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[Q] Can racing sims teach you bad habits?

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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-04 01:31:43
June 04 2009 01:25 GMT
#1
So I'm thinking of buying the Logitech G25 mostly for playing games and partially to get acquainted with driving manual. Now, I plan on getting a manual car in 3 years when I graduate. My primary concern is that I might get bad habits (whatever they may be) from using a racing wheel in sims for a lengthy period of time.

I heard live for speed is pretty realistic as simulations go so I'm planning on playing that. I'd be glad to hear any other recommendations.

I know driving a real car is better for learning but I'm not really in a situation to spend that much time & money atm so that's unfortunately not an option.

tl;dr
Will I pick up bad habits from playing racing sims if I use a racing wheel?

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Official Entusman #21
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Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
June 04 2009 01:28 GMT
#2
...no
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
June 04 2009 01:30 GMT
#3
uh, no, you won't. a racing sim isn't real.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
June 04 2009 01:32 GMT
#4
I meant by playing with the logitech g25 racing wheel if that changes anything
Official Entusman #21
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
June 04 2009 01:40 GMT
#5
you really really wont, the amount of feedback (i.e. reactions to your actions) in real driving should totally override any habits you pick up playing games
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
June 04 2009 01:42 GMT
#6
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Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
June 04 2009 01:43 GMT
#7
It is completely different, you will be fine.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-04 01:54:58
June 04 2009 01:53 GMT
#8
You'll probably be running over people, crashing into buildings, and trying to escape the cops, so yeah, I'd say no bad habits.
TommyG
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States102 Posts
June 04 2009 02:06 GMT
#9
driving really isn't that hard.

unless you're female
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24732 Posts
June 04 2009 02:08 GMT
#10
The toy standard transmission will do little to nothing to help you with learning to drive a stick IRL just so you know lol
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
June 04 2009 02:09 GMT
#11
lol this is ridiculous. its a video game dude. rofl
mcgriddle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States253 Posts
June 04 2009 02:22 GMT
#12
you are putting way too much effort in to learning standard... its really not that hard- first time outside of driver's ed I drove manual. First day I was on big roads (and that car had very touchy clutch)
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MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
June 04 2009 02:24 GMT
#13
Might help you get used to when you should use the clutch and shift, but it won't really be like using a real clutch.

It shouldn't hurt, but I don't think it would be that much help either.
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
June 04 2009 02:27 GMT
#14
I wouldn't have expected a quality poster to be asking such silly questions. :X

It probably won't affect your real life driving skills, unless you are one of those crazy twelve year old kids who kill people after playing GTA or something. Or that guy that killed his parents because they took his Halo away.
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
June 04 2009 02:47 GMT
#15
To clarify, my concern is that if I play actual simulations (read: not GTA or NFS), then the timing of shifting or something could be off when I drive a manual irl and I damage my car when I get it.

I knew it was a stretch but I wanted to make sure before I blow $300 for a racing wheel.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 04 2009 02:48 GMT
#16
yes

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The winner of the 2004 online NASCAR video game racing competition, Sean spends up to 5 hours per night racing online. He admits the techniques he perfects in his online racing influences the way he drives on the road. The line between online racing and real driving has become dangerously blurred.

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PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-04 02:56:17
June 04 2009 02:53 GMT
#17
it (the games themselves) teaches good habits too fwiw but i'm not nearly at all qualified (in terms of both manual tranny rl cars + racing sims) enough to give good advice. although, i do have gt5p and a racing wheel (some 150-200 dollar one from logitech or something), there is no clutch and the stick is dinky and stupid (and only has 2 directions, up(shift) and down(shift)). so as far as a "real driving" physiological experience it's way off.

but yes the most i can say is, if anything, if you're not a very technical driver, racing sims will teach you some certain, helpful things. nothing too crazy, but technical stuff like understanding weight distribution of cars/diffs between rwd and fwd, cornering and acceleration/brake timing so as to keep efficient speeds but minimize over/under steer, blah blah blah
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
June 04 2009 02:56 GMT
#18
On June 04 2009 11:48 fusionsdf wrote:
yes

