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I need to vent about Iccup.
Iccup is in fact a great server, but sometimes their admins can be sooo god damn frustrating and foolish.
I've been playing Random a lot lately. It's fun and makes it a bit easier to win. I'll admit it. This particular incident occurred nearly a week ago and I've been battling Iccup since.
Anyways, so I'm playing this guy and in the first 30 seconds of the game, he asks "race?" Now I don't pick random to tell you my race after you split your workers. I'd just pick a race at that point. So I ignore the guy.
He leaves. It's about 51 seconds in.
I say "Pfft, that's bullshit. If I leave as a Terran getting my gas stolen, I get a penalty. I'm lodging a complaint." So I do.
Iccup's rules say there must be a disadvantage for that rule to kick in. It never specifies the terms of said disadvantage, but it says there needs to be one. I argue he didn't know my race and thus felt he was at a disadvantage. It's not like he just randomly left, he asked my race once, didn't know and left. Iccup denies my complaint.
I appeal. As I do this, I notice a debate raging on their forums about Random. Odd timing I thought. I skim through the 20-odd pages and finally put my 2 cents in.
I later check the forums again (after the standard Iccup 2-3 day delay) to find out the admin posted four words about it. "No punish here. Closed." Now I'm outraged. I PM the guy, linking both of my threads and also linking him the thread with the 22 pages of debate, tell him to read it and tell me that this guy left for some other reason than he was at a disadvantage. I get a PM back of 2 words. "No punish".
Seriously dude. WHAT THE FUCK. I've outlined my case, and all you can fucking say is 2 fucking words? Did you even fucking watch the fucking replay? Did you fucking read the thread? DO YOU FUCKING PLAY THE FUCKING GAME??
Sorry, I needed to get that out, and it's 24 hour quiet hours so I can't shout, but seriously. I'm just pissed....
 
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only pussies dont play against random.
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ICCUP Mods are tards, but there is nowhere else to play to get better, so they can do what they want.
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It wasn't even whether or not they don't play.
I just was frustrated by the iccup admins. I know that I'll get less games as random. Fine, whatever. Just actually take care of this rather than f*cking penalizing progamers....
God I wish the gym was open...
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It's a monopoly. This stuff will happen. Much like KeSPA.
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Zurich15315 Posts
Sorry but what is your problem? I always leave if an R doesn't tell their race. I want to play Broodwar not a guessing game.
What's the problem with the 50 seconds, just open a new game. If iccup admins had to handle that shit they'd have no time to deal with real misbehavior.
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On May 15 2009 16:42 zatic wrote:
Sorry but what is your problem? I always leave if an R doesn't tell their race. I want to play Broodwar not a guessing game.
What's the problem with the 50 seconds, just open a new game. If iccup admins had to handle that shit they'd have no time to deal with real misbehavior.
Why am I going to pick Random if I tell you my race? Why not just say "race" in the lobby or make me leave? The 50 seconds is just frustration. I used to just main Terran. If I had my gas stolen a minute/minute and a half in and left, I got penalized. Why should they care? Why should Iccup admins have to handle that? It's just 40 more seconds?
It's the principle.
I'm not saying people have to/don't have to play vs. Random. But at least fucking tell us if you want to know the race in advance. It's hard enough to get games as it is, let alone to waste the time. It was 50 seconds in game, but it was bout a 5 minute ordeal total, trying to find said game, get in lobby, convince guy to go, etc etc.
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Your opponent left, when he is still allowed to leave. The replay you show can't prove whether you race picked or randomned and the admin won't give you points for that. And you rage about that.
Get over points.
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Really if a player doesn't want to play vs an R who doesn't tell race, he should kick/leave before the game starts. On the other hand, the R player should let know his opponent beforehand just what he's getting into, so the opponent doesn't assume a race tell is incoming. Honestly, I had no idea people ever assumed that, but I guess some do.
Though I don't think you should be so upset. If that guy had gotten penalized, would that have been worth all the time you spent on the iCCup site? He really only took a few minutes at most from you.
