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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 15 2009 07:31 GMT
#1
I need to vent about Iccup.

Iccup is in fact a great server, but sometimes their admins can be sooo god damn frustrating and foolish.

I've been playing Random a lot lately. It's fun and makes it a bit easier to win. I'll admit it. This particular incident occurred nearly a week ago and I've been battling Iccup since.

Anyways, so I'm playing this guy and in the first 30 seconds of the game, he asks "race?" Now I don't pick random to tell you my race after you split your workers. I'd just pick a race at that point. So I ignore the guy.

He leaves. It's about 51 seconds in.

I say "Pfft, that's bullshit. If I leave as a Terran getting my gas stolen, I get a penalty. I'm lodging a complaint." So I do.

Iccup's rules say there must be a disadvantage for that rule to kick in. It never specifies the terms of said disadvantage, but it says there needs to be one. I argue he didn't know my race and thus felt he was at a disadvantage. It's not like he just randomly left, he asked my race once, didn't know and left. Iccup denies my complaint.

I appeal. As I do this, I notice a debate raging on their forums about Random. Odd timing I thought. I skim through the 20-odd pages and finally put my 2 cents in.

I later check the forums again (after the standard Iccup 2-3 day delay) to find out the admin posted four words about it. "No punish here. Closed." Now I'm outraged. I PM the guy, linking both of my threads and also linking him the thread with the 22 pages of debate, tell him to read it and tell me that this guy left for some other reason than he was at a disadvantage. I get a PM back of 2 words. "No punish".

Seriously dude. WHAT THE FUCK. I've outlined my case, and all you can fucking say is 2 fucking words? Did you even fucking watch the fucking replay? Did you fucking read the thread? DO YOU FUCKING PLAY THE FUCKING GAME??

Sorry, I needed to get that out, and it's 24 hour quiet hours so I can't shout, but seriously. I'm just pissed....

**
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
May 15 2009 07:36 GMT
#2
only pussies dont play against random.
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
May 15 2009 07:36 GMT
#3
ICCUP Mods are tards, but there is nowhere else to play to get better, so they can do what they want.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 15 2009 07:37 GMT
#4
It wasn't even whether or not they don't play.

I just was frustrated by the iccup admins. I know that I'll get less games as random. Fine, whatever. Just actually take care of this rather than f*cking penalizing progamers....



God I wish the gym was open...
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
May 15 2009 07:40 GMT
#5
It's a monopoly. This stuff will happen. Much like KeSPA.
Jaedong
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
May 15 2009 07:42 GMT
#6
Sorry but what is your problem? I always leave if an R doesn't tell their race. I want to play Broodwar not a guessing game.

What's the problem with the 50 seconds, just open a new game. If iccup admins had to handle that shit they'd have no time to deal with real misbehavior.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
May 15 2009 07:44 GMT
#7
Mutiny anyone?
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 15 2009 07:47 GMT
#8
On May 15 2009 16:42 zatic wrote:
Sorry but what is your problem? I always leave if an R doesn't tell their race. I want to play Broodwar not a guessing game.

What's the problem with the 50 seconds, just open a new game. If iccup admins had to handle that shit they'd have no time to deal with real misbehavior.


Why am I going to pick Random if I tell you my race? Why not just say "race" in the lobby or make me leave? The 50 seconds is just frustration. I used to just main Terran. If I had my gas stolen a minute/minute and a half in and left, I got penalized. Why should they care? Why should Iccup admins have to handle that? It's just 40 more seconds?

It's the principle.

I'm not saying people have to/don't have to play vs. Random. But at least fucking tell us if you want to know the race in advance. It's hard enough to get games as it is, let alone to waste the time. It was 50 seconds in game, but it was bout a 5 minute ordeal total, trying to find said game, get in lobby, convince guy to go, etc etc.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
May 15 2009 07:50 GMT
#9
Your opponent left, when he is still allowed to leave. The replay you show can't prove whether you race picked or randomned and the admin won't give you points for that. And you rage about that.

Get over points.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
May 15 2009 07:54 GMT
#10
Really if a player doesn't want to play vs an R who doesn't tell race, he should kick/leave before the game starts. On the other hand, the R player should let know his opponent beforehand just what he's getting into, so the opponent doesn't assume a race tell is incoming. Honestly, I had no idea people ever assumed that, but I guess some do.

Though I don't think you should be so upset. If that guy had gotten penalized, would that have been worth all the time you spent on the iCCup site? He really only took a few minutes at most from you.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
May 15 2009 07:56 GMT
#11
On May 15 2009 16:42 zatic wrote:
Sorry but what is your problem? I always leave if an R doesn't tell their race. I want to play Broodwar not a guessing game.

What's the problem with the 50 seconds, just open a new game. If iccup admins had to handle that shit they'd have no time to deal with real misbehavior.


Do you leave if they don't tell you their build too?
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 15 2009 07:57 GMT
#12
On May 15 2009 16:54 EchOne wrote:
Really if a player doesn't want to play vs an R who doesn't tell race, he should kick/leave before the game starts. On the other hand, the R player should let know his opponent beforehand just what he's getting into, so the opponent doesn't assume a race tell is incoming. Honestly, I had no idea people ever assumed that, but I guess some do.