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Sean McConnell (Season 2)Read More
The winner of the 2004 online NASCAR video game racing competition, Sean spends up to 5 hours per night racing online. He admits the techniques he perfects in his online racing influences the way he drives on the road. The line between online racing and real driving has become dangerously blurred.

http://www.discoverycivilization.ca/shows/castlist.aspx?sid=1064

hahha that's pretty funny

I misread that as "the driving lines in online racing and real driving (racing) has become dangerously blurred"
Official Entusman #21
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24732 Posts
June 04 2009 02:58 GMT
#19
On June 04 2009 11:22 mcgriddle wrote:
you are putting way too much effort in to learning standard... its really not that hard- first time outside of driver's ed I drove manual. First day I was on big roads (and that car had very touchy clutch)

Do you also have a 37 inch penis, 400 iq, and 38 hot girlfriends?

This is not good advice to be giving someone who has never driven a stick before. Most people will at least stall a few times etc when learning from scratch... don't make it sound like you are a moron if you can't drive it almost instantly.
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eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
June 04 2009 03:00 GMT
#20
On June 04 2009 11:47 infinity21 wrote:
To clarify, my concern is that if I play actual simulations (read: not GTA or NFS), then the timing of shifting or something could be off when I drive a manual irl and I damage my car when I get it.

I knew it was a stretch but I wanted to make sure before I blow $300 for a racing wheel.


driving a standard is soooooooo much different than a video game. For 1, you cant feel your friction point in a video game. In a car, you need to practice finding your friction point with your clutch. This takes a few weeks before you feel really comfortable. A driving sim wont help you at all for this. For example, learning how to NOT stall your car by releasing your clutch and pressing your gas properly. Every car is different, so really there is no way to practice other than being in the car you bought. Now, stopping and going up steep hills is even more tricky, and no videogame will be able to mimic that.

Driving is super easy, so it's hard to make a videogame that mimics that, because if they did, then where would be the challenge in the game? You'd just be drivin around bein bored to shit and back lol.
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
June 04 2009 03:01 GMT
#21
dude, lol. I played Initial D and Wangan Midnight at arcades for 5-6 years and had no problems when I drove a real car for the first time, no stalls. The only thing you'll probably learn incorrectly is hand positioning, but that's not very hard to change.
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PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
June 04 2009 03:03 GMT
#22
H those aren't racing sims xD
MaNg0
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States675 Posts
June 04 2009 03:30 GMT
#23
hehe,

the g25 has a clutch + 6 gear shifter, but not as close to realistic as your racing sim.

you'll be fine.

also get GT5
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-04 03:31:33
June 04 2009 03:31 GMT
#24
On June 04 2009 12:03 PanoRaMa wrote:
H those aren't racing sims xD


yeah, but they're close! right?

...

but seriously don't be afraid of playing games because you think it'll own your manual skills or something, that won't happen
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
June 04 2009 03:31 GMT
#25
nothing about racing games relates to actual driving.

Going 150 and moving into sixth gear on a vet in real life, is a fucking ball clenching experience. In a videogame it means your begining to not be bored...


Play racing games for fun. Learn all about the mechanics of a car if your so inclined, before you drive.

Same as play starcraft for fun. Learn about war in the army.
DeathSpank
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1029 Posts
June 04 2009 03:38 GMT
#26
its not gonna mess you up... I mean I dont see how it could. Just don't redline everytime you shift....you're not planning on racing are you? or at least I hope you're not.
yes.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-04 03:46:54
June 04 2009 03:46 GMT
#27
thanks to the guys who posted good replies

the g25 is estimated to arrive on jun 15th D: (just ordered)
Official Entusman #21
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
June 04 2009 03:48 GMT
#28
Hah, i thought you were going to ask about bad habits in terms of gaming. Like mouse movements in starcraft of something.

