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ProbeSaturation
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada292 Posts
October 11 2009 03:57 GMT
#181
Bisu is definitely a Broodwar hero.
He saved protoss during their darkest days
And during the recent age of swarm, where all the protoss fell and burned
He stood his ground and instilled a glimmer of hope for his race

Jaedong...meh?
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
October 11 2009 04:06 GMT
#182
I honestly think that there are only 4 major players to look out for since like 2007, and they are bisu, flash, jaedong, and stork. They all held the #1 kespa spot for a while and one of the four is usually playing really well at anytime. So if you can call 2007 and back the age of bonjwa/heroes, I think you can call 2007 and onward the age of the four kings.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
October 11 2009 04:09 GMT
#183
On October 11 2009 12:46 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2009 12:05 Probe. wrote:
TwoToneTerran, you need to find a GPS so you can navigate your head out of jaedongs ass. The article was opinionated and a good read. Yes there wasn't much purpose to it but so what? Why does it concern you so bad about what he wrote or didn't write about jaedong? Just let it go man.


I don't give one damn about what he thinks about Jaedong. I found the article misleading via the title, cliche via the content, disjointed via the topics, his criteria skewed via his comparisons, and that it'd be better found in Blogs instead of the Broodwar section.

Get your head out of his ass if you don't think he's worthy of critique.


Uh oh guys get the banstick out the title was a bit misleading and TTT got his hopes up. I think his points about JaeDong are reasonable enough from his criteria and I'd tend to agree with him so far as the three big names nowadays have a different aura compared to the BoxeRs and YellOws of old. You can make similar observations in many sports too, so why is it not valid - we are not here to criticise writing style in a non-constructive manner or relegate an article to blogs just because we don't agree with the format or how something was said.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 11 2009 04:11 GMT
#184
I detailed all of those points in the previous post and even if the tone was not to his liking, they were all critically constructive.
Remember Violet.
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
October 11 2009 04:20 GMT
#185
Very nice article.

I'll just throw this out there: The era from 00-05 or so had FAR fewer games played, in the last couple years its come to the point where you don't have to wait at all to see the top players do their thing.

I used to seriously ANTICIPATE and look up the new weekly OSL match ups and later MSL when it was having a particularly exciting season. Then watch them either live at 1-5am depending on time of year or download them immediately on saturday morning while I made breakfast. It didn't really always matter what players were up to bat, I remember this Zerg player named MAX from oh, probably the 04-era. I mean he was around for a while but that was when he was in Starleague I think. He wasn't a particularly notable player in the long run but if you watched him come through Challenge league and then hit OSL he was PRETTY hot. He ran through several notables and then i believe had to play Boxer or Nada on this map called Alchemist. It was truly one of the worst maps ever but hella random and fun to watch.. Anyway he won and then I believe still didnt manage to get out of his group or something but shit like that happened ALL the time. The games were VERY exciting. I can't even explain why exactly but you had only a few platforms at a time to watch so it really made the games notable, I think. Imagine if Jaedong just played once every week or two instead of 3 times a week. His play would be much more mystical rather than "oh he does this every time vs Terran."

I like to watch SC still but Im also at times an extremely hardcore player, its way more boring now to me so I can't even imagine what its like for the casual watcher who doesn't even play the game. As the pro scene expanded it felt awesome to be able to watch SC any night of the week and always have a lot of new games but when the old players moved on and KESPA came through homogenizing the map picking process and all their other political stuff, it really just sucked the life out of it and then the glut of games happened. It just needs to go back to being 1-2 singles leagues and a team league. 3 nights a week.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 11 2009 12:40 GMT
#186
I'm surprised you listed CaSy as a so-called "hero". If I remember correctly, he was quite the one-hit wonder, winning his OSL simply because it was mostly Zerg infested. He was simply a completely abyssal TvP player, a good TvT player, and an S-Class TvZ player known for his astonishing ability to micro marines...which is, as you mentioned, Boxer had already done three hundred times over. So, he hardly brought anything new to the table, had virtually no staying power, and to be honest, faded away the moment he won his OSL.


