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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
August 09 2009 06:14 GMT
#21
Yeah I'm from the US.

OK, currently, it is August 9th. Let's say I research for a week, and order sometime next weekend. Approximately how long will parts take to get here with the cheapest shipping or whatever? Can I have my computer built by the end of August comfortably or not?
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armed_
Profile Joined November 2008
Canada443 Posts
August 09 2009 06:26 GMT
#22
On August 09 2009 12:55 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I've read this statistic like 50 times online but I built my entire computer from online and dodged it all. Here it is anyways: 25% of all online parts do not work and need to be RMA'd.

Unsurprisingly considering the source, this is total bullshit.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
August 09 2009 06:36 GMT
#23
If you are using Newegg, you can comfortably get your comp built by the end of August. I just built my first comp recently, the parts all came within a week (it felt longer because a number of them were purchased on weekend due to weekend deals). Newegg's cheapest shipping is 3day UPS, though keep in mind that's a pretty hefty price tag, so when you order try to look for free shipping. Depending on the stuff (cough case cough) you can be shaving off a lot of money. Also, look for combo deals (newegg). I didn't pay too much attention to that initially when I choose my parts, but when I went back to it while homing the final build, combo allowed me to squeeze out a bit more bang for the buck.

About the actual building of comp, I had no experience before, so I had a friend's assistance, though his experience was limited too. We ended up putting together an i7 with customer heatsink/cooler in about 3~4 hours. It isn't too bad if you did your homework beforehand, I kind of wish I took the time to read up on thermal compound application and such better though, reinstalling the heatsink when I ran into temperature issues while OCing was a pain. OC is by far the most annoying part though, I've been chipping away at it steadily (but slowly) for the first time ever, rather frustrating, but overall wasn't too bad. So yeah, you should be fine if you order by next weekend, though I'd recommend taking your time some to solidify your budget and deadlines if you have a tight wallet.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
August 09 2009 08:30 GMT
#24
I've never had a problem with installing CPUs. The heatsink and FANS are a pain in the ass if you use an after-market product as case, heat sink and fans can physically not fit into each other.

I have found that AMD stuff are a generally a little easier compare to intel ones.

So the lesson is; if you are unsure, buy a good and spacious tower case. I've made the mistake of buying a micro atx case when I started out and spend ages and money trying fit different shits into it.
Rillanon.au
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-10 00:46:25
August 10 2009 00:44 GMT
#25
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=11489032

Here's a build that mahini (you're awesome, thanks <3) put together for me really quickly as a guide/rough draft sort of thing. (I kinda just went "ooh shiny" at most of the stuff. I feel so clueless ) He told me to check this with other people as I start researching myself, so yeah, anyone have anything to say about any of these parts/have personal experience/suggestions for something better/cheaper/etc.?

Budget: ~$1000
Main goals: SCII, Diablo 3, run Windows 7, and possibly upgrade in the next few years if needed.

(PS researching computer parts is hard work @_@)
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-10 04:01:54
August 10 2009 04:01 GMT
#26
Looks good, solid parts. That system is considerably more capable than what you need for you "main goals" - you should be OK.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
AtlaS
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1001 Posts
August 10 2009 04:15 GMT
#27
On August 09 2009 12:55 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I've read this statistic like 50 times online but I built my entire computer from online and dodged it all. Here it is anyways: 25% of all online parts do not work and need to be RMA'd. The only exception to this is my mobo came with the south bridge heat sink un fastened and it was quite a bitch to get back on.

Another somewhat technical tip is that when installing the CPU into a MOBO it is freaking scary, it makes ridiculous crunch and requires a great deal of force to clamp down. (even when you check and recheck that it is in the correct position).

Protip, use newegg.com for most/all purchases, I found most of the shit cheaper on there. But I dunno if you are from USA.

I've done 6 full builds for me/brother/friends and I used newegg for all of them. Still have not gotten a dead on arrival. So +1 on the newegg. Use it if you're in the states.
I don't have mono anymore. Woooo!
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
August 10 2009 06:25 GMT
#28
As an option you can choose to drop to a Q6600 + P45/X48 Mobo + DDR2 and with the money you save get an aftermarket cpu cooler. Not only will your hardware run cooler/quieter but it gives you significant headroom to overclock with, and the q6600 is a ridiculous overclocker. On the other hand it is not quite as good and it isn't futureproof. IMO i7 isn't a huge upgrade over Core2 and unless you want to run Crossfire its not really worth it. Theres a ton of threads online comparing the i7 920 to the Q6600 so if you want, you can do your own research.

