when the MSL maps are scheduled to be released in to the public? I think it's about time especially after Groups A and B are finished. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=106552 I made a thread about it, but yeah, it went unnoticed >__> | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
Odd Eye looks good but the symmetry has problems. Looks like another non-standard size map like Carthage. | ||
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Sc1pio
United States823 Posts
On November 28 2009 02:03 Instigata wrote: Anyone have the updated versions of Match Point and any others? Thanks in advance. The ICCup map pack has them. http://www.iccup.com/files/view/iCCup_maps_02.html | ||
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