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On May 15 2009 16:42 zatic wrote:
Sorry but what is your problem? I always leave if an R doesn't tell their race. I want to play Broodwar not a guessing game.
What's the problem with the 50 seconds, just open a new game. If iccup admins had to handle that shit they'd have no time to deal with real misbehavior.
Do you leave if they don't tell you their build too?
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On May 15 2009 16:54 EchOne wrote:
Really if a player doesn't want to play vs an R who doesn't tell race, he should kick/leave before the game starts. On the other hand, the R player should let know his opponent beforehand just what he's getting into, so the opponent doesn't assume a race tell is incoming. Honestly, I had no idea people ever assumed that, but I guess some do.
Though I don't think you should be so upset. If that guy had gotten penalized, would that have been worth all the time you spent on the iCCup site? He really only took a few minutes at most from you.
I can see why people see the irrationality in it. I guess another thing is that I don't ICCUP all that often (school, girlfriend, jobs, etc) so when I do, I value it and try and do well, and I was feeling really good last weekend about my play.
I guess I'll just say "I'm not telling race" in the lobby from now on.
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@ LxRouge
Actually, it's near impossible for protoss to play vs a random on maps like medusa. Depending on the map (if it's a ramped map it's not so much an issue because you can go 1 gate tech vs all 3 races) I don't see a problem with not playing against random.
@ OP
Though he should have made that decision before starting the game, I agree with you there.
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On May 15 2009 16:47 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2009 16:42 zatic wrote:
Sorry but what is your problem? I always leave if an R doesn't tell their race. I want to play Broodwar not a guessing game.
What's the problem with the 50 seconds, just open a new game. If iccup admins had to handle that shit they'd have no time to deal with real misbehavior. Why am I going to pick Random if I tell you my race? Why not just say "race" in the lobby or make me leave? The 50 seconds is just frustration. I used to just main Terran. If I had my gas stolen a minute/minute and a half in and left, I got penalized. Why should they care? Why should Iccup admins have to handle that? It's just 40 more seconds? It's the principle. I'm not saying people have to/don't have to play vs. Random. But at least fucking tell us if you want to know the race in advance. It's hard enough to get games as it is, let alone to waste the time. It was 50 seconds in game, but it was bout a 5 minute ordeal total, trying to find said game, get in lobby, convince guy to go, etc etc.
I don't know how much you play @ iccup but its more standard when host presses "start" that starting race is "random". 99% they pick race before it goes to 1 or 2 seconds. If I am not sure which race I am up against I just quit.
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I think its standard that you tell your race if you pick random. You shouldve told him that you were going random and werent going to tell race before the game started. Almost everyone just expects random to tell race because thats the "SOP".
Anyway I wouldve left too if I was the one at your opponents place.
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On May 15 2009 17:42 iLoveKTF wrote:
I think its standard that you tell your race if you pick random. You shouldve told him that you were going random and werent going to tell race before the game started. Almost everyone just expects random to tell race because thats the "SOP".
Anyway I wouldve left too if I was the one at your opponents place.
See this is what I don't get.
Telling my opponent my race completely negates why someone would go random. If a random player tells you "Oh btw I'm P" right after he splits, why did he go random in the first place? Now I guess I'm getting into why is the SOP the way it is, but I just do not understand this... at all. Can someone who does understand explain please?
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2 reason why you go random.
1. You know how to play all 3 races. You do not use random to take advantage of the opponent not knowing what your race is so you tell him your race immediately.
2. You use random as a cheap way to get an early advantage. Example. Your oppent is T, you randomed P, The T can not open with fast gas or some TvP builds because he doesnt know your race and is forced to waste some minerals on extra marines. That is a cheap way of gaining advantage by going random.
Unfortunately for you, in competitive online play, #1 is usually the case. The only case where you have #2 is when you are playing with your friends for fun.
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Zurich15315 Posts
No it doesn't, it's completely normal that you just can't or won't decide what race to play at that moment and thus go random. For the simple purpose of letting the AI decide your race and not for getting an early advantage.
If you want that host games and put the random in the title.
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On May 15 2009 17:53 iLoveKTF wrote:
2 reason why you go random.