The Freezer 7 Pro is a popular heatsink due to its price/performance : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134

If you want the top of the line heatsink then go for a Thermalright Ultra Extreme (TRUE). For some reason its discontinued on Newegg though =/.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-10 06:34:15
August 10 2009 06:34 GMT
#29
q6600 is built on a a way older architecture. the core i7 at stock probably still performs better than the q6600 at maximum overclock and will run cooler while doing it. not to mention people have overclocked the i7 920 past 3.2ghz. i wish people would stop recommending the q6600, it was a great processor back in the day and when 45nm quads were still new it was a huge bargain, but not so much anymore.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-10 06:44:12
August 10 2009 06:44 GMT
#30
I'm reading the reviews for the recommended motherboard ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128375 ) and I'm starting to get paranoid about all the people getting duds on this...can someone shed some light on this? Should I look into a different motherboard?
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mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
August 10 2009 06:53 GMT
#31
hm. it looks like a lot of the socket 1366 boards have similar problems. i don't know if it's a common issue but i wouldn't be too concerned about it. newegg usually has superb customer service so you can rma it within 30 days if it has problems or just use the manufacturers warranty. of course, this wouldn't be the optimal situation but i don't think changing boards would do much but raise the price.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
August 10 2009 07:16 GMT
#32
On August 10 2009 15:34 mahnini wrote:
q6600 is built on a a way older architecture. the core i7 at stock probably still performs better than the q6600 at maximum overclock and will run cooler while doing it. not to mention people have overclocked the i7 920 past 3.2ghz. i wish people would stop recommending the q6600, it was a great processor back in the day and when 45nm quads were still new it was a huge bargain, but not so much anymore.


Yes it is a much older architecture, but if you are purely gaming on this pc the new architecture doesn't offer much. Most new games are so gpu bound that an increase in processor speed does not result in an equivalent increase in fps. At best, i7 gives about a 10% increase in fps and at worst, equivalent frames. For a pure gaming pc, the only reason to go i7 is to go crossfire. If it were a PC for video editing or hardcore number crunching I would go with Nehalem because it has so much bandwidth but for gaming applications the benefit isn't there. With regards to the price differential, it isn't as large as it was half a year ago but you can still save ~$150-250 going with a Core2 setup over i7. All I'm saying is that there are options out there and that buying the best and newest isn't always the most cost efficient.

On August 10 2009 15:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I'm reading the reviews for the recommended motherboard ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128375 ) and I'm starting to get paranoid about all the people getting duds on this...can someone shed some light on this? Should I look into a different motherboard?


It looks to me that other x58 boards in your price range all have about 10% DoA =/. Take solace in the fact that Newegg's RMA policy is incredibly easy, if anything is wrong with your board just ship it back to Newegg and you can either get a refund or an exchange in just a few days.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-10 07:25:06
August 10 2009 07:22 GMT
#33
if we're talking about pure gaming he can have a q9550 for $20 more than the q6600 or a phenom x3 720 for $100 cheaper than the q66 and still have an upgradable platform. the q66 simply isnt a viable choice anymore.

a core2 setup might be $200 cheaper but by Q1 next year it's effectively a dead platform. buying it now is a terrible choice.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
August 10 2009 08:58 GMT
#34
On August 10 2009 16:22 mahnini wrote:
if we're talking about pure gaming he can have a q9550 for $20 more than the q6600 or a phenom x3 720 for $100 cheaper than the q66 and still have an upgradable platform. the q66 simply isnt a viable choice anymore.

a core2 setup might be $200 cheaper but by Q1 next year it's effectively a dead platform. buying it now is a terrible choice.


Wow, had no idea the Q6600 was still $200 -_-. Yeah, in that case a Q9550 would make much more sense.

And there's nothing wrong with a dead platform if you don't upgrade constantly. If you upgrade every 3 years or so you're going to replace most everything anyways. Even if the socket is the same (which it probably wont be) you're going to want a new chipset at that point. I can see how you'd want the newest platform if you plan to get parts every year or so but its pretty expensive for minimal benefit.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
August 11 2009 00:22 GMT
#35
OK I'm just looking at stuff to cut down on costs right now, everything looks good and as long as they all fit with each other, I'm fine.

For the power supply, I was looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.218100, a combo with the processor. Saves money yo!

I was considering changing the graphics card to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102801, $10 more dollars, but it would appear that the reviews are better or something, I dunno.

And if I see a cheaper harddrive when ordering (daily special or something?), as long as it's same size, should I just go for it if I see it didn't blow up on anyone in the reviews? An example right now would be http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145233&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-22-145-233-_-Product if I bought today.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
August 11 2009 01:00 GMT
#36
Two of your links are dead :p
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-11 01:10:17
August 11 2009 01:09 GMT
#37
Sad D:

Screw it, can I just take the exact stuff mahini laid out for me and use it lol?
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
August 11 2009 01:23 GMT
#38
of course
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
August 11 2009 01:46 GMT
#39
I'd definitely recommend building your first computer with an experienced friend. Even though it's pretty easy to put the parts together, you'll appreciate the peace of mind of having someone else there to help. Otherwise, you'll spend 3-4 hours worrying that you're screwing something up and going to destroy a few hundred dollars worth of parts. Plus, it helps to have someone else to troubleshoot because 90% of the time your computer isn't going to turn on the first time you try (PSU set on wrong voltage, RAM not seated properly, jumpers hooked up wrong, etc.). And yes, you probably will hate life, yourself, and computers during the process, especially if you cut yourself on some sharp edges, drop a screw behind the motherboard, or something like that.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
August 11 2009 01:53 GMT
#40
might want to looks for an aftermarket heatsink fan. if it's anything like the c2d coolers it's going to be loud as butt.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
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