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On October 10 2009 20:18 Uligor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2009 20:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 10 2009 20:11 Uligor wrote:On October 10 2009 20:08 keV. wrote:On October 10 2009 20:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bisu changed the metagame drastically and had a far better stage presence and charisma than Jaedong. There is nothing special about the Bisu build at all. It's when Bisu does it. How is this any different from Jaedong. Also Bisu = Charisma? any proof of this at all. Find me one interview that deserves an exclamation point. Honestly man, the only thing you are achieving is making it clear that you are an incredibly biased Jaedong fanboy. The article obviously represents the author's opinion mixed in with facts. Stop being so butthurt about someone not sharing your opinion. If youre going to argue against someone in my thread please do so in a less inflammatory manner. If this thread degenerates into an angry Bisu vs Jaedong thread I will be very upset. I'm not planning on arguing, I thought pointing stuff out would maybe make the poster realize it and calm down. With respect to your intentions, I think it is pretty unfair to direct this at me. I think it is pretty clear that I was in no way heading towards a "Jaedong vs Bisu" or "Bonjwa" discussion.
Make less inflammatory post when you point stuff out.
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On October 10 2009 20:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2009 20:16 SuperArc wrote:On October 10 2009 20:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 10 2009 19:59 7mk wrote:
what? nobody is "easily a favourite to win" vs jaedong
"the dropping of many sponsors within a year, (KTF, OGN, Lecaf, and HanbitSoft)"
? KTF didn't drop, neither did Lecaf. Hwaesung owns Lecaf. I see no reason why FantaSy, Bisu, Calm, or FlaSh couldn't be expected to beat Jaedong. also thank you for the correction. because apart from Calm all failed against JD in Bo5s? And they could just as easily win the next one couldn't they.
Nope, JD proved us often enough how HE is easily the favourite in a Bo5 against anyone.
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On October 10 2009 20:08 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2009 20:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bisu changed the metagame drastically and had a far better stage presence and charisma than Jaedong. There is nothing special about the Bisu build at all. It's when Bisu does it. How is this any different from Jaedong. Also Bisu = Charisma? any proof of this at all. Find me one interview that deserves an exclamation point.
As far as I can recall Boxer said in an interview fairly recently that Bisu basically had the charisma to be the new face of Broodwar if he really tried. I think it was in the Boxer-Bisu double interview.
Anyway, is Jaedong a hero or just a really, really good player? I do agree there is a difference. Boxer is the prime example of someone who has the "it" factor in buckets and spades. It's the sense of expectation that when he's playing you might be allowed a glimpse into something truly magical. It's the kind of feeling associated with Federer in tennis and Tiger Woods in golf. Both are ridiculously good at their sport but they in addition have that extra special factor.
I don't know about Jaedong. Often I get the feeling that I'll be able to watch him dominate with impressive ease, but not experience something magical. But who can deny he's one of the greatest current players? I think that what SC really needs, as is pointed out in the article, is a proper rivalry ala Federer-Nadal in tennis. I'd say Jaedong is the Nadal of today, but we need a Federer to compete! Someone who will be a favourite to win against absolutely everyone except Jaedong. That would boost things a lot. Bisu could be that person but he needs some work to do for that. Flash also.
Hopefully one day we'll get a great rivalry again.
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On October 10 2009 20:20 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2009 20:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 10 2009 20:16 SuperArc wrote:On October 10 2009 20:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 10 2009 19:59 7mk wrote:
what? nobody is "easily a favourite to win" vs jaedong
"the dropping of many sponsors within a year, (KTF, OGN, Lecaf, and HanbitSoft)"
? KTF didn't drop, neither did Lecaf. Hwaesung owns Lecaf. I see no reason why FantaSy, Bisu, Calm, or FlaSh couldn't be expected to beat Jaedong. also thank you for the correction. because apart from Calm all failed against JD in Bo5s? And they could just as easily win the next one couldn't they. Nope, JD proved us often enough how HE is easily the favourite in a Bo5 against anyone.
I would not be even slightly surprised is Jaedong lost a Bo5 3-1 or 3-2 to any of the aforementioned players.
I would have shit my pants if BoxeR lost a series to anyone at his peak.
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Holy shit my hair is standing on end that was so true and correct down to the letter.
You sir are amazing.
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On October 10 2009 20:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2009 20:16 Iplaythings wrote:
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow IMBA READ! Give this guy a star and frontpage it asap else imma commit suicide!! (Ya hear me? SUICIDE!!)! The writing staff unanimously agreed this was not worthy of being on the front page. In fact only one of my TLFE's was written with the intent to be a TLFE and it was actually a terrible article.
I hope that was a joke 
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On October 10 2009 20:24 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2009 20:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 10 2009 20:16 Iplaythings wrote:
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow IMBA READ! Give this guy a star and frontpage it asap else imma commit suicide!! (Ya hear me? SUICIDE!!)! The writing staff unanimously agreed this was not worthy of being on the front page. In fact only one of my TLFE's was written with the intent to be a TLFE and it was actually a terrible article. I hope that was a joke
No I'm not joking and they were absolutely right in their decision. This is not the type of article that gets posted on the front page. Ultimately there is no real article and it touches on too many topics. That is what I wanted but not what the staff wanted.
When I write more focused and concise works maybe they will be seen on the homepage.