1. You know how to play all 3 races. You do not use random to take advantage of the opponent not knowing what your race is so you tell him your race immediately.
2. You use random as a cheap way to get an early advantage. Example. Your oppent is T, you randomed P, The T can not open with fast gas or some TvP builds because he doesnt know your race and is forced to waste some minerals on extra marines. That is a cheap way of gaining advantage by going random.
Unfortunately for you, in competitive online play, #1 is usually the case. The only case where you have #2 is when you are playing with your friends for fun.
I guess I viewed it differently. I'm playing random somewhat for fun, but it's also a brute way of learning all 3 races. I also like the advantage though. Like you outlined #2, I do like cornering my opponents, but eh. I still don't plan on getting to the point of #1 and then telling my opponent my race. *shrug*
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On May 15 2009 17:57 zatic wrote:
No it doesn't, it's completely normal that you just can't or won't decide what race to play at that moment and thus go random. For the simple purpose of letting the AI decide your race and not for getting an early advantage.
If you want that host games and put the random in the title.
I would host my games. But I can't hack my school's router and forward 6112-6119. :/
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Kentor
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On May 15 2009 17:48 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Telling my opponent my race completely negates why someone would go random. If a random player tells you "Oh btw I'm P" right after he splits, why did he go random in the first place?
You seriously can't answer this yourself? Wow. Come on. People go random because they want the computer to decide what race they will be playing but they also don't want to give the other guy some disadvantage. God. Seriously. I would expect someone to tell me their race if they went random because I wouldn't know what build order to use. Try harder to answer your own questions. 1/5
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On May 15 2009 18:05 Kentor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2009 17:48 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Telling my opponent my race completely negates why someone would go random. If a random player tells you "Oh btw I'm P" right after he splits, why did he go random in the first place? You seriously can't answer this yourself? Wow. Come on. People go random because they want the computer to decide what race they will be playing but they also don't want to give the other guy some disadvantage. God. Seriously. I would expect someone to tell me their race if they went random because I wouldn't know what build order to use. Try harder to answer your own questions. 1/5
Apparently, as has been pointed out by other replies (read the thread, maybe?), my motives for going random are different than those of others.
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I wonder what would happen if you randomed and lied about your race, is there some iccup rule against that?
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if you were really serious about learning all 3 races just play terran for 50 games and repeat for the others. You'll probably improve faster because you're focusing on one thing.
and no your motives are partially the same as others because you did say you like the advantage given by playing random
if you cant decide what race to play just get a hat make 3 cards and pick it randomly. Random is stupid unless its rvr.
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Dude your complaint is utterly ridiculous, he was at no more of a disadvantage than when the game first started... Why would u waste the ICCUP admins time complaining it... it was 50secs, remake the game and move on =\
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On May 15 2009 16:36 Mastermind wrote:
only pussies play random.
fixed,
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the under, what 2 minute(?) of free leaving time is there for a reason.
Do you file a complaint if it starts lagging and the guy leaves?
Do you file a complaint if someone suddenly gets busy and has to leave?
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I can understand the OP zatic. Its plain bullshit that he should host games where he states that he's random.
If he joines a game without "terran come" "zerg come" etc blabla. He can pick random. If someone can't deal with random he should quit broodwar.
@ OP. Next time just lie and tell him you are protoss or something-_- There's no rule that you need to be honest on your race.
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Zurich15315 Posts
Well he is the one complaining, not the guy who quit. Sure he can pick random, but then don't start crying about people quitting, and, ffs, don't waste the iccup admin's time with something like this.
And yeah, great advice to tell them the wrong race. That's the spirit.
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where do they recruit the admins btw?
i think they should poach them from TL.
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I think no one really likes playing against random because you will be forced to play a suboptimal opening. You shouldn't really be surprised if people leave if you don't tell your race. Complaining at the ICCUP staff because you don't get free wins is just idiotic. You lost 50 seconds. How many minutes do the ICCUP admins have to sacrifice for this great injustice?
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both sides are wrong imo.
he shouldn't have left.
and OP shouldn't have wasted people's time with something so minor.
