EPTLategame zerg is bullshit - Page 3
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
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Hypnosis
United States2061 Posts
On June 06 2009 10:09 B1nary wrote: Why is it that T is generally considered to have an advantage over Z? It's really easy to carelessly lose your army to lurkers and just as difficult keeping macro up. Does anyone have an answer better than "it's just the way things work out"? Because Terran turtles and Zerg can gain map control and positioning a bit easier. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On June 06 2009 10:09 B1nary wrote: Why is it that T is generally considered to have an advantage over Z? It's really easy to carelessly lose your army to lurkers and just as difficult keeping macro up. Does anyone have an answer better than "it's just the way things work out"? Also at lower levels, zergs cannot muta micro like they can at the B ranks etc, which puts a bit of a hole in their gameplan, as it allows average terrans to capitalize on that, and be much more aggressive. Also, it's pretty easy to micro against lurkers if you have been doing it for a long time. I find that low to mid level zergs have trouble with macro, and holding their 3rd base early on (I usually kill the 3rd without much problem at the C-/C ranks) which sets their hive timing back quite a bit. Personally I won 95% of my TvZ games at the C-/C ranking but lost close to 80% of the TvP's. It's kinda like how low level terrans have alot of trouble against protoss and their macro abilities etc. Once you get to much higher levels, it balances out quite a bit (damn those amazing muta controllers ! ) | ||
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
1. Kill his 3rd. 2. Drop 7 rines 1 medic anywhere that's unprotected. 3. Irradiate anything that costs gas 4. Run away from dark swarm (Defilers cost gas, irradiate it) 5. Kill any hatcheries you see. 6. Win Honestly, I think my ZvT is better than my ZvP, but i'm the type of person that's TvZ can't win even when maxed, and TvP is a lot better. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On June 06 2009 08:44 Adeny wrote: How about this: You play BW for more than 2 days before you give advice? FYI tanks cost gas. Says the guy to the other guy who tried to help the first guy Man whats wrong with you, be a bit more respectful, there's many people here spending their time writing things that might help you Maybe many of those things dont help you or you already know what they are saying, that doesnt give you the right to bash those people | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On June 06 2009 10:56 7mk wrote: Says the guy to the other guy who tried to help the first guy Man whats wrong with you, be a bit more respectful, there's many people here spending their time writing things that might help you Maybe many of those things dont help you or you already know what they are saying, that doesnt give you the right to bash those people You are right, he should of been alot more mannered when responding. However, he has been asking for REPLAY SPECIFIC advice. He did not ask for general advice, he posted a replay, and asked for help regarding the things he had done in the game. So, I would assume that either you will take the actual time to watch the replay and offer the advice he is looking for, or just don't respond in this thread at all. Whats the point in offering someone something they don't want or are not looking for. If I asked for a glass of water, but instead you gave me an icecube, I would classify your handout as useless. The samething goes for alot of replies here. He is asking for advice concerning his replay, and all he was getting is responses that have nothing to do with helping him I mean, 1 guy bashed him a bit, and then all he told him was to make sure he was upgrading..LOL, he had 3-3 upgrades pretty early in that game, and that was not his problem at all. I can see how he would become frustrated by such a response, as it was purely just a waste of time to both write it, or read it. Either offer the advice he is asking for (WATCH THE REPLAY) , or don't.....it's pretty simple. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
And obviously the problem is how you're playing the match-up. No matter how frustrating it gets, I don't see how you could get pissed off to the point to call late-game Zerg "bullshit". L2micro, L2micro, L2multitask, L2play | ||
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LucasWoJ
United States936 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On June 06 2009 10:09 B1nary wrote: Why is it that T is generally considered to have an advantage over Z? It's really easy to carelessly lose your army to lurkers and just as difficult keeping macro up. Does anyone have an answer better than "it's just the way things work out"? I always thought it's because their main attack units are also the better ranged units, which in the hands of a pro can be exploited frequently. Same for ZvP, hydras > Zealots+dragoons. That's the gist, anyways. | ||
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DeathSpank
United States1029 Posts
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
Sometimes, defilers feel so imba and it makes me cry/pissed off since I can't do anything about it. Normally the opponent will have lurkers which kill my tanks, and most of my M&M forces since I'm not fast enough  | ||
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
Step1: Don't go over your replay. Step2: Post it in the blog section because the thread may get closed or get you banned. + Show Spoiler + haha sry if that was mean.... but seriously man go over your rep if you cannot see what you are doing wrong then check out general strat thread... | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7584 Posts
On June 06 2009 08:30 Adeny wrote: WTF is wrong with goliath mnm? Would you rather see me at 6k minerals? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I am glad I read responses before watching your game. If that is your current level of broodwar understanding, you need to do alot alot more theorycrafting. Btw playing with a bad mouse is bad for your hand eye cordination and wrist. Ask fakesteve how long I've played with a left click that takes 4-5 clicks to select once and sticks. It eventually ruins you for when you get a decent mouse (when I play idra at wcg I got a new mouse for the occasion =) | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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koreasilver
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
Tho I'll agree, Ultralisks can be a bitch. | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
On June 06 2009 16:39 AttackZerg wrote: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I am glad I read responses before watching your game. If that is your current level of broodwar understanding, you need to do alot alot more theorycrafting. Btw playing with a bad mouse is bad for your hand eye cordination and wrist. Ask fakesteve how long I've played with a left click that takes 4-5 clicks to select once and sticks. It eventually ruins you for when you get a decent mouse (when I play idra at wcg I got a new mouse for the occasion =) It's not that my current broodwar understanding is terrible, I just never play mech vs. zerg. What I want to know is, what do you, and all the other people bashing my army mix, propose I use the spare minerals for? I always end up at x000 minerals, 0 gas at some point the few times I try mech. I suppose I could just put down a CC and gas at every expo and hope the zerg's too busy with something else? ._. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On June 06 2009 10:09 B1nary wrote: Why is it that T is generally considered to have an advantage over Z? It's really easy to carelessly lose your army to lurkers and just as difficult keeping macro up. Does anyone have an answer better than "it's just the way things work out"? Whenever a unit or something seems really cheap or imbalanced, I find it's usually an issue in macro/strategy of the player complaining. Like, they just don't have the right units to combat it, or they just don't have enough. If you're a micro focused player like myself, sometimes you can win these unfair battles and fool yourself into thinking it's just normal to have this many units in this situation. But really, it's like complaining "I made 4 dragoons, and he made 6, PvP IS SO IMBALANCED! WHY CAN'T I WIN!" The answer is obviously your build/strategy was bad, or your macro was bad. It's just not as easy to see when the other player has entirely different units. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On June 07 2009 03:41 Adeny wrote: It's not that my current broodwar understanding is terrible, I just never play mech vs. zerg. What I want to know is, what do you, and all the other people bashing my army mix, propose I use the spare minerals for? I always end up at x000 minerals, 0 gas at some point the few times I try mech. I suppose I could just put down a CC and gas at every expo and hope the zerg's too busy with something else? ._. Expansions, so you can get more gas. Not that complicated. If you're going mech and you're finding you're running out of gas before you run out of minerals, you should have got your second or third gas faster. Vulture raids are great too. | ||
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