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Aqo[il]
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Israel183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-13 08:42:49
July 13 2009 08:39 GMT
#1
Some people play to win, some people play for fun. I always want to consider myself as one of the latter, and I believe some playstyles are more fun than others.
What's fun? For me, trying to win is fun. The winning part itself isn't as important. If I tried my best to win and lost, I still had fun that game.

My favorite mu is ZvZ. I hosted a game on Bluestorm, and a player joins, instantly picks T. But then he switches to Z, and tells me he's Z. So he's a racepicker, and he prefers ZvZ over TvZ. Awesome, I like this guy already. <3

We played a 6 minute long ZvZ (5:50 or so) and I have to say that I had about 4x more fun this game as I would've had in a 30min long passive macroish ZvT mech. Obviously T can go bunker->vult->2port->bio->drops&BC and it's way more fun, but nevertheless, it's cool to see that some people play out different than others (how many ZvZ racepickers do you know? usually it's the other way around lol).

Yeah that's it. Shitty blog heh. Just wanted to rant about all the passive players I've been seeing lately who rely solely on mechanic ability to win games. If you beat me by doing drop play, abusing attack timings to maximum efficiency, nice micro control of your units, that's totally cool and I'd love to play you more.

But if you try to win just by macroing harder...
...why do you play this game?

*****
Reavers. Lurkers. Vultures. Defilers. Corsairs. Vessels. Why did they remove all the cool units from SC2...?
theobsessed1
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States576 Posts
July 13 2009 08:42 GMT
#2
It's not really just one or the other anymore, like oldschool micro vs nowadays macro. SC has developed enough that players require a good composition of both to win. Of course creative micro-oriented plays are indeed more fun, but winning is more fun than losing in general.

Idk what you mean by TvZ being a passive macro game because as far as I know, TvZ is one of the most exciting, micro-oriented matchups (at least for T). TvT on the other hand can get kind of passive and boring, but the recent article on XellOs's influence in TvT changed my perspective as well.
정명훈 화이팅!~
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-13 08:44:59
July 13 2009 08:44 GMT
#3
On July 13 2009 17:39 Aqo[il] wrote:
But if you try to win just by macroing harder...
...why do you play this game?

Isn't that sort of hypocritical? I'm assuming you want others to appreciate that you love micro-intensive, low-eco games yet you can't accept that some would rather play epic macro games?

I happen to be quite the opposite of you. I generally dislike it when people play cheesy or use different tactics. Although I really, really enjoy watching it, I don't like being the "victim" of it.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Aqo[il]
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Israel183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-13 08:50:34
July 13 2009 08:44 GMT
#4
I did not imply macro is not fun and micro is fun. It's a common misconception. I don't think more micro makes a game more fun.
What I consider fun is the decision making part of the game. I also mentioned specifically the mech style that some people use lately, where you just crawl out slowly with goliath/tank. From the Z side, you don't need to make a lot of decisions against this, you basically time your expansions and drones and that's it. It's not -fun-.

Look in the replays section for Mio TvP. He didn't have the best micro ever, like at some moments he had great micro and in others he lost units in really non cost-efficient battles. Yet the entire gamestyle was very fun. He was constantly in his opponent's face, constantly forcing them to be aware of everything on the entire map. This is way more fun than just focusing on one thing that basically comes down to -do X to counter Y- which stems from other sorts of gamestyles.

In ZvZ, you have to make decisions all the time. Even making a drone or 2 lings can be a game deciding factor. That's why I consider it fun. ;p
Reavers. Lurkers. Vultures. Defilers. Corsairs. Vessels. Why did they remove all the cool units from SC2...?
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2298 Posts
July 13 2009 08:52 GMT
#5
I like playing ZvZ too. whats ur rank? go 1v1 zvz?
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
Aqo[il]
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Israel183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-13 08:55:02
July 13 2009 08:54 GMT
#6
I'm only C ;-; come to op swbk
Reavers. Lurkers. Vultures. Defilers. Corsairs. Vessels. Why did they remove all the cool units from SC2...?
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2298 Posts
July 13 2009 09:01 GMT
#7
omw!
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
July 13 2009 09:04 GMT
#8
ZvZ gogog host resp asap imo
No no no no its not mine!
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
July 13 2009 09:13 GMT
#9
Some people enjoy a different playstyle than you, they can still be playing the game for fun.
BW forever || Thall
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
July 13 2009 09:19 GMT
#10
...
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
zzzzsleepyhead
Profile Joined January 2009
United States103 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-13 09:35:15
July 13 2009 09:30 GMT
#11
Wierd, am I the only one who finds macro to be really fun?? I love to macro harder to have a bigger army!! Sauron zerg is so satisfying for me >.
jello24
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada327 Posts
July 13 2009 09:31 GMT
#12
i play the game for the love of COMPSTOMPING!!!

against humans, however, is not very fun for me... unless against my buddies which make trashtalking extremely fun
just lurking around...
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
July 13 2009 10:17 GMT
#13
Fun = playing one gate or two gates PvZ
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
July 13 2009 10:19 GMT
#14
If I was any good at T, I would TvT in a heartbeat. It's just too damn fun.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6185 Posts
July 13 2009 10:40 GMT
#15
On July 13 2009 19:19 d3_crescentia wrote:
If I was any good at T, I would TvT in a heartbeat. It's just too damn fun.

Agree, TvT is the matchup I have the more fun to play.
n_n
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
July 13 2009 10:48 GMT
#16
I always play for fun. It's fun to improve. So sometimes I play standard, decision-less, out muscle your opponent, macro games.
No I'm never serious.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
July 13 2009 10:57 GMT
#17
On July 13 2009 19:17 Boblion wrote:
Fun = playing one gate or two gates PvZ

Absolutely. Several minutes of intense Zealot/Probe vs. Zergling/Sunken >> memorizing simcity and trying to sneak a probe around so you don't get all-in'd.
My strategy is to fork people.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-13 11:31:20
July 13 2009 11:04 GMT
#18
because these people are trying to improve their mechanics
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
mcgriddle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States253 Posts
July 13 2009 11:25 GMT
#19
sad to say- I play to win

I watch vods for fun... playing makes me want to choke a hobo.
Reason obeys itself....and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
July 13 2009 11:31 GMT
#20
On July 13 2009 20:25 mcgriddle wrote:
sad to say- I play to win

I watch vods for fun... playing makes me want to choke a hobo.

whats so bad about playing to win
winning is fun so isnt this playing for fun?
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
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