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Wow, Starcraft has really gone mechanical because of XvX builds. 
There's like a designated counter to each build, that's why most players wouldn't play guys that use random and don't tell race once game starts.
But it's really hard to go 1 gate tech without a ramp like a previous guy said.
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Calgary25969 Posts
Appreciate that they get hundreds of complaints a day. It's not easy devoting time to every case. It's 100 points - just let it go.
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i sincerely doubt this iccup scenario was the main event that set your temper off
try to calm down a bit and realize what made you so mad, and address that, not iccup.
just speculating of course
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Eh, no sympathy from me dude, I would have left as well -.- Actually I wouldn't have played in the first place if opponent is going random.
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I think the admin went a bit overboard, he should've just said "No." instead he wasted 2 seconds typing "No punish."
I play random occasionally. Like playing non-zerg on Battle Royale, some people are fine playing with a disadvantage, others aren't. You just have to deal with it.
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On May 15 2009 19:04 G.s)NarutO wrote:
If he joines a game without "terran come" "zerg come" etc blabla. He can pick random. If someone can't deal with random he should quit broodwar.
And you open as P on medusa without being at a huge disadvantage against certain races... how? lol..
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On May 15 2009 16:42 zatic wrote:
Sorry but what is your problem? I always leave if an R doesn't tell their race. I want to play Broodwar not a guessing game.
I moderately disagree. This is - in my opinion - what scouting is for. However, this is a personal preference, so I don't think it is of any use to argue about it.
What's the problem with the 50 seconds, just open a new game. If iccup admins had to handle that shit they'd have no time to deal with real misbehavior.
I strongly agree. I actually do not see any problem whatsoever that would support a complaint. Nothing happened in the first 50 seconds anyway, so no harm done. Just open a new game and find players that wanna play versus random.
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quick call the whaaaambulance
this isnt a disadvantage leave he just doesnt feel like guessing what you are and you possibly getting a free win
disadvantage is 4 scouting to proxy in someones base then leaving because your probe got caught and died
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What the fuck is wrong with you?
You can't complain about that.
I 5 probe rush some guy and he leaves as soon as probe arrives because its uber early. He claimed lag and I didn't get the win. If I let that go then surely you can get over this...
(AND STOP PLAYING RANDOM)
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Welcome to hell. This is why I stopped playing random. People on iCCup don't know how to play SC.
Part of SC is guessing... You don't know if your opponent is proxying, necessarily. If you want to find out you have to scout to check the spots and waste mining time. If you don't know your opponents race and you really want to know, you have to scout early.
It's not "just" 50 seconds. This isn't a one time rare occurrence. This shit happens all the time when you play random. I've never bothered to go to admins because, like you can see, they aren't random-friendly players. Most of them probably hate playing against random as much as the guy who wasted your time, and if you were ever so lucky to find the one random playing admin on iCCup, he'd probably get overturned by other admins.
If you lose against a random player YOU ARE LOSING BECAUSE YOU ARE THE WORSE PLAYER. Not because they cheated. If you quit because you're afraid to lose to a better player, you shouldn't be playing a competitive game in the first place.
Until iCCup makes a rule that says YOU HAVE TO PICK A RACE (which I would respect), they should be defending that you don't have to. This playing both sides is non-sense.
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On May 16 2009 00:19 Chef wrote:
If you lose against a random player YOU ARE LOSING BECAUSE YOU ARE THE WORSE PLAYER. Not because they cheated. If you quit because you're afraid to lose to a better player, you shouldn't be playing a competitive game in the first place.
Ahh but this is a double edged sword. If that player chooses random because he needs the "guessing" or "surprise" element to win, then I would say that player is worse.
Otherwise, the player would pick random and then tell the opponent their race? no?
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i don't see how playing random is a "cheap" way to get an advantage.
the person playing random is at a disadvantage to begin with because he has to be good at 9 MUs compared to someone who only have to be good at 3. i mean the fact that the R player puts him in a situation where any of the 9 MUs might be thrown at him is a disadvntage itself. i mean there are different ways to play the game deal with it, i'm sure there are people who only play certain matchups. and pick depending on what the opponent goes.... its ladder climbing, your playing random people.
who says someone can't go zergling all-in rush in a zvp every game and not RE, that takes advantage of the fact people don't have pre-game scouting on you and might not be looking for that.
