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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1754 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-21 06:43:39
April 21 2009 04:54 GMT
#1
OMG
It's not been a week and I've played over 50 games. I have never mass-gamed this much.

O_O

How I got there
My rec now is 46-9, ranked B- with 6307 points.

I got a loss early on against a Zerg player on Destination. I picked Terran (offrace) because I thought I could 8-rax and then 1fact for a quick win. Turns out I was against a B+ Zerg just starting at D level. TT He went 9-pool and owned me hard. Then I won like 10 games straight. I had some near-misses due to carelessness but muta micro owned everyone.

Then I lost against two Koreans with super mech builds. :O Then I got brilliantly cheesed. Then won 10 games straight. Then started losing a couple.

I'm currently 3rd, right behind lastshadow. I played lastshadow once and beat him actually. He faked a mech build and used a fast tank rush on me but I muta-micro'ed for the win. I was thinking, 'I thought lastshadow hacked and sucked without hacks', but he was actually kind of decent. His strategy was a fail against mine, but I imagine with a good strategy he might actually have a chance against me. He gg'ed as well, showing some manner. I was impressed. Lastshadow was not a total ass that I thought he'd be. I'm pretty confident I can beat him if I met him again.

I got to where I am by playing mainly ZvT's, my strongest matchup. I've played 40 or so ZvT's on Destination. It's possibly the most fun map ever.

Why ZvT on Destination is fun
There are so many strategic options for the Terran. Even the 8-rax rush can be executed in so many ways. In between nat and ramp-expo, behind the main, in between the main and the nat, in the middle of the map, in his ramp-expo... The possibilities are endless. Then there is the follow-up. 1fac1star, 1fac expo, 2fac, 1fac2star, 3rax all-in, mine the mineral behind base and sneak vultures in, push marines and vultures and sneak a vulture in, sneak a 5hp vulture in and kill 15 drones.

It's so fun having to think strategically and guessing what the Terran is thinking. I must have been cheesed in every possible form. Every time something new came up I usually lost. I've seen a BBS build that was pretty clever. Against good players, the mind games are not very typical. They'll make sure you get tricked and even if you see it, they thought it through, so they have very good follow-ups. Against bad players, it's easy to spot a cheese and their follow-ups suck.

I'm not being sarcastic at all actually. It's fun having to counter these various strategies and actually having to think during a game.

My ZvT is B+ level?
I beat some good players who topped B, B+ in previous seasons. When I won, I had good control of the game and had a feeling I'd win, so I don't think it's luck. Plus, it's happened a number of times. Once I get to Hive against non-mech, I usually win the game. That's usually because of my muta harass, which has improved recently. I'll kill a bunch of scvs, a bunch of marines, a bunch of turrets, and pretty soon I'm ahead. Stall with lurkers, expo, stall with defilers, ram with 12 ultras and win.

Mech is fun
Mech builds are fun to counter. I love the moments when a vulture tries to run by my sim city thinking they can squeeze between two diagonally placed buildings but of course they can't so they do a dance before the sunken colony takes them out. Sometimes they'll do a fantasy build and do early vulture drop but I'll block it and go in with 9 mutas and there's no defense at home. Good players will have some golies and turrets and (gasp) a Valkyrie. Valks are kind of tricky to deal with. I can't do damage I want because of them. But usually Terran builds too many, like 3 or 4, so I just mass Hydras. They don't have enough tanks and muta + hydra rape gols + valks.

Problems
One problem is handling late-game mech. Late-game marine+med+vessel is easy to handle because I've played it so many times. I don't have enough experience against late-game mech. I just don't know what to do. I expo, I build mutas, build hydras, but they mass golies, tanks, and vessels and just roll me. I try to counter but that usually fails too. I'm going to have to study that a bit more.

Not enough games at B- level
It's much harder to find games at this level. Good thing is I made a friend who I can play. He's at B- and he's okay. Also, I might have to play zvz and zvp because of the lack of games. O_O. TBH, I think my zvz is C level and my zvp is C+ level.

But as long as I can find Terran opponents I think I can get to B+ before the end of the Valor tournament.

Replays
I'll release all my Valor replays later, but here's a fun one.

This Terran basically pulled all the TvZ cards that you see on Destination in one, giant, long, strategy. Everything's there except the 8-rax. He goes two fact vultures + speed for run by, makes a wraith, upgrades mines, makes dropship for 4-vulture drop, and builds a valkyrie for muta defense. But Starcraft is fair. If you can do all these things, then necessarily, your strategy must admit a weakness: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/4422/replays/notables/0854 VALStRyKeRZ vvT.rep

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Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Amaroq
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States59 Posts
April 21 2009 05:02 GMT
#2
good luck to you
effort, savior, and JD hwaiting
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
April 21 2009 05:08 GMT
#3
Why not start ZvZing at least, your improved muta micro should net you wins in that matchup.
props for the ZvT though, I've always had trouble with that matchup.
Entusman #12
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 21 2009 05:15 GMT
#4
ya, Gretorp says your zvt is really good.. but it's always funny to see people who are mone mu wonders, like that one guy playa who is like B+ level pvt but thats the only mu he plays.

if you got all of your matchups to your zvt level you'd be a really strong player =P!
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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
April 21 2009 05:27 GMT
#5
ZvZ more, it's the funnest matchup n_n Although I guess killing dirty Terrans would be pretty awesome, too.
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
April 21 2009 05:33 GMT
#6
On April 21 2009 14:27 iCCup.deL wrote:
ZvZ more, it's the funnest matchup n_n Although I guess killing dirty Terrans would be pretty awesome, too.

The only entertaining part of ZvZ is the early game tension. The games are always similar and short, and if they somehow last past 10 minutes they end up being the most boring Z match imo.
Entusman #12
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
April 21 2009 05:40 GMT
#7
practice tvz instead of zvz
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
April 21 2009 05:56 GMT
#8
Would it be asking too much to request a rep pack? I really hate ZvT desti and want to see how to handle all of the varieties of mech builds.

Also, excellent work and good luck in Valor.
stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
April 21 2009 06:11 GMT
#9
b- with less than 10 loss is amazing!
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Daveed
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States236 Posts
April 21 2009 06:54 GMT
#10
too much starcraft - go play tennis
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
April 21 2009 07:24 GMT
#11
you actually like destination zvt

wow, that's a first
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deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
April 21 2009 07:42 GMT
#12
On April 21 2009 14:33 littlechava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2009 14:27 iCCup.deL wrote:
ZvZ more, it's the funnest matchup n_n Although I guess killing dirty Terrans would be pretty awesome, too.

The only entertaining part of ZvZ is the early game tension. The games are always similar and short, and if they somehow last past 10 minutes they end up being the most boring Z match imo.


To watch sure it's boring but when playing I like it because it's fast and usually aggressive and you can read the play very easily. Scouting is easy, you know what your opponent is doing quite easily - it's just a different feeling in the game. Knowing where you stand and what you need to do is nice for a change of pace from all the secretive P and T players :3
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
April 21 2009 08:59 GMT
#13
Good luck!
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
April 21 2009 12:40 GMT
#14
doesnt the valor tournament turn into a tournament later? better hope you get terran opponents i guess if your doing this =)
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
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