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LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
July 09 2009 05:10 GMT
#1
Sometimes happens that a favorite player loss against the non-favorite player..but yesterday something really absurd happens..

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Kwanro > Leta
ZerO > Bisu
type-b > BackHo
Yellow[ArnC] >JaeDong


What is happening?

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BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
July 09 2009 05:12 GMT
#2
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lol @ Bisu and JD hahahhaha
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
July 09 2009 05:16 GMT
#3
Jaedong's loss is pretty easy to explain if you consider its effect on Flash's OSL Ro8 hopes.

ZerO is easily capable of S-class ZvP and he brought it out vs. Bisu (who he's now beaten soundly 3x in his career). Some special tactics didn't hurt much either

(I don't consider either of these two games huge upsets.)
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epicdoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States489 Posts
July 09 2009 05:17 GMT
#4
Lets see...

+ Show Spoiler +

Leta cheesed
Bisu is slumping
PvZ is backho's worse matchup
Yellow got lucky (seriously, after the game I couldn't tell if Yellow lost or won I think he was surprised too)


writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
July 09 2009 05:19 GMT
#5
WTF how is bisu slumping?
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
July 09 2009 05:26 GMT
#6
I hate zero so much, but I got to say, that was a pimp game.
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
July 09 2009 05:31 GMT
#7
lol
JD can't win every single ZvZ he plays, its just not gonna happen. And since when is Bisu slumping jeez? Top players are allowed to drop a couple games here and there -.-;;
Heaven_n
Profile Joined April 2009
Mexico170 Posts
July 09 2009 05:35 GMT
#8
On July 09 2009 14:10 LuDwig- wrote:
Sometimes happens that a favorite player loss against the non-favorite player..but yesterday something really absurd happens..

+ Show Spoiler +

Kwanro > Leta
ZerO > Bisu
type-b > BackHo
Yellow[ArnC] >JaeDong


What is happening?



I had the same exact thought lol
Savior: I will destroy everyone in 2009 if thats ok with u thanks
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 09 2009 05:36 GMT
#9
ZERGS!
POGGERS
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
July 09 2009 05:43 GMT
#10
On July 09 2009 14:16 JWD wrote:
Jaedong's loss is pretty easy to explain if you consider its effect on Flash's OSL Ro8 hopes.

Everyone is saying this. I don't see it. Jaedong has never been one to shy away from the more difficult opponent/lose games intentionally.
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ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
July 09 2009 05:49 GMT
#11
too much practice xD
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 09 2009 05:52 GMT
#12
zero's zvp vs bisu was so cool
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
July 09 2009 05:55 GMT
#13
On July 09 2009 14:43 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 14:16 JWD wrote:
Jaedong's loss is pretty easy to explain if you consider its effect on Flash's OSL Ro8 hopes.

Everyone is saying this. I don't see it. Jaedong has never been one to shy away from the more difficult opponent/lose games intentionally.

That and now he's in a tie-breaker. :/
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
July 09 2009 05:57 GMT
#14
god i hate zero so much, i'm glad leta lost though
Least favorite progamers: Leta, Zero, Mind, Shine, free, really <-- newly added
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
July 09 2009 06:04 GMT
#15
I just cast all these games and yeah... you were as surprised as I was. But what an exciting set of games... like seriously. Most entertaining stuff I've seen in a LONG time.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
July 09 2009 06:28 GMT
#16
On July 09 2009 14:43 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 14:16 JWD wrote:
Jaedong's loss is pretty easy to explain if you consider its effect on Flash's OSL Ro8 hopes.

Everyone is saying this. I don't see it. Jaedong has never been one to shy away from the more difficult opponent/lose games intentionally.

I don't understand this at all either

First JD fans say Flash will be easy pickings because his ZvT is terrible and not S-Class
But now they say JD will drop a game because Flash is a threat so JD dropped on purpose

seriously guys
dats racist
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 09 2009 06:42 GMT
#17
[image loading]

Poll: Who are more blind?
(Vote): Bisu fanboys
(Vote): Jaedong fanboys

POGGERS
Smix *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States4549 Posts
July 09 2009 06:43 GMT
#18
Savior fanboys
TranslatorBe an Optimist Prime, Not a Negatron // twitter @smixity
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 09 2009 06:46 GMT
#19
Your poll indicates that more JD fanboys saw it.
Jaedong
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
July 09 2009 06:47 GMT
#20
leta's game didn't matter, he was already through the round and kwanro was already out

It's supposed to be automatic but actually you have to press this button.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
July 09 2009 06:50 GMT
#21
On July 09 2009 15:28 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 14:43 p4NDemik wrote:
On July 09 2009 14:16 JWD wrote:
Jaedong's loss is pretty easy to explain if you consider its effect on Flash's OSL Ro8 hopes.

Everyone is saying this. I don't see it. Jaedong has never been one to shy away from the more difficult opponent/lose games intentionally.

I don't understand this at all either

First JD fans say Flash will be easy pickings because his ZvT is terrible and not S-Class
But now they say JD will drop a game because Flash is a threat so JD dropped on purpose

seriously guys

Huh, I have seen it way more from non JD fans like JWD.

This almost reminds me of JD vs Lomo. -_-

Anyway, Yarnc goes 12pool with hat in main. JD went 9pool but scouted wrong with ovie while Yarnc scouted right. JD's first few mutas get hit by scourge so he is forced to retreat. Then, it's just 2hat vs 1hat of muta/scourge production plus weakened mutas so JD can't really engage Yarnc or it is suicide. Yarnc also sends some lings to JD's main so if JD engages them then Yarnc's mutas pick off his drones.