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what i think is you shouldn't have to tell them if your playing random because your opponent can random too its not like they are destined to stay 1 race forever.
but another reason someone might go random is just to keep starcraft spicy by playing with different races 
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I hate people who call people picking random a cheap way to get an advantage. Ever thought that maybe some of us only play this game for fun? We pick random because we like several matchups or just like to leave little things up to chance? So what if you dont know your opponents starting race? Scout a little earlier or choose a build you think is good overall, in 90% of the games it comes down to skill anyways.
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On May 16 2009 00:19 Chef wrote:
Welcome to hell. This is why I stopped playing random. People on iCCup don't know how to play SC.
Part of SC is guessing... You don't know if your opponent is proxying, necessarily. If you want to find out you have to scout to check the spots and waste mining time. If you don't know your opponents race and you really want to know, you have to scout early.
It's not "just" 50 seconds. This isn't a one time rare occurrence. This shit happens all the time when you play random. I've never bothered to go to admins because, like you can see, they aren't random-friendly players. Most of them probably hate playing against random as much as the guy who wasted your time, and if you were ever so lucky to find the one random playing admin on iCCup, he'd probably get overturned by other admins.
If you lose against a random player YOU ARE LOSING BECAUSE YOU ARE THE WORSE PLAYER. Not because they cheated. If you quit because you're afraid to lose to a better player, you shouldn't be playing a competitive game in the first place.
Until iCCup makes a rule that says YOU HAVE TO PICK A RACE (which I would respect), they should be defending that you don't have to. This playing both sides is non-sense.
If you lose to someone who cheesed you, and they played random so you don't know what cheese is coming, are you the worse player?
Scouting is so important in Starcraft, that any knowledge you can get is beneficial to you. If you know what race I'm playing, you know all the standard strategies and cheeses that I might try, but I would have to sacrifice economy and scout because you could be any of the 3 races. That's a huge advantage right there, I don't see how that wouldn't affect the game.
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On May 16 2009 01:23 BabyRhino wrote:
i don't see how playing random is a "cheap" way to get an advantage.
the person playing random is at a disadvantage to begin with because he has to be good at 9 MUs compared to someone who only have to be good at 3. i mean the fact that the R player puts him in a situation where any of the 9 MUs might be thrown at him is a disadvntage itself. i mean there are different ways to play the game deal with it, i'm sure there are people who only play certain matchups. and pick depending on what the opponent goes.... its ladder climbing, your playing random people.
who says someone can't go zergling all-in rush in a zvp every game and not RE, that takes advantage of the fact people don't have pre-game scouting on you and might not be looking for that.
You are missing the point that i don't have to be as good at zvt as you are at tvz if I random, because I know what matchup I am playing and can prepare my build accordingly, whereas you are left guessing (and presumably will go mech, which may or may not be what you are accustomed to doing in tvz).
Your ZvP example is terrible. As the P I know you are Z, as such I should prepare for the possibility that you are going to 5pool me (prior to scouting) or watch out for 3 hatch ling all-in. Whereas if you are random, it makes no fucking sense for me to cannon FE. Hell, I guess I will just 1 gate semitech. Oh wait, that might not always be the best.
Also, I don't know what ICCUP rank you are, but 9 MUs is slightly misleading at low levels. I can/have played D+ ZvT just because my TvZ was that rank, because I know what usually works well against me, and when. The timings aren't precise, but it works well enough for low level. Similarly I can/have played ZvP just based on on PvZ (given some practice games, in the neighborhood of 20~30), etc. So on the low level, "9 MUs" is really not hard to achieve. And actually, random will probably be even more of an advantage at higher ICCUP levels (not pro, but high), because there you could still conceivably maintain skill in those matchups, and with more precise knowledge exploit your greater initial knowledge of the matchup (since he does not know your race) with greater effect. You might say that the opponent should just scout you very early since he does not know your race, but in a 4 player map, luck could always screw you.