I would like to see a reply to this post. How is Casy a hero? He was never a dominant player during a longer period of time and he didn't revolutionize the game in any way.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 18 2009 05:51 GMT
#187
This has really discouraged me from writing in the future. I hope that my possible upcoming appreciative articles of nal.rA and UpMagiC don't turn into DURRRR BISU IS BETTER HOW CAN YOU SAY nal.rA is the best?

Thanks to those who were constructive and respectful with their criticism

RIP Aaliyah
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
October 18 2009 06:08 GMT
#188
Well, you can't say most of the reactions were unexpected. I like to read your articles. They get better.
I doubt anyone will be anything but kind for your two future pieces.
Jaedong
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 06:14:48
October 18 2009 06:11 GMT
#189
I'd wager Jaedong has brought more people to zerg, and influenced iccup level play more than any player in the world. That alone makes him a SC "hero" for thousands of people around the world. That's a standard I can agree with and is sufficient to say he IS a hero, even by your own standards.

It's obvious you won't change your article (no reason you should really), but I feel a lot of people are justified in not only their disagreement but counter-arguments.

Edit: Oh, and if you're writing an article about Upmagic i'd love to read it. Just be sure to say NOTHING but positive things ok?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 18 2009 06:19 GMT
#190
I just really feel that everyone missed the point of the article and I am annoyed that everyone focused on Jaedongs role which was a really minute part of it.

I didn't realize how die-hard the jaedong fans were.
RIP Aaliyah
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 18 2009 06:28 GMT
#191
On October 18 2009 15:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I just really feel that everyone missed the point of the article and I am annoyed that everyone focused on Jaedongs role which was a really minute part of it.

I didn't realize how die-hard the jaedong fans were.

You don't get that type die-hard fans if you're not a hero.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 18 2009 06:45 GMT
#192
On October 18 2009 15:28 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2009 15:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I just really feel that everyone missed the point of the article and I am annoyed that everyone focused on Jaedongs role which was a really minute part of it.

I didn't realize how die-hard the jaedong fans were.

You don't get that type die-hard fans if you're not a hero.


I'm a die hard UpMagiC fan and he's nowhere near that status.
RIP Aaliyah
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
October 18 2009 06:50 GMT
#193
Ridiculously well-done post.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9105 Posts
October 18 2009 06:56 GMT
#194
I was really surprised to see Casy listed with the rest of the "heroes." Admittedly I am not nearly as hard core into the pro scene as much of TL is but I didn't realize he was ever that dominant and hailed as such a pimp.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 18 2009 06:58 GMT
#195
I'm not gonna lie, Casy isn't really a hero I just wanted to call attention to my favorite Plexa blog. Sigh, I'll remove him.
RIP Aaliyah
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
October 18 2009 07:03 GMT
#196
I wish UpMagic would take it to the next level. His build against Luxury really felt like old school starcraft.
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
October 18 2009 07:08 GMT
#197
On October 18 2009 15:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm not gonna lie, Casy isn't really a hero I just wanted to call attention to my favorite Plexa blog. Sigh, I'll remove him.
The following message isn't meant to insult you:

Yeah, I think we all knew that was personal bias. Perfectly understandable.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 18 2009 07:10 GMT
#198
On October 18 2009 16:08 domane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2009 15:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm not gonna lie, Casy isn't really a hero I just wanted to call attention to my favorite Plexa blog. Sigh, I'll remove him.
The following message isn't meant to insult you:

Yeah, I think we all knew that was personal bias. Perfectly understandable.


Yep.
RIP Aaliyah
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
October 18 2009 07:22 GMT
#199
Oh damn, nice article DrH

love reads like these
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 18 2009 07:27 GMT
#200
On October 18 2009 15:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I just really feel that everyone missed the point of the article and I am annoyed that everyone focused on Jaedongs role which was a really minute part of it.

I didn't realize how die-hard the jaedong fans were.


You essentially listed a bunch of "Greats" of starcraft and said Jaedong didn't qualify. It's hard to see how that wouldn't bring backlash.
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