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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
October 19 2009 08:10 GMT
#241
Ahhh Bisu/Jaedong/Flash, the three greatest players to have ever played this game. These three just basically exploded onto the scene and dominated in their own time frames. I just have to wonder if the future generations will produce anyone that comes even close to the skill and talent of these three, much less surpass them.

Unfortunately I can't really see any new/current players that can acheive such a feat :l
Writerptrk
theslayer922
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada304 Posts
October 19 2009 08:27 GMT
#242
Put this on final edits!! >.<
In the Donger I Trust
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
October 19 2009 08:29 GMT
#243
wow sweet read, definitely a lot of insights I'm looking forward to explore!
Xellos <3
Wedge
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
October 19 2009 08:32 GMT
#244
I'm extremely late to the party, but still felt the need to show my appreciation.

Great write-up, good time to be a BW fan again, as everything is starting up again. The last month or so was pretty rough.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 09:08:28
October 19 2009 09:08 GMT
#245
On October 19 2009 17:10 ArvickHero wrote:
Ahhh Bisu/Jaedong/Flash, the three greatest players to have ever played this game. These three just basically exploded onto the scene and dominated in their own time frames. I just have to wonder if the future generations will produce anyone that comes even close to the skill and talent of these three, much less surpass them.

Unfortunately I can't really see any new/current players that can acheive such a feat :l

The three greatest players to have played the game.. really. The word great in discussions like this does not equal the most skilled in case you didn't realize. Greatest athletes are those who surpassed all their peers and did what was deemed impossible in their own time frame. Non of your three 'greatest' players have done such a thing when comparing them to a few others in history of BW.

They probably won't be surpassed but the reason for this is different, it's because SC is nearing it's high point in terms of skill. If you are top in this era it means with time it will be harder to surpass you. There could be 10 players at Bisu/Jaedong/Flash level a few years from now, will you be calling them the 10 greatest players to have ever played the game?
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10764 Posts
October 19 2009 09:33 GMT
#246
Haven't people said that SC/BW is nearing it's peak since like... 5++ years?
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
October 19 2009 09:54 GMT
#247
On October 19 2009 18:08 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 17:10 ArvickHero wrote:
Ahhh Bisu/Jaedong/Flash, the three greatest players to have ever played this game. These three just basically exploded onto the scene and dominated in their own time frames. I just have to wonder if the future generations will produce anyone that comes even close to the skill and talent of these three, much less surpass them.

Unfortunately I can't really see any new/current players that can acheive such a feat :l

The three greatest players to have played the game.. really. The word great in discussions like this does not equal the most skilled in case you didn't realize. Greatest athletes are those who surpassed all their peers and did what was deemed impossible in their own time frame. Non of your three 'greatest' players have done such a thing when comparing them to a few others in history of BW.

They probably won't be surpassed but the reason for this is different, it's because SC is nearing it's high point in terms of skill. If you are top in this era it means with time it will be harder to surpass you. There could be 10 players at Bisu/Jaedong/Flash level a few years from now, will you be calling them the 10 greatest players to have ever played the game?

Guess I just have a different definition of "greatest" from you. The giants of the past I consider legendary with their acheivements and pioneering, they were definitely some of the greatest players to play the game. However when I think greatest, I think of how masterfully the game is played, and the current three kings just play the game at an unparalleled skill when playing their finest. They deserve just as much recognition as the old Bonjwas.

I would venture to say that if you put either Boxer/Oov/Nada/Savior in today's setting as a fresh new progamer, they would not be able to dominate the game like they have in their own respective times. In reverse of that, if you put Bisu/Jaedong/Flash back in the past as fresh new progamers, I wouldn't doubt that they would be heralded as Bonjwas years after.
Writerptrk
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 19 2009 09:59 GMT
#248
On October 19 2009 18:08 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 17:10 ArvickHero wrote:
Ahhh Bisu/Jaedong/Flash, the three greatest players to have ever played this game. These three just basically exploded onto the scene and dominated in their own time frames. I just have to wonder if the future generations will produce anyone that comes even close to the skill and talent of these three, much less surpass them.

Unfortunately I can't really see any new/current players that can acheive such a feat :l

The three greatest players to have played the game.. really. The word great in discussions like this does not equal the most skilled in case you didn't realize. Greatest athletes are those who surpassed all their peers and did what was deemed impossible in their own time frame. Non of your three 'greatest' players have done such a thing when comparing them to a few others in history of BW.

I would say Jaedong is definitely becoming ''great'' in this sense. Winning the Golden Mouse (two OSL's in a row which hasn't been done by anyone since Boxer), an MSL and one GOM thingy in the same era as players such as Bisu, Flash and Stork is a ridiculously impressive feat. He has surpassed all his peers by doing this. He's up there with the greats after the last OSL.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 10:12:30
October 19 2009 10:03 GMT
#249
On October 19 2009 18:54 ArvickHero wrote:
Guess I just have a different definition of "greatest" from you. The giants of the past I consider legendary with their acheivements and pioneering, they were definitely some of the greatest players to play the game. However when I think greatest, I think of how masterfully the game is played, and the current three kings just play the game at an unparalleled skill when playing their finest. They deserve just as much recognition as the old Bonjwas.

