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History of GL, HF, and GG?

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Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4342 Posts
June 28 2009 23:43 GMT
#1
Was this something that started with StarCraft or did it start back in the Warcraft 2 Kali days? I'm pretty sure it started on the Kali server but my memory is fuzzy. I was like 12 at the time...

Anybody care to enlighten me?

So wait? I'm bad? =(
Steelflight-Rx
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1389 Posts
June 28 2009 23:44 GMT
#2
whats Kali?
yubee wrote: you know? it's a great night you should all smile no matter what harddships, because grass grows and the sky is blue and it's a good life.
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
June 28 2009 23:46 GMT
#3
The "gl hf" pregame stuff definitely started back in War2. I remember typing "gl hf" over Kali.

I'm not sure about "gg" though, that might be a Starcraft thing.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 28 2009 23:48 GMT
#4
On June 29 2009 08:44 Steelflight-Rx wrote:
whats Kali?
Kali was the warcraft 2 ladder WAYYYY back in the day wasn't it?
AmorVincitOmnia
Profile Joined March 2005
Kenya3846 Posts
June 28 2009 23:50 GMT
#5
not just a warcraft ladder, many games were played on it.

but yeah warcraft was one of the more popular ones.
r.i.p. Bud Shank May 27, 1926 - April 2, 2009
Hammy
Profile Joined January 2009
France828 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-29 00:00:09
June 28 2009 23:57 GMT
#6
On June 29 2009 08:48 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2009 08:44 Steelflight-Rx wrote:
whats Kali?
Kali was the warcraft 2 ladder WAYYYY back in the day wasn't it?

Yup, before Bnet. It was quite a pain actually (or maybe it only seemed to be annoying because I was 10...). Blizzard released a War2 Bnet edition after Wc2:ToD anyways.

But concerning the OP... I don't think they were that old. I didn't play much on Kali, but I don't remember seeing those (not much help sorry^^ I can't remember much either...). Could this stuff have started with the WC2 Bnet edition? Or maybe it didn't even start on a blizzard game (C&C? RA?). Dunno
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4342 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-29 00:03:20
June 28 2009 23:58 GMT
#7
On June 29 2009 08:48 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2009 08:44 Steelflight-Rx wrote:
whats Kali?
Kali was the warcraft 2 ladder WAYYYY back in the day wasn't it?


WarCraft 2 had no online capability other then directly connecting modem to modem. *WHICH WAS EXPENSIVE* Kali was created as an artificial LAN type thing. Think Hamachi. Only you had to pay to play on the Kali server. (I think? Again, my memory fails me.) Not to mention you had to pay your own phone bill. Hahaha.

That's why B.net was sooooooooo HUGE. OMG? Play SC online for free? It was a HUGE hook for me. (Not to mention I was already excited for it.) You still had to pay your own phone bill but by this time internet startup companies were all the rage and it was easy to abuse each company by using their 1 month free before moving on to another company. That's why so many companies failed was because they failed to have userbase that actually paid. Haha.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
Breavman
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden598 Posts
June 29 2009 00:00 GMT
#8
I think I remember when playing Starcraft original back in 98-99 it was common to say just gg before the game started, and gl hf felt like an innovation when it later took over. Nowadays when I say gg before the game, pretty often the opponent will be upset like I'm trying to be arrogant and suggest the game is over before it started.
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
June 29 2009 00:06 GMT
#9
GG after the game has been there for as long as i can remember.
GL HF, came later.

Off topic, do u remember how it went from 2v2 newbies to 2v2 noobs?
Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 29 2009 00:34 GMT
#10
gg has been around since the first multiplayer online game essentially, I was using it way before SC.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
June 29 2009 00:35 GMT
#11
i don't think gg was invented on kali though, my impression always was that it was from super early text based chess and go communities.
It's supposed to be automatic but actually you have to press this button.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4342 Posts
June 29 2009 02:06 GMT
#12
I have no idea. Hence why I am asking!
So wait? I'm bad? =(
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 29 2009 02:15 GMT
#13
On June 29 2009 08:58 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2009 08:48 LuckyFool wrote:
On June 29 2009 08:44 Steelflight-Rx wrote:
whats Kali?
Kali was the warcraft 2 ladder WAYYYY back in the day wasn't it?


WarCraft 2 had no online capability other then directly connecting modem to modem. *WHICH WAS EXPENSIVE* Kali was created as an artificial LAN type thing. Think Hamachi. Only you had to pay to play on the Kali server. (I think? Again, my memory fails me.) Not to mention you had to pay your own phone bill. Hahaha.

That's why B.net was sooooooooo HUGE. OMG? Play SC online for free? It was a HUGE hook for me. (Not to mention I was already excited for it.) You still had to pay your own phone bill but by this time internet startup companies were all the rage and it was easy to abuse each company by using their 1 month free before moving on to another company. That's why so many companies failed was because they failed to have userbase that actually paid. Haha.
Sweet thanks for that! I was a bit too young to remember any of these really early days. I just remember having epic LAN war2 games. Never played it online.
Vedic
Profile Joined March 2008
United States582 Posts
June 29 2009 02:36 GMT
#14
Are you talking about the origin completely, or simply the first use? I would expect the origin to date back to the Doom days.
I tried to commit seppuku, but I accidentally committed bukkake.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4342 Posts
June 29 2009 03:42 GMT
#15
I could see GG being used in the Doom days. I never played it online but I can see it starting there.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
June 29 2009 04:45 GMT
#16
then in UMS maps you get dd ds ka (dont die dont suck kill all)
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 29 2009 04:46 GMT
#17
I think it got started when people wanted to type "good luck" "have fun" and "good game", but were too lazy to actually type it.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Robodude
Profile Joined May 2007
United States52 Posts
June 29 2009 06:17 GMT
#18
I can't say I know the origin but sometimes I'll even say GL HF PP OK? and totally confuse whoever I'm playing with.

http://pp.expectnothing.com/
Niji-z
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States208 Posts
June 29 2009 06:37 GMT
#19
SC was the first game I ever played online, so I don't know about any of that Kali stuff... But I remember THE question back then in 2000 was "asl?". EVERYONE asked it.
Rawr.
closed
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vatican City State491 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-29 06:50:45
June 29 2009 06:49 GMT
#20
I have no idea why do people write gg before the game. I always thought it meant "good game" and is supposed to be written after the game actually happens. Koreans usually do it, so maybe it means something in Korean, or simply they don't know any English.

On June 29 2009 09:06 SirGlinG wrote:
Off topic, do u remember how it went from 2v2 newbies to 2v2 noobs?


I've seen "2v2 newbies" few times on east, ah this brought back the memories. Nowadays everyone is so BM.
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