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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 18 2009 16:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: You essentially listed a bunch of "Greats" of starcraft and said Jaedong didn't qualify. It's hard to see how that wouldn't bring backlash. I said he was great, the closest thing to a bonjwa we will ever have again, and one of my favorite all time players. | ||
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
It was a great article.. that i've read at least 5 times lol | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I THINK JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW, CLOSE TO BONJWA STATUS, AND INCREDIBLY FUN TO WATCH Also I am not a Bisu fanboy, I am probably the biggest Bisu anti-fan on TL, i hate him i hate him i hate him he is gorgeous though | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
On October 18 2009 16:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also I am not a Bisu fanboy, I am probably the biggest Bisu anti-fan on TL, i hate him i hate him i hate him he is gorgeous though isn't he?! Hyuk is pretty baller looking as well haha | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 18 2009 16:48 QibingZero wrote: Not even a shameless self-bump was going to de-derail your thread, you know... Why should I feel shame for bumping my own article. It wasn't featured or spotlighted like my other ones so I'll probably bump it regularly, or rewrite it as a TLFE (like my sAviOr piece) | ||
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Simple
United States801 Posts
awaiting the next revolution | ||
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siv00
261 Posts
He's going to underperform, slump, drop out of both leagues and cease to be relevant. You should fix the typographical errors with players' names as it makes the article somewhat distracting to read. (i.e.: Nal_rA's name has an underscore, not a period) | ||
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FoBuLouS
United States570 Posts
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
Bonjwa = high amount of success + high popularity + marketable Other than success: Boxer had exciting, back to back cheese + has a good appearance (could be called handsome) Yellow had a special relationship with Boxer + was seen as cool (that dyed hair/KTF/popular phase) Nada started out younger than other pros at his time (young genius impression) Savior has good looks + gives off that really nice guy impression Bisu has good looks + could be seen as greatest of 6 dragons + fangirls oov - it is mentioned in the OP, that some disliked him for beating Boxer + less micro. But his status is acknowledged now (likewise, people who do not "endorse" Jaedong now, might acknowledge his status as a bonjwa in a few years) I'm not sure about Yellow and oov, but the rest are featured in the media more often than other pro gamers and they know how to present themselves well to the public. I think if the media focused more heavily on Jaedong's scary-level concentration, he would develop more nicknames and familiarity with the public. That way, Jaedong could be seen as a great and memorable player sooner. | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Bisu and Flash are great too. This era is filled with a lot of crazy skilled players, that detracts from the dominance of top players. | ||
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LibertyTerran
Vietnam711 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Hence my apprehension to even argue about it. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
It's a spectator sport, and we all get different things from it. Nada was the scariest thing I ever saw. Nal Ra was the single greatest oddity that has graced the scene. Iloveoov was the most inexplicable player I've witnessed. July gave me more adrenaline rush than any other player so far. Savior in his prime really did look like he had everyone in the palm of his hand. Those are some of the players that left strong impressions on me. That doesn't mean that others should feel the same way. Those are just my impressions. I can't prove that Nada was "scarier" than Iloveoov because it's just the way I perceive the two players. For example. Reach, who probably gave more emotional rollercoasters to protoss-followers than any other gamer, never really had the same impact on me. All I saw was an exceptionally gifted protoss gamer with near-borderline retarded decison making skills. Although I didn't miss his nuclear blast-like zealot bombing and fangirl orgasm-inducing psionic storms, his skills didn't translate into strong emotions of any kind for me. It's my loss, because he is such a good gamer to get emotionally attached to. You can't force people into liking a certain player like Boxer, no matter how politically correct it seems, because it's all subjective. Who are we to judge the status on the plethora of gamers that have graced and left the scene? Everyone has a different criteria for the way they feel about each gamer, and creating a