I don't understand this "dropping game intentionally" either. JD was just in a really hard place all game that he couldn't come back from. (although he has made miracles many times in zvz before)
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Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
July 09 2009 07:04 GMT
#22
The entire game was practically an uphill fight for JD. He was behind from the very beginning when he sent his Overlord in the wrong direction while Yarnc scouted correctly, then his 9 pool failed to do any damage to Yarnc's 12 pool, then Yarnc got another Hatchery up in his main and his greater production of Mutalisk/Scourge overwhelmed JD.

It was a pure build order loss. If you really think JD would prefer dropping himself to tiebreakers and risk being eliminated to safely advancing 3-0, you should probably get your head checked along with JWD.
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skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 07:07:27
July 09 2009 07:07 GMT
#23
how is it a surprise that backho lost? no one is able to fuck up with more grandeur and consistancy than him.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
July 09 2009 07:07 GMT
#24
On July 09 2009 15:42 konadora wrote:
[image loading]

Poll: Who are more blind?
(Vote): Bisu fanboys
(Vote): Jaedong fanboys


this poll is rigged. just another "which player you like more"-poll.
Murdoink
Profile Joined March 2009
Chile1219 Posts
July 09 2009 07:13 GMT
#25
I got 0/4 in liquibet last night, ouch
SNARF HWAITING
Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 07:28:53
July 09 2009 07:25 GMT
#26
Jaedong's loss is easily explained in that it was complete and utter build order domination by Yarnc. He blind countered Jaedong's build pretty much perfectly, and while yarnc may not be the best ZvZ out there, he's probably top 5, and that's enough to beat even Jaedong with that massive of a build + scouting advantage.

Both of Bisu's losses this OSL have come against people innovating against him. Zero and go.go both payed him a high compliment in my opinion by coming up with and pulling out special shit in the group stages to knock him off. Ok, Zero's isn't that special - I'm sure we've all thought about using Queens to snipe HTs before - but it just hasn't been done in pro games to speak of.

BackHo is fail at PvZ yeah, and Leta's game against Kwanro was totally irrelevant (Kwanro was out and Leta was D1 regardless of the outcome) so he probably didn't both practicing much for it and is focusing on Hite's Proleague games.

Yes, I'd consider all 4 games upsets. None is horrendously surprising or an indication that the world is ending.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
July 09 2009 07:51 GMT
#27
On July 09 2009 15:43 Smix wrote:
Savior fanboys

SO TRUE

I love it when he loses just so his fanboys cry.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
ForSC2
Profile Joined June 2009
United States580 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 07:56:33
July 09 2009 07:56 GMT
#28
On July 09 2009 15:43 Smix wrote:
Savior fanboys

Seriously.

Btw I'm a Savior Fanboy ``
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2883#comic
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
July 09 2009 08:23 GMT
#29
On July 09 2009 15:42 konadora wrote:
[image loading]

Poll: Who are more blind?
(Vote): Bisu fanboys
(Vote): Jaedong fanboys



are you insinuating that one type of fanboy is less blind than the other? because, no
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Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
July 09 2009 09:12 GMT
#30
On July 09 2009 14:17 epicdoom wrote:
Lets see...

+ Show Spoiler +

Leta cheesed
Bisu is slumping
PvZ is backho's worse matchup
Yellow got lucky (seriously, after the game I couldn't tell if Yellow lost or won I think he was surprised too)




those are some bad explanations
IRIS FIGHTING!!!
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
July 09 2009 09:56 GMT
#31
I totally picked type b for my LB Hi five?
< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
July 09 2009 10:02 GMT
#32
On July 09 2009 14:55 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 14:43 p4NDemik wrote:
On July 09 2009 14:16 JWD wrote:
Jaedong's loss is pretty easy to explain if you consider its effect on Flash's OSL Ro8 hopes.

Everyone is saying this. I don't see it. Jaedong has never been one to shy away from the more difficult opponent/lose games intentionally.

That and now he's in a tie-breaker. :/


Yeah, guys saying he dropped it on purpose are just plain dumb. I mean, JD is never afraid to meet anyone, I mean he did pick effort for his group, and as you say, he is now in a tiebreaker, instead of just moving on and have less games (which would make sense since he is constantly talking about he's tired of having so many games to play).
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Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
July 09 2009 10:15 GMT
#33
type b was always a favorite and leta has always failed

can't explain the other two

2/4 lb ftw?
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
July 09 2009 11:53 GMT
#34
On July 09 2009 15:46 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Your poll indicates that more JD fanboys saw it.

Bisu's fanboys dont really care anymore believe me
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 09 2009 12:08 GMT
#35
Jaedong has dropped games in the Ro16 before in really sloppy fashion (im talking about vs GGplay from the all zerg group in Batoo, it was a game that didn't matter). I think he threw the game tbh =/
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FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
July 09 2009 12:48 GMT
#36
On July 09 2009 15:42 konadora wrote:
[image loading]

Poll: Who are more blind?
(Vote): Bisu fanboys
(Vote): Jaedong fanboys


Both =P
Storm Zerg fans rulz

The guys cannot lose? they dont have 100% you know?
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 09 2009 13:25 GMT
#37
On July 09 2009 16:13 Murdoink wrote:
I got 0/4 in liquibet last night, ouch


Yeah haha, me too man.
All the favorites lost.

I can't understand why Leta thought going for a bunker rush would be a good idea. So far people who have tried bunker rushes are like 0-5 or something ridiculous in the individual leagues. I'm guessing he thought Kwanro would have practiced for 2port wraith and would just use the same strat as Jaedong to smash him but he didn't take Kwanro's aggressiveness into account.

jaedong's loss was obvious as to why he threw it away and zero is way better than people think.
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