I would venture to say that if you put either Boxer/Oov/Nada/Savior in today's setting as a fresh new progamer, they would not be able to dominate the game like they have in their own respective times. In reverse of that, if you put Bisu/Jaedong/Flash back in the past as fresh new progamers, I wouldn't doubt that they would be heralded as Bonjwas years after.

Do you watch football? I guarantee you there's hundreds of players better than Pele, but are they all greater? Tennis same thing there are thousands of players better than Rod Laver and Bjorn Borg on an absolute level.

I would say Jaedong is definitely becoming ''great'' in this sense. Winning the Golden Mouse (two OSL's in a row which hasn't been done by anyone since Boxer), an MSL and one GOM thingy in the same era as players such as Bisu, Flash and Stork is a ridiculously impressive feat. He has surpassed all his peers by doing this. He's up there with the greats after the last OSL.

You're right I might have been exaggerating a bit to prove a point. I do think those guys all have a shot/nearing being amongst the greatest, but time reference is definitely part of this discussion.
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siv00
Profile Joined September 2009
261 Posts
October 19 2009 10:25 GMT
#250
On October 19 2009 18:54 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 18:08 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 19 2009 17:10 ArvickHero wrote:
Ahhh Bisu/Jaedong/Flash, the three greatest players to have ever played this game. These three just basically exploded onto the scene and dominated in their own time frames. I just have to wonder if the future generations will produce anyone that comes even close to the skill and talent of these three, much less surpass them.

Unfortunately I can't really see any new/current players that can acheive such a feat :l

The three greatest players to have played the game.. really. The word great in discussions like this does not equal the most skilled in case you didn't realize. Greatest athletes are those who surpassed all their peers and did what was deemed impossible in their own time frame. Non of your three 'greatest' players have done such a thing when comparing them to a few others in history of BW.

They probably won't be surpassed but the reason for this is different, it's because SC is nearing it's high point in terms of skill. If you are top in this era it means with time it will be harder to surpass you. There could be 10 players at Bisu/Jaedong/Flash level a few years from now, will you be calling them the 10 greatest players to have ever played the game?

Guess I just have a different definition of "greatest" from you. The giants of the past I consider legendary with their acheivements and pioneering, they were definitely some of the greatest players to play the game. However when I think greatest, I think of how masterfully the game is played, and the current three kings just play the game at an unparalleled skill when playing their finest. They deserve just as much recognition as the old Bonjwas.

I would venture to say that if you put either Boxer/Oov/Nada/Savior in today's setting as a fresh new progamer, they would not be able to dominate the game like they have in their own respective times. In reverse of that, if you put Bisu/Jaedong/Flash back in the past as fresh new progamers, I wouldn't doubt that they would be heralded as Bonjwas years after.


No, Bisu/Jaedong/Flash do not deserve as much recognition as NaDa or Boxer. People actually think this?
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
October 19 2009 10:26 GMT
#251
On October 19 2009 18:33 Velr wrote:
Haven't people said that SC/BW is nearing it's peak since like... 5++ years?

Of course its constantly getting nearer. Doesnt mean that itd be reached.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 19 2009 10:56 GMT
#252
On October 19 2009 19:03 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 18:54 ArvickHero wrote:
Guess I just have a different definition of "greatest" from you. The giants of the past I consider legendary with their acheivements and pioneering, they were definitely some of the greatest players to play the game. However when I think greatest, I think of how masterfully the game is played, and the current three kings just play the game at an unparalleled skill when playing their finest. They deserve just as much recognition as the old Bonjwas.

I would venture to say that if you put either Boxer/Oov/Nada/Savior in today's setting as a fresh new progamer, they would not be able to dominate the game like they have in their own respective times. In reverse of that, if you put Bisu/Jaedong/Flash back in the past as fresh new progamers, I wouldn't doubt that they would be heralded as Bonjwas years after.

Do you watch football? I guarantee you there's hundreds of players better than Pele, but are they all greater? Tennis same thing there are thousands of players better than Rod Laver and Bjorn Borg on an absolute level.

Show nested quote +
I would say Jaedong is definitely becoming ''great'' in this sense. Winning the Golden Mouse (two OSL's in a row which hasn't been done by anyone since Boxer), an MSL and one GOM thingy in the same era as players such as Bisu, Flash and Stork is a ridiculously impressive feat. He has surpassed all his peers by doing this. He's up there with the greats after the last OSL.

You're right I might have been exaggerating a bit to prove a point. I do think those guys all have a shot/nearing being amongst the greatest, but time reference is definitely part of this discussion.

I definitely see your point; Pele is very good and appropriate example. It just annoys me when people are overly nostalgic, living in the past and don't see the history that is in the making. Federer is reaching the level of greatness that the old legends have, Ronaldo (the real one) will definitely be considered equally awesome as Pele and Maradona when he retires, and Jaedong for example is slowly but surely creeping closer to the Boxer/Nada/Savior/Oov guys.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
ReiKo
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Croatia1023 Posts
October 19 2009 21:54 GMT
#253
Great article...
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