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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
...Whoa. Can you guys start playing when I'm on iccup? | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
If you think zerg is so easy then go play it.. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
shut up. | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
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Amaroq
United States59 Posts
edit to say that this is my D+ nobody opinion, dont take me as an expert lol | ||
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
On June 06 2009 08:30 Adeny wrote: WTF is wrong with goliath mnm? Would you rather see me at 6k minerals? um get tanks? | ||
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Neon_Monkey
United States270 Posts
On June 06 2009 08:30 Adeny wrote: WTF is wrong with goliath mnm? Would you rather see me at 6k minerals? 120 marines is a pretty decent army. | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
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SoulMarine
United States586 Posts
because goliath wraith mnm is perfectly viable. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
So basically... Learn your timings and to do more damage before they get to hive. | ||
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aznmathfreak
United States148 Posts
On June 06 2009 08:47 SoulMarine wrote: Lol.. one of those people who ask for help, and then they backlash at the responses. because goliath wraith mnm is perfectly viable. It's not really a post asking for advice, it's more like... a whiny post seeking agreement from other people. What he wants to hear is yeah yeah, zerg's so imbalanced, come here and I'll give you a hug. Anyways, I'm a z but maybe I can provide SOME help. Against ultras, upgraded marines is a must. An fully upgraded ultra will rip through mnms if they're not upgraded to at least 2-2. Goliaths... are terrible against ultraling army. Tanks on the other hand, do really nice damage against ultras and against lings the splash is nice for when the swarms get layed down. Pretty much goliaths only work against mutas, or when you have a HUGE ball of it. In which case, you should be learning how to play mech instead. Tanks are also good for when you want to secure the third, they can wear down an army before they arrive at your expo or on certain maps you can tank the cliff to protect your expo. Against defilers, it's all about having some map control. If defilers push into your natural, it's hard to make a come back against it. Therefore, you need to be actively pressuring the zerg late midgame before hive comes out. That way you can get pushed back slowly and not be dead. This also gives you time to irradiate any defilers that come your way. It's really not imbalanced, though at lower levels with terrible macro, the zerg does benefit from the ability to spend all that accumulated resources at once. If you just work on your macro, map control, and expo denying, tvz wouldn't seem as hard. | ||
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DeathSpank
United States1029 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
Now , goliath m/m is really bad choice. You can either opt for mech, or you can opt for bio. If you are opening up with mech, then you need to be making tanks . The only way you should not make tanks in a mech build is if he is going pure muta to kill you (in that case goliath and valks would own). Your unit choice and poor decision making in the game is what cost you it. You cannot sit here and defend your choices when you are the one asking for help. Watch a few mech replays and then try and incorporate it into your play. Use the proper builds, and timings, and im sure you will notice things getting easier. Keep playing like someone who doesn't have a clue, and you will just go in circles... | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
On June 06 2009 09:14 DeathSpank wrote: protip:upgrade your shit. If you think ultras are scary you better have upgraded your shit. Before you post your protips maybe you should have watched the replay. But you probably do not want to assist me. You want to make yourself seem like a better player/cooler/smarter than you actually are by talking down to me. That goes for the majority of the people posting in this thread with generic crap such as "get upgrades", "kill before hive", and so on. Edit: Exigent's post is better, thanks. I'm not trying to defend my choices but some solid advice would do. I do not see the reason for going pure mech if I'm going to end up with a ton of banked up minerals. | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On June 06 2009 09:17 Adeny wrote: Before you post your protips maybe you should have watched the replay. But you probably do not want to assist me. You want to make yourself seem like a better player/cooler/smarter than you actually are by talking down to me. That goes for the majority of the people posting in this thread with generic crap such as "get upgrades", "kill before hive", and so on. Make more threads complaining about it. | ||
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DeathSpank
United States1029 Posts
On June 06 2009 09:17 Adeny wrote: Before you post your protips maybe you should have watched the replay. NOPE! also if you did then dont worry about it. | ||
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EsX_Raptor
United States2802 Posts