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On October 10 2009 20:20 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2009 20:18 Uligor wrote:On October 10 2009 20:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 10 2009 20:11 Uligor wrote:On October 10 2009 20:08 keV. wrote:On October 10 2009 20:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bisu changed the metagame drastically and had a far better stage presence and charisma than Jaedong. There is nothing special about the Bisu build at all. It's when Bisu does it. How is this any different from Jaedong. Also Bisu = Charisma? any proof of this at all. Find me one interview that deserves an exclamation point. Honestly man, the only thing you are achieving is making it clear that you are an incredibly biased Jaedong fanboy. The article obviously represents the author's opinion mixed in with facts. Stop being so butthurt about someone not sharing your opinion. If youre going to argue against someone in my thread please do so in a less inflammatory manner. If this thread degenerates into an angry Bisu vs Jaedong thread I will be very upset. I'm not planning on arguing, I thought pointing stuff out would maybe make the poster realize it and calm down. With respect to your intentions, I think it is pretty unfair to direct this at me. I think it is pretty clear that I was in no way heading towards a "Jaedong vs Bisu" or "Bonjwa" discussion. Make less inflammatory post when you point stuff out.
Right, maybe I could've omitted "fanboy" and "butthurt", but aren't these words frequently used on this forum? I also don't really see how these are inflammatory. Regardless, it was not my intention to insult you in any way.
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On October 10 2009 20:30 Uligor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2009 20:20 keV. wrote:On October 10 2009 20:18 Uligor wrote:On October 10 2009 20:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 10 2009 20:11 Uligor wrote:On October 10 2009 20:08 keV. wrote:On October 10 2009 20:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Bisu changed the metagame drastically and had a far better stage presence and charisma than Jaedong. There is nothing special about the Bisu build at all. It's when Bisu does it. How is this any different from Jaedong. Also Bisu = Charisma? any proof of this at all. Find me one interview that deserves an exclamation point. Honestly man, the only thing you are achieving is making it clear that you are an incredibly biased Jaedong fanboy. The article obviously represents the author's opinion mixed in with facts. Stop being so butthurt about someone not sharing your opinion. If youre going to argue against someone in my thread please do so in a less inflammatory manner. If this thread degenerates into an angry Bisu vs Jaedong thread I will be very upset. I'm not planning on arguing, I thought pointing stuff out would maybe make the poster realize it and calm down. With respect to your intentions, I think it is pretty unfair to direct this at me. I think it is pretty clear that I was in no way heading towards a "Jaedong vs Bisu" or "Bonjwa" discussion. Make less inflammatory post when you point stuff out. Right, maybe I could've omitted "fanboy" and "butthurt", but aren't these words frequently used on this forum? I also don't really see how these are inflammatory. Regardless, it was not my intention to insult you in any way.
I would really just prefer if we keep any and all personal accusations out of all future discourse. That's what causes "arguments". We want "discussions"
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On October 10 2009 20:22 Spenguin wrote:
Holy shit my hair is standing on end that was so true and correct down to the letter.
You sir are amazing.
Thank you. That did wonders for my mostly crushed ego.
I hide it well but I actually take criticism very badly.
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Amazing article 
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woooo what an epic article! thank you so much!
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Definitely one of the better articles I've read.
Just one small nitpick though, if Casy is among the S-class heroes, shouldn't Anytime, Nal_ra and Julyzerg be listed there too, or is that simply because there's no article for them?
Also while you did give JD sufficient acknowledgement, I just want to mention if it weren't for Jaedong, the Flash/Bisu/Jaedong era would already be over. It's ridiculous how fast the turnover rate is for S-class players these days.
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On October 10 2009 20:49 san-tokie wrote:
Definitely one of the better articles I've read.
Just one small nitpick though, if Casy is among the S-class heroes, shouldn't Anytime, Nal_ra and Julyzerg be listed there too, or is that simply because there's no article for them?
Also while you did give JD sufficient acknowledgement, I just want to mention if it weren't for Jaedong, the Flash/Bisu/Jaedong era would already be over. It's ridiculous how fast the turnover rate is for S-class players these days.
There is simply no article for them. I would have included all three of those players as well as Reach and GARIMTO.
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also if anyone cares here is alfflas cover
this was originally meant to be a TLFE so it would have had a frontpage cover alternate to the articles banner but it wasn't good enough for that and i don't wanna see this go to waste
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Excellent read. Just a long one. But enjoyable nonetheless. haha. I don't have anything else to say here other than what's already been said; mainly about the omitting of julyzerg, nalra and the bunch, but you already explained. =)
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Yes, I really wish there was a long article on nal.rA
maybe i'll have to be the one to write it.
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I think JD is a hero for one reason:
The number of times his name is written in this article, while still trying to say he is not a hero.
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"They were just 2 zergs " blablabla . Back then July would have destroyed Bisu if he was able to get past Gorush . After all July has never lost a Bo5 to a protoss ( althought now he is pretty likely to lose ). July beat Bisu in the OSL qualifier just after Bisu destroyed Savior to win the MSL .
Imo Jaedong controling 2 groups of mutas at once is heroic allright , because no one on the planet can do it and that's way it's heroic and what about the Eeee-han timing ? ..... when you mention Nada perfectly cloneing the Yamato it is the same thing .
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