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anyone that actually quits against random should probably quit starcraft immediately as they aren't playing to have fun.
I bet all the people that won't play against random also have maphack, NO SURPRISES ALLOWED1211!!!11
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On May 16 2009 03:45 OreoBoi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2009 00:19 Chef wrote:
Welcome to hell. This is why I stopped playing random. People on iCCup don't know how to play SC.
Part of SC is guessing... You don't know if your opponent is proxying, necessarily. If you want to find out you have to scout to check the spots and waste mining time. If you don't know your opponents race and you really want to know, you have to scout early.
It's not "just" 50 seconds. This isn't a one time rare occurrence. This shit happens all the time when you play random. I've never bothered to go to admins because, like you can see, they aren't random-friendly players. Most of them probably hate playing against random as much as the guy who wasted your time, and if you were ever so lucky to find the one random playing admin on iCCup, he'd probably get overturned by other admins.
If you lose against a random player YOU ARE LOSING BECAUSE YOU ARE THE WORSE PLAYER. Not because they cheated. If you quit because you're afraid to lose to a better player, you shouldn't be playing a competitive game in the first place.
Until iCCup makes a rule that says YOU HAVE TO PICK A RACE (which I would respect), they should be defending that you don't have to. This playing both sides is non-sense. If you lose to someone who cheesed you, and they played random so you don't know what cheese is coming, are you the worse player? Scouting is so important in Starcraft, that any knowledge you can get is beneficial to you. If you know what race I'm playing, you know all the standard strategies and cheeses that I might try, but I would have to sacrifice economy and scout because you could be any of the 3 races. That's a huge advantage right there, I don't see how that wouldn't affect the game.
Listen. Everyone has to make a choice. You can either play Random and have 1/3rd the practice time per matchup as everyone else, or you can pick a race and deal with a slight mining disadvantage (which actually in most matchups isn't even relevant, since some builds don't diverge for quite awhile (ie: Terran vs Z and P both get one rax rines for a bit... vs another T you may have 2 more marines than normal).
I can understand if a league or ladder demands no one be allowed to play Random. That's fine. But if the league allows it, it's not the right of the players within the league to say "no, you're not allowed to play random." You could play random too if you think it's such an advantage. It isn't.
The reason people play random isn't because they want an unfair advantage. When you play random, it's much, much more difficult for people to cheese against you. When you play random you get a taste of all matchups. It's not because people think it's truly the best race selection, OR EVERYONE WOULD DO IT. The only thing that people really get pissed off about playing against random is that they're no longer able to blatantly copy progamers. They lose to it, and they claim it's because random is such an imbalanced selection, when really they just never learned to play sc in the first place. IF all you know is a few build orders, YES you will die to random because you suck at StarCraft (and for no other reason).
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The obvious solution here is to lie about your race. I mean if you refuse to play vs random then say so before you start the game or ask for race, not start it then when seeing him go random you leave. If people refuse to play vs random they deserve a lie, and always a lie that would work best for you.
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On May 16 2009 05:33 Oystein wrote:
The obvious solution here is to lie about your race. I mean if you refuse to play vs random then say so before you start the game or ask for race, not start it then when seeing him go random you leave. If people refuse to play vs random they deserve a lie, and always a lie that would work best for you.
Hahaha well I'm personally torn about this.. because sometimes I do lie and tell my opponents that I'm doing build orders that I'm not, just to mind fuck them, but somehow that seems more ethical than lying about which race you are.
I don't mind playing against random, and I don't know why everyone in this thread says that they don't play random.. Just scout a bit earlier than normal, It''ll be worth it considering that they can't possibly be strong in all 3 matchups. B/B+ random players are usually a lot easier to beat for me than people that play only one race.
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On May 16 2009 05:33 Oystein wrote:
The obvious solution here is to lie about your race. I mean if you refuse to play vs random then say so before you start the game or ask for race, not start it then when seeing him go random you leave. If people refuse to play vs random they deserve a lie, and always a lie that would work best for you.
the sarcasm was hard rather hard to pick up 
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Random is a legit choice no matter what the users intentions are. I fully agree with the op, should have gotten the points.