On June 06 2009 09:17 Adeny wrote: Before you post your protips maybe you should have watched the replay. But you probably do not want to assist me. You want to make yourself seem like a better player/cooler/smarter than you actually are by talking down to me. That goes for the majority of the people posting in this thread with generic crap such as "get upgrades", "kill before hive", and so on. What are you expecting? Those are indeed your main problems yet you decide to call them "generic crap." TL posters have got to be the best strategy posters and helpers I've seen in my life. But don't come here expecting something for nothing. You made a shit thread and you get shit answers. That's how it all is in life. hf | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On June 06 2009 09:17 Adeny wrote: Before you post your protips maybe you should have watched the replay. But you probably do not want to assist me. You want to make yourself seem like a better player/cooler/smarter than you actually are by talking down to me. That goes for the majority of the people posting in this thread with generic crap such as "get upgrades", "kill before hive", and so on. Edit: Exigent's post is better, thanks. I'm not trying to defend my choices but some solid advice would do. I do not see the reason for going pure mech if I'm going to end up with a ton of banked up minerals. Are you retarded? Don't ask for advice if you're going to snub people helping you. Not everyone is going to give you the perfect advice you're obviously looking for. Also the fact that you posted this in blogs begs for us to not take you too seriously. You said yourself you were too lazy to make a full post fit for strat section. As someone at the lower levels of play, get over yourself. Get upgrades if you didn't. Try to kill zerg when they're notably weaker than terran...which is before hive. If you can't kill before hive, then try to slow him down as much as possible, or do as much damage as possible to weaken his hive tech when he gets there. There's no problem with advice like that. Even if you say you already know it, you're obviously not applying it correctly or sufficiently. So once again...don't ask for help and then talk shit on people trying to help you. They're talking down on you because of your dumb fucking attitude. As written above, get over yourself. EDIT If you're going pure mech and have excess minerals, then there's something with your macro, not the strategy. Don't blame it on the build/strategy. Learn it solidly first. It's obviously good enough for people much better than you to use it, and going mech+bio is obviously not good enough for people much better than you to use. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On June 06 2009 09:17 Adeny wrote: Before you post your protips maybe you should have watched the replay. But you probably do not want to assist me. You want to make yourself seem like a better player/cooler/smarter than you actually are by talking down to me. That goes for the majority of the people posting in this thread with generic crap such as "get upgrades", "kill before hive", and so on. Edit: Exigent's post is better, thanks. I'm not trying to defend my choices but some solid advice would do. I do not see the reason for going pure mech if I'm going to end up with a ton of banked up minerals. Well, basically, you can put that money into vultures. What I saw after watching the replay was that you did have alot of built of minerals, as well as gas for a while. I think you would of surely won that game really easy if you opted to stick with 5 factories (you had 4 for a while) and put 2 with addons for pure tanks, and the rest for goliaths. I say this because he opted for hydra/lurk/ling. Upgraded tanks with splash damage make hydras almost useless when they are grouped together. There were a few points where I thought you had the game won for sure (he was long distance mining for a while), but you let it slip through your fingers once he got Dark Swarm. Another mistake you made was not irridating his defilers early on. At one point you had 4 vessels with your army (when he attacked your natural) and those 4 vessels alone could of irridated not only his defiler, but all of his lurkers that were there too. Basically, I think you need to add alot more tanks if you see hydras, especially since you had a huge lead going into the midgame. (you killed 6-7 drones, his 3rd hatch and his gas at his natural) odd's are you would of walked over him long before dark swarm. Another thing to work on, is making sure you utilize your vessels alot. Irridating his defilers is what keeps terran in the game. If you let a zerg player get all the way to your natural with dswarm, odds are REALLY good that you will lose the natural, so you need to prevent his defilers from pushing you. You do this by camping outside your base and making sure you irridate his defilers before they can push too far in. 1 more thing I think you should of done, since you had alot of marines/medics, is made dropships. Typically in a standard TvZ (im only C rank) I opt for the 9 min timing push with 3 tanks and 1 vessel alongside marines/medics. As soon as the vessel is done, I make a dropship, so that when I push out with my initial force, I can also fly a dropship to his 3rd. This forces him to concentrate on 1 or the other, which will allow you to capitalize on either killing his 3rd (if he ignores it), or pushing his army and killing tons of units if his attention goes towards saving his 3rd. Dual drops are even better, and can be used to take out zergs mainbase without much effort. So to sum it up, make alot more tanks when vsing hydra (tanks can also kill the defiler before he casts dswarm...if you see his defiler coming towards you in a cloud of dswarm, then you take your tanks and you target fire his defiler. The splash damage will kill it instantly, and it will die before it can cast a dswarm due to tanks far range) Make sure you use irridate alot more than you currently do. That is terrans savior against defilers. If your minerals are building up, add vultures into your mech army. You should upgrade spider mines as well, so that when he comes with dark swarm, he cant push your natural without losing his lurkers and defilers. (mines rape the shit out of zerg lategame) Make dropships and use them properly. That zerg player had the back island base as his 3rd for a while, so killing it could of won you the game. Other than that, just keep practicing and don't get too upset, everyone goes through tons of losses until they start figuring out what works and doesn't work for them. Most of all, enjoy the game, and make it fun! | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
Thanks alot. | ||
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