Though I don't think you should be so upset. If that guy had gotten penalized, would that have been worth all the time you spent on the iCCup site? He really only took a few minutes at most from you.


I can see why people see the irrationality in it. I guess another thing is that I don't ICCUP all that often (school, girlfriend, jobs, etc) so when I do, I value it and try and do well, and I was feeling really good last weekend about my play.

I guess I'll just say "I'm not telling race" in the lobby from now on.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 08:35:24
May 15 2009 08:33 GMT
#13
@ LxRouge

Actually, it's near impossible for protoss to play vs a random on maps like medusa. Depending on the map (if it's a ramped map it's not so much an issue because you can go 1 gate tech vs all 3 races) I don't see a problem with not playing against random.

@ OP
Though he should have made that decision before starting the game, I agree with you there.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
May 15 2009 08:38 GMT
#14
On May 15 2009 16:47 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2009 16:42 zatic wrote:
Sorry but what is your problem? I always leave if an R doesn't tell their race. I want to play Broodwar not a guessing game.

What's the problem with the 50 seconds, just open a new game. If iccup admins had to handle that shit they'd have no time to deal with real misbehavior.


Why am I going to pick Random if I tell you my race? Why not just say "race" in the lobby or make me leave? The 50 seconds is just frustration. I used to just main Terran. If I had my gas stolen a minute/minute and a half in and left, I got penalized. Why should they care? Why should Iccup admins have to handle that? It's just 40 more seconds?

It's the principle.

I'm not saying people have to/don't have to play vs. Random. But at least fucking tell us if you want to know the race in advance. It's hard enough to get games as it is, let alone to waste the time. It was 50 seconds in game, but it was bout a 5 minute ordeal total, trying to find said game, get in lobby, convince guy to go, etc etc.


I don't know how much you play @ iccup but its more standard when host presses "start" that starting race is "random". 99% they pick race before it goes to 1 or 2 seconds. If I am not sure which race I am up against I just quit.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 15 2009 08:42 GMT
#15
I think its standard that you tell your race if you pick random. You shouldve told him that you were going random and werent going to tell race before the game started. Almost everyone just expects random to tell race because thats the "SOP".

Anyway I wouldve left too if I was the one at your opponents place.
Woo Jung Ho
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 15 2009 08:48 GMT
#16
On May 15 2009 17:42 iLoveKTF wrote:
I think its standard that you tell your race if you pick random. You shouldve told him that you were going random and werent going to tell race before the game started. Almost everyone just expects random to tell race because thats the "SOP".

Anyway I wouldve left too if I was the one at your opponents place.


See this is what I don't get.

Telling my opponent my race completely negates why someone would go random. If a random player tells you "Oh btw I'm P" right after he splits, why did he go random in the first place? Now I guess I'm getting into why is the SOP the way it is, but I just do not understand this... at all. Can someone who does understand explain please?
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 15 2009 08:53 GMT
#17
2 reason why you go random.

1. You know how to play all 3 races. You do not use random to take advantage of the opponent not knowing what your race is so you tell him your race immediately.
2. You use random as a cheap way to get an early advantage. Example. Your oppent is T, you randomed P, The T can not open with fast gas or some TvP builds because he doesnt know your race and is forced to waste some minerals on extra marines. That is a cheap way of gaining advantage by going random.

Unfortunately for you, in competitive online play, #1 is usually the case. The only case where you have #2 is when you are playing with your friends for fun.
Woo Jung Ho
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
May 15 2009 08:57 GMT
#18
No it doesn't, it's completely normal that you just can't or won't decide what race to play at that moment and thus go random. For the simple purpose of letting the AI decide your race and not for getting an early advantage.

If you want that host games and put the random in the title.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 15 2009 08:58 GMT
#19
On May 15 2009 17:53 iLoveKTF wrote:
2 reason why you go random.

1. You know how to play all 3 races. You do not use random to take advantage of the opponent not knowing what your race is so you tell him your race immediately.
2. You use random as a cheap way to get an early advantage. Example. Your oppent is T, you randomed P, The T can not open with fast gas or some TvP builds because he doesnt know your race and is forced to waste some minerals on extra marines. That is a cheap way of gaining advantage by going random.

Unfortunately for you, in competitive online play, #1 is usually the case. The only case where you have #2 is when you are playing with your friends for fun.


I guess I viewed it differently. I'm playing random somewhat for fun, but it's also a brute way of learning all 3 races. I also like the advantage though. Like you outlined #2, I do like cornering my opponents, but eh. I still don't plan on getting to the point of #1 and then telling my opponent my race. *shrug*
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
May 15 2009 08:59 GMT
#20
On May 15 2009 17:57 zatic wrote:
No it doesn't, it's completely normal that you just can't or won't decide what race to play at that moment and thus go random. For the simple purpose of letting the AI decide your race and not for getting an early advantage.

If you want that host games and put the random in the title.


I would host my games. But I can't hack my school's router and forward 6112-6119. :/
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
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