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On October 19 2009 17:10 ArvickHero wrote:
Ahhh Bisu/Jaedong/Flash, the three greatest players to have ever played this game. These three just basically exploded onto the scene and dominated in their own time frames. I just have to wonder if the future generations will produce anyone that comes even close to the skill and talent of these three, much less surpass them.

Unfortunately I can't really see any new/current players that can acheive such a feat :l

On October 19 2009 18:08 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

The three greatest players to have played the game.. really. The word great in discussions like this does not equal the most skilled in case you didn't realize. Greatest athletes are those who surpassed all their peers and did what was deemed impossible in their own time frame. Non of your three 'greatest' players have done such a thing when comparing them to a few others in history of BW.

They probably won't be surpassed but the reason for this is different, it's because SC is nearing it's high point in terms of skill. If you are top in this era it means with time it will be harder to surpass you. There could be 10 players at Bisu/Jaedong/Flash level a few years from now, will you be calling them the 10 greatest players to have ever played the game?

On October 19 2009 18:08 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

The three greatest players to have played the game.. really. The word great in discussions like this does not equal the most skilled in case you didn't realize. Greatest athletes are those who surpassed all their peers and did what was deemed impossible in their own time frame. Non of your three 'greatest' players have done such a thing when comparing them to a few others in history of BW.

On October 19 2009 18:54 ArvickHero wrote:
Guess I just have a different definition of "greatest" from you. The giants of the past I consider legendary with their acheivements and pioneering, they were definitely some of the greatest players to play the game. However when I think greatest, I think of how masterfully the game is played, and the current three kings just play the game at an unparalleled skill when playing their finest. They deserve just as much recognition as the old Bonjwas.

I would venture to say that if you put either Boxer/Oov/Nada/Savior in today's setting as a fresh new progamer, they would not be able to dominate the game like they have in their own respective times. In reverse of that, if you put Bisu/Jaedong/Flash back in the past as fresh new progamers, I wouldn't doubt that they would be heralded as Bonjwas years after.

I would say Jaedong is definitely becoming ''great'' in this sense. Winning the Golden Mouse (two OSL's in a row which hasn't been done by anyone since Boxer), an MSL and one GOM thingy in the same era as players such as Bisu, Flash and Stork is a ridiculously impressive feat. He has surpassed all his peers by doing this. He's up there with the greats after the last OSL.

On October 19 2009 18:54 ArvickHero wrote:

Guess I just have a different definition of "greatest" from you. The giants of the past I consider legendary with their acheivements and pioneering, they were definitely some of the greatest players to play the game. However when I think greatest, I think of how masterfully the game is played, and the current three kings just play the game at an unparalleled skill when playing their finest. They deserve just as much recognition as the old Bonjwas.

I would venture to say that if you put either Boxer/Oov/Nada/Savior in today's setting as a fresh new progamer, they would not be able to dominate the game like they have in their own respective times. In reverse of that, if you put Bisu/Jaedong/Flash back in the past as fresh new progamers, I wouldn't doubt that they would be heralded as Bonjwas years after.

On October 19 2009 18:33 Velr wrote:
Haven't people said that SC/BW is nearing it's peak since like... 5++ years?

On October 19 2009 19:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

Do you watch football? I guarantee you there's hundreds of players better than Pele, but are they all greater? Tennis same thing there are thousands of players better than Rod Laver and Bjorn Borg on an absolute level.


You're right I might have been exaggerating a bit to prove a point. I do think those guys all have a shot/nearing being amongst the greatest, but time reference is definitely part of this discussion.