Unfortunately I can't really see any new/current players that can acheive such a feat :l
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ArvickHero
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Unfortunately I can't really see any new/current players that can acheive such a feat :l | ||
theslayer922
Canada304 Posts
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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Wedge
Canada580 Posts
Great write-up, good time to be a BW fan again, as everything is starting up again. The last month or so was pretty rough. | ||
Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On October 19 2009 17:10 ArvickHero wrote: Ahhh Bisu/Jaedong/Flash, the three greatest players to have ever played this game. These three just basically exploded onto the scene and dominated in their own time frames. I just have to wonder if the future generations will produce anyone that comes even close to the skill and talent of these three, much less surpass them. Unfortunately I can't really see any new/current players that can acheive such a feat :l The three greatest players to have played the game.. really. The word great in discussions like this does not equal the most skilled in case you didn't realize. Greatest athletes are those who surpassed all their peers and did what was deemed impossible in their own time frame. Non of your three 'greatest' players have done such a thing when comparing them to a few others in history of BW. They probably won't be surpassed but the reason for this is different, it's because SC is nearing it's high point in terms of skill. If you are top in this era it means with time it will be harder to surpass you. There could be 10 players at Bisu/Jaedong/Flash level a few years from now, will you be calling them the 10 greatest players to have ever played the game? | ||
Velr
Switzerland10694 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On October 19 2009 18:08 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: The three greatest players to have played the game.. really. The word great in discussions like this does not equal the most skilled in case you didn't realize. Greatest athletes are those who surpassed all their peers and did what was deemed impossible in their own time frame. Non of your three 'greatest' players have done such a thing when comparing them to a few others in history of BW. They probably won't be surpassed but the reason for this is different, it's because SC is nearing it's high point in terms of skill. If you are top in this era it means with time it will be harder to surpass you. There could be 10 players at Bisu/Jaedong/Flash level a few years from now, will you be calling them the 10 greatest players to have ever played the game? Guess I just have a different definition of "greatest" from you. The giants of the past I consider legendary with their acheivements and pioneering, they were definitely some of the greatest players to play the game. However when I think greatest, I think of how masterfully the game is played, and the current three kings just play the game at an unparalleled skill when playing their finest. They deserve just as much recognition as the old Bonjwas. I would venture to say that if you put either Boxer/Oov/Nada/Savior in today's setting as a fresh new progamer, they would not be able to dominate the game like they have in their own respective times. In reverse of that, if you put Bisu/Jaedong/Flash back in the past as fresh new progamers, I wouldn't doubt that they would be heralded as Bonjwas years after. | ||
Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 19 2009 18:08 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: The three greatest players to have played the game.. really. The word great in discussions like this does not equal the most skilled in case you didn't realize. Greatest athletes are those who surpassed all their peers and did what was deemed impossible in their own time frame. Non of your three 'greatest' players have done such a thing when comparing them to a few others in history of BW. I would say Jaedong is definitely becoming ''great'' in this sense. Winning the Golden Mouse (two OSL's in a row which hasn't been done by anyone since Boxer), an MSL and one GOM thingy in the same era as players such as Bisu, Flash and Stork is a ridiculously impressive feat. He has surpassed all his peers by doing this. He's up there with the greats after the last OSL. | ||
Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On October 19 2009 18:54 ArvickHero wrote: Guess I just have a different definition of "greatest" from you. The giants of the past I consider legendary with their acheivements and pioneering, they were definitely some of the greatest players to play the game. However when I think greatest, I think of how masterfully the game is played, and the current three kings just play the game at an unparalleled skill when playing their finest. They deserve just as much recognition as the old Bonjwas. I would venture to say that if you put either Boxer/Oov/Nada/Savior in today's setting as a fresh new progamer, they would not be able to dominate the game like they have in their own respective times. In reverse of that, if you put Bisu/Jaedong/Flash back in the past as fresh new progamers, I wouldn't doubt that they would be heralded as Bonjwas years after. Do you watch football? I guarantee you there's hundreds of players better than Pele, but are they all greater? Tennis same thing there are thousands of players better than Rod Laver and Bjorn Borg on an absolute level. I would say Jaedong is definitely becoming ''great'' in this sense. Winning the Golden Mouse (two OSL's in a row which hasn't been done by anyone since Boxer), an MSL and one GOM thingy in the same era as players such as Bisu, Flash and Stork is a ridiculously impressive feat. He has surpassed all his peers by doing this. He's up there with the greats after the last OSL. You're right I might have been exaggerating a bit to prove a point. I do think those guys all have a shot/nearing being amongst the greatest, but time reference is definitely part of this discussion. | ||
siv00
261 Posts
On October 19 2009 18:54 ArvickHero wrote: Guess I just have a different definition of "greatest" from you. The giants of the past I consider legendary with their acheivements and pioneering, they were definitely some of the greatest players to play the game. However when I think greatest, I think of how masterfully the game is played, and the current three kings just play the game at an unparalleled skill when playing their finest. They deserve just as much recognition as the old Bonjwas. I would venture to say that if you put either Boxer/Oov/Nada/Savior in today's setting as a fresh new progamer, they would not be able to dominate the game like they have in their own respective times. In reverse of that, if you put Bisu/Jaedong/Flash back in the past as fresh new progamers, I wouldn't doubt that they would be heralded as Bonjwas years after. No, Bisu/Jaedong/Flash do not deserve as much recognition as NaDa or Boxer. People actually think this? | ||
JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
On October 19 2009 18:33 Velr wrote: Haven't people said that SC/BW is nearing it's peak since like... 5++ years? Of course its constantly getting nearer. Doesnt mean that itd be reached. | ||
Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 19 2009 19:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Do you watch football? I guarantee you there's hundreds of players better than Pele, but are they all greater? Tennis same thing there are thousands of players better than Rod Laver and Bjorn Borg on an absolute level. You're right I might have been exaggerating a bit to prove a point. I do think those guys all have a shot/nearing being amongst the greatest, but time reference is definitely part of this discussion. I definitely see your point; Pele is very good and appropriate example. It just annoys me when people are overly nostalgic, living in the past and don't see the history that is in the making. Federer is reaching the level of greatness that the old legends have, Ronaldo (the real one) will definitely be considered equally awesome as Pele and Maradona when he retires, and Jaedong for example is slowly but surely creeping closer to the Boxer/Nada/Savior/Oov guys. ![]() | ||
ReiKo
Croatia1023 Posts
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