I really doubt it will negatively affect your driving, although it definitely won't help it. I don't drive a stick-shift, but your going to need a long while before you're good at it. Driving is all about practice.
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
June 04 2009 03:49 GMT
#29
You gonna be racing down your street? Are you trolling us?! Like guy above my quick reply box said, driving is easy as fuck and any "bad habits" you get from playing your racing videogame would be shut down when you see whats happening infront of you on the road.
Nak Allstar.
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
June 04 2009 04:26 GMT
#30
lol, H. Initial D and Wangan Midnight are far from real life driving. XD

A teenager drifting to deliver tofu in the mountains, pshhhhh.
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
June 04 2009 05:18 GMT
#31
People eat tofu in the mountains?
ToyotaDemon
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia150 Posts
June 04 2009 06:00 GMT
#32
Yes if they are delivered by Jay Chou!
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leveIs
Profile Joined May 2009
United States44 Posts
June 04 2009 06:54 GMT
#33
My hours and hours of Gran Turismo 3 before age 16 made me a better driver doubt. If only because I understood the physics of a car before ever being behind the wheel of one.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
June 04 2009 07:03 GMT
#34
On June 04 2009 15:54 levels wrote:
My hours and hours of Gran Turismo 3 before age 16 made me a better driver doubt. If only because I understood the physics of a car before ever being behind the wheel of one.


definitley, going 160mph into a wall is a good way to stop your car
@QxGDarkCell ._.
mcgriddle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States253 Posts
June 04 2009 07:16 GMT
#35
On June 04 2009 11:58 micronesia wrote:
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On June 04 2009 11:22 mcgriddle wrote:
you are putting way too much effort in to learning standard... its really not that hard- first time outside of driver's ed I drove manual. First day I was on big roads (and that car had very touchy clutch)

Do you also have a 37 inch penis, 400 iq, and 38 hot girlfriends?

This is not good advice to be giving someone who has never driven a stick before. Most people will at least stall a few times etc when learning from scratch... don't make it sound like you are a moron if you can't drive it almost instantly.


i said that day... as in I had practiced in a parking lot for a while before hand. And of course EVERYONE will stall a few times. I have had my fair share of painful stalls.

Just avoid stoplights on hills and all will be good :D.
Reason obeys itself....and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
June 04 2009 09:04 GMT
#36
Not at all.

Half of driving is feeling. How do you know that you took a corner too fast or that your messing up ure gear shifts? Because your body feels it when your driving. Racing games cant simulate the feeling of driving, only the actions. Its very easy to draw the line between what you do in a game and what you do in real life.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32083 Posts
June 04 2009 12:46 GMT
#37
On June 04 2009 11:58 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2009 11:22 mcgriddle wrote:
you are putting way too much effort in to learning standard... its really not that hard- first time outside of driver's ed I drove manual. First day I was on big roads (and that car had very touchy clutch)

Do you also have a 37 inch penis, 400 iq, and 38 hot girlfriends?

This is not good advice to be giving someone who has never driven a stick before. Most people will at least stall a few times etc when learning from scratch... don't make it sound like you are a moron if you can't drive it almost instantly.


Eh, I learned how to drive stick in a day too. You're all giddy for a new car, so you spend the whole day driving. Granted, it took like a week or two to master, but I could at least get where I needed to go
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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
June 04 2009 15:13 GMT
#38
On June 04 2009 10:40 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
you really really wont, the amount of feedback (i.e. reactions to your actions) in real driving should totally override any habits you pick up playing games

yup

also trying to practice driving a car w/ games is just an excuse kids make to buy the racing games... it will not in anyway help u in ur real life car driving...
ggyo...
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
June 04 2009 15:24 GMT
#39
lol, you're going to stall a lot in the beginning, and good luck the first time you have to get into first on a hill
learn in a parking lot
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