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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Bisu is my least favorite player. I also hate Reach. I don't want to argue with anyone in this thread about Jaedong because some people will see him as a hero, others won't. However if you really compare the impact he's had on the scene to nal.rA, BoxeR, NaDa, or YellOw, it doesn't stack up. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On October 11 2009 08:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I would again like to point out that the point of this article was not to objectify heroism or anything. It is purely my opinion and how I see the past, present, and future of the scene. A lot of people feel Jaedong is Bonjwa, Jaedong has a lot of fans here on TL and I also love Jaedong. Bisu is my least favorite player. I also hate Reach. I don't want to argue with anyone in this thread about Jaedong because some people will see him as a hero, others won't. However if you really compare the impact he's had on the scene to nal.rA, BoxeR, NaDa, or YellOw, it doesn't stack up. I still think you are missing the argument here. No, JD has not yet had the impact that Boxer, Nada or YellOw have. If you are going to include Bisu, then you should absolutely include Jaedong. If you don't then, obviously, your article is going to draw controversy. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 11 2009 08:48 keV. wrote: I still think you are missing the argument here. No, JD has not yet had the impact that Boxer, Nada or YellOw have. If you are going to include Bisu, then you should absolutely include Jaedong. If you don't then, obviously, your article is going to draw controversy. Like I said, I feel that Jaedong is almost there but not quite. I feel Bisu had that status. I was fully aware and even said to myself "this might upset Jaedong fans". But I'm not going to change my article to satisfy other peoples opinions. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
a Michael Jordon | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 11 2009 08:50 SilverSkyLark wrote: typo over... Thanks. Corrected. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
We're in the midst of Jaedong's dominance. I know this has been stated before, but the Jaedong - Fantasy rivalry is made of the stuff of heroism. Jaedong's shocking turn around in one finals, and bouncing back to thoroughly dismantle Fantasy after his losses in the Proleague grand finals (after the usual courtesy game 1). He caps it off with by slaughtering Yarnc like the lamb he was to take home only the third Golden Mouse ever. If you're going to call Casy and Bisu heroes. Heck, Jaedong's period of dominance blows Yellow's painful reign of silver mining clear out of the water. Basically the article is coming off as blind admiration of the past in ignorance of the presence, using some bizarre metric of the past being better to justify some distaste for Jaedong. What I think you forget the most is how we have the luxury of looking to past players and knowing they didn't lose the important games. During the time, it was just as possible for a relative no name to come from nowhere and knock any of the Bonjwas off their throne. If Jaedong wins the OSL this year, people are going to look back a few years and see this whole period as one long story of his domination. Even if now, he won the golden mouse. Your excuse of Jaedong lacking some nebulous definition of 'charisma' is lame at best | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Your perspective is different and thats fine, although I can't disagree with statistics and obviously Jaedong is a very dominant player. I am a jaedong fan, he is one of my favorite players ever. I don't dislike him. I'm not using this article as a front for hating Jaedong. He isn't a bonjwa and he isn't to me a hero. The latter point is utterly and massively subjective, i say so in my article, and i say so later. This is meant to be an entertaining read not a thesis paper about how much Jaedong sucks. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On October 11 2009 08:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Like I said, I feel that Jaedong is almost there but not quite. I feel Bisu had that status. I was fully aware and even said to myself "this might upset Jaedong fans". But I'm not going to change my article to satisfy other peoples opinions. Obviously, its retarded for you to even think that someone wants you to change your article. That doesn't mean its not in my, or any other reader's, right to ensure that our comments try and strip away the articles "opinion-facts" into just being an opinion. You can say its your opinion all you want, but it doesn't read that way and you know it... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 11 2009 09:00 keV. wrote: Obviously, its retarded for you to even think that someone wants you to change your article. That doesn't mean its not in my, or any other reader's, right to ensure that our comments try and strip away the articles "opinion-facts" into just being an opinion. You can say its your opinion all you want, but it doesn't read that way and you know it... Do you want me to apologize or something? Any editorial is filled with opinion mixed with facts. If you can't distinguish the opinions I'm sorry. It would be "retarded" to even attempt to "prove" Jaedong isn't a "hero." It is the readers responsibility to distinguish between what is subjective and objective in the context of the article. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On October 11 2009 09:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do you want me to apologize or something? Any editorial is filled with opinion mixed with facts. If you can't distinguish the opinions I'm sorry. It would be "retarded" to even attempt to "prove" Jaedong isn't a "hero." It is the readers responsibility to distinguish between what is subjective and objective in the context of the article. Yea, and then post the distinctions here. (I just said that) | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 11 2009 09:06 keV. wrote: Yea, and then post the distinctions here. (I just said that) Well, then you're going to be very disappointed as I refuse to argue my subjective definition of a relative term concerning korean teenagers. You literally want me to apologize for not including Jaedong in a subjective echelon of progamers and then post objective distinctions as to why Jaedong does not have subjective and unquantifiable characteristics that some other players do? | ||
Waxangel
United States33075 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 11 2009 09:12 Waxangel wrote: worth chiming in to say Only Until Midnight is indeed, the best TLFE ever written. Honesttea is the SlayerS_BoxeR of BroodWar writing. god he's so good i actually would put The Storm Zerg in that tier. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On October 11 2009 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well, then you're going to be very disappointed as I refuse to argue my subjective definition of a relative term concerning korean teenagers. You literally want me to apologize for not including Jaedong in a subjective echelon of progamers and then post objective distinctions as to why Jaedong does not have subjective and unquantifiable characteristics that some other players do? No, you are misreading what I said. In a conversation it would read: You - "It is the readers responsibility to distinguish between what is subjective and objective in the context of the article." Me - "Yes and then they can post the distinctions here" I wasn't answering your dumb sarcastic question. I'm saying that given the context of the article and the way it was written. It is expected to draw this kind of discussion. You don't have to prove anything, but I can certainly say why I think you are wrong. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
So my apologies. | ||
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
I'm not really sure what I want from you, as obviously asking you to change either your opinion or the article would be absurd. I guess it just strikes me deep to think of Jaedong's defining moments and have somebody not see them as heroic, when it is as plain as day to me that they fit any definition you could possibly give to the word | ||
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barbahaba0
Israel226 Posts
but can't seem to agree on the notion of jaedong not being a hero hell the article was so well written i was almost convinced than remembered the series between fantasy and jaedong coming from 2-0 to 3-2.... i'm sorry but i cant agree to what u wrote not here to argue just saying whats on my mind and thanking u for a great write up | ||
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theobsessed1
United States576 Posts
Very nice writeup imo~ | ||
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