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People don't like starting the game at a massive disadvantage just to cater to your indecision or reliance on a surprise element. There is no reason to punish people for that, if you don't like it roll dice to determine what race you should be or find an opponent who doesn't mind it. This problem could easily be averted by not choosing random
The only time I random is vs friends when we don't care what mu we play, but we tell eachother the race we got because it isn't about fucking peoples builds over in the first few minutes
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If you're toss, say you're terran or something if you don't want to reveal your race. If you choose random, it's their responsibility to scout early, not yours to baby them.
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I always make sure that anyone who joins my game, picks a race. If they stay random, I'll say "race?". If they still say random, I ban them. If they change to random at the last minute after I start the countdown, I just leave.
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Now that you've had a day to think about this, do you still think it is worth all the trouble of reading/posting in a 22 page debate, pming mods, and waiting for two word replies just for 100 points? You probably could've won 2 games in that time span.
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On May 16 2009 14:39 XinRan wrote:
Now that you've had a day to think about this, do you still think it is worth all the trouble of reading/posting in a 22 page debate, pming mods, and waiting for two word replies just for 100 points? You probably could've won 2 games in that time span.
Yeah, I think it was worth it. I'd do it all again, just check my PMs in the afternoon now so I can go outside and scream at the top of my lungs.
The blog was just to vent and let out what I could not due to times.
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On May 16 2009 03:40 ishob wrote:
I hate people who call people picking random a cheap way to get an advantage. Ever thought that maybe some of us only play this game for fun?
if your only playing for fun then why is it such a big deal to tell your race? random people seem to take it pretty seriously that they don't want to give away their surprise advantage.
On May 16 2009 05:33 Oystein wrote:
The obvious solution here is to lie about your race. I mean if you refuse to play vs random then say so before you start the game or ask for race, not start it then when seeing him go random you leave. If people refuse to play vs random they deserve a lie, and always a lie that would work best for you.
i hope you're being sarcastic here. if your serious, then i would just mention that a lot of people don't pick their race until the countdown has already started. or, as has already mentioned, there are people that go random because they don't want to pick a race, but freely tell the opponent their race once it's been assigned to them, because they don't care about the surprise advantage.
it should be equally up to the random player to announce that he has no intention of telling his race, and once you find yourself in a game against a player who didn't want to be disadvantaged you shouldn't try to lie your way into a free win -_-
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On May 16 2009 05:53 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2009 05:33 Oystein wrote:
The obvious solution here is to lie about your race. I mean if you refuse to play vs random then say so before you start the game or ask for race, not start it then when seeing him go random you leave. If people refuse to play vs random they deserve a lie, and always a lie that would work best for you. the sarcasm was hard rather hard to pick up
I was dead serious. I have no problems with people who refuse to play vs random on iccup (tho I think its a bit retarded) its their loss when they face random people in tourneys\cws and have no clue what to do. However I hate when people start games and then leave because you chose random, if you refuse to play vs random then just ask for the race before the game or simply name the games NO RANDOM how hard is it. And I have myself complained several times on people leaving before the 2min mark when I steal gas etc, only out of spite since I don`t even receive any points myself I only get to give the other a penalty. Its not about points, its about principle!
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[QUOTE]On May 16 2009 14:47 a-game wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 16 2009 03:40 ishob wrote:
I hate people who call people picking random a cheap way to get an advantage. Ever thought that maybe some of us only play this game for fun?
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if your only playing for fun then why is it such a big deal to tell your race? random people seem to take it pretty seriously that they don't want to give away their surprise advantage.
Obviously because when you go random you dont have to play against that one build your opponent has perfected over and over. The dude you're playing actually has to do something different other than the standard FE pvz or 3 hatch muta -> 5 hatch hydra zvp etc.
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Oh the irony.
I won't be playing BW for at least 6 weeks.
3 broken fingers + 1 sprained wrist.
Frisbee accidents are always fun. lol.
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