discussion based upon this issue will invariably result in a very emotionally charged arguments on why so-and-so is not as memorable or significant as things may seem. Demanding Jaedong to win people over by doing something he is not known for is such a childish ploy. If Jaedong hasn't won you over by now, it probably means that it just isn't meant to be. He already has fair share of memorable games such as his Blue Storm match versus Bisu, Loki 2 and Rush Hour matches against Flash, and Sin Chupung Ryeong matches against Fantasy and Iris. He has defied the odds by TWICE reaching the finals when he was the lone representative of his race in the final eight (something no other player since July in Shinhan 2005 OSL if I remember right). Jaedong has been doing his thing for years now, and it's up to you to apprecaite it or not. Just don't blame it on Jaedong if you can't appreciate him fully. | ||
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LibertyTerran
Vietnam711 Posts
On October 18 2009 18:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's just a glance at 3 eras of broodwar through my eyes. Right there. That could have made a better title. I certainly don't look for anything like a thesis or points form here but if you can't put a title properly for your huge long post, it won't be a good post most definitely. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On October 18 2009 16:48 QibingZero wrote: Not even a shameless self-bump was going to de-derail your thread, you know... ^ Out of curiosity what was the de-railing point in your thread? Did you expect 20 pages of: "Best article ever, awesome opinions." It is an opinion piece clearly, most of the criticism was not that your opinions were wrong, but that your stance was not well defended. That is how you critique an opinion piece. To be honest I don't understand why this thread is getting so much attention and I also do not understand why there are those who are drawing up sympathy for you, particularly with the latest plexa write-up. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On October 18 2009 17:10 siv00 wrote: Jaedong's play in the finals of MSL/OSL was disappointing and he has lost his lethal countenance. He's going to underperform, slump, drop out of both leagues and cease to be relevant. This feels like troll-bait, but on the off-chance you're serious, I'll give a quick reply: Jaedong was not in the MSL finals. In the semi-finals he was beaten by Calm - either by fluke or by masterful display of smart ZvZ or both. In the OSL finals he destroyed Yarnc, after destroying fantasy in the semifinals. Jaedong's only poor performance "recently" was the PL finals where he went 0-3 against 1) fantasy (closest thing he has to a direct rival atm), 2) his own inexplicable 12-hatch and 3) a "strategic play" from the SKT think-tank that, to quote fantasy, "anyone could have executed". In PL this year, he's only had a chance to play a single game (which he won). In short, what are you talking about? I'll grant that there are now Zergs (Calm, EffOrt) playing much closer to Jaedong's level than at any time previously, but smart money says that - like the Maestro before him - Jaedong's going to have to be knocked off his pedestal and sat on a couple times before he "slumps" for more than, say, two weeks. I don't even like Jaedong, but he is that good. If he doesn't make at least the Ro8 in both leagues, I will be highly, amazingly, and in all other ways, surprised. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 18 2009 19:05 keV. wrote: ^ Out of curiosity what was the de-railing point in your thread? Did you expect 20 pages of: "Best article ever, awesome opinions." It is an opinion piece clearly, most of the criticism was not that your opinions were wrong, but that your stance was not well defended. That is how you critique an opinion piece. To be honest I don't understand why this thread is getting so much attention and I also do not understand why there are those who are drawing up sympathy for you, particularly with the latest plexa write-up. I was expecting people to comment on memories of the older players, discuss SC2 and what will happen to BW when it comes out, and talk about the growth/changes in the foreign scene. It got attention, I like to think, because the OP had a lot of effort put into it and was well-written. Since it's not an argument I don't have to defend my stance. I wouldn't have to defend why I like The Doors and don't like Pink Floyd since there is no way to objectify that other than my own relative definition of what "good" music is. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
I was expecting people to comment on memories of the older players, discuss SC2 and what will happen to BW when it comes out, and talk about the growth/changes in the foreign scene. BORING. We only do that here once every other day... So you weren't expecting critique? Maybe its just me who feels the "derailing" of your thread was massively exaggerated, which is disconcerting. | ||
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