Im having trouble currently with a 4 hatch hydra bo. This guy makes 3 bases to my fe bo. So i try to mass up a zealot archon bo, and hts for storm, and once i noticed him going very hydra heavy, should i have not morphed archon at all? cuz sometimes zerg gets mutas to snipe hts. so i just get one archon anyways, and hts for storming, but my army is pathetic compared to his, how to stop this?! if i dont stop him, he'll just expand and stuff. how do i match his army he dodges my storms a lot better than the usual zerg noobs. should i get a mix of zealots and goons for support and hts?

any constructive criticism is appreciated!

in pvz usually my army trumps the zerg, unless hes c or better i usually have smaller army. when exactly should my protoss ball be complete?

so i can roll over zerg rather than having zerg overrun me?
http://fighterreplays.com/starcraft/replays/de0034

micronesia

United States24741 Posts

March 22 2009 01:21 GMT

Without watching the replay I can make the following comment: if you have observed him massing hydras, then you don't need to worry about having an archon to repel the mutas until much later (and that probably won't happen).

Raz0r

United States287 Posts

March 22 2009 01:26 GMT

On March 22 2009 10:21 micronesia wrote:
Without watching the replay I can make the following comment: if you have observed him massing hydras, then you don't need to worry about having an archon to repel the mutas until much later (and that probably won't happen).

i got the replay there -_-

FaTe)SoL

Canada110 Posts

March 22 2009 01:30 GMT

I can't get the replay to work either. It just shows up as a chart and the download button doesn't do anything

micronesia

United States24741 Posts

March 22 2009 01:34 GMT

On March 22 2009 10:26 Raz0r wrote:

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i got the replay there -_-

Oh nono I'm just saying that's a comment I can make based on your description, even without taking the time to watch the replay... it shouldn't be a particularly controversial issue.

edit: FaTe)SoL the dl button works for me

Divinek

Canada4045 Posts

March 22 2009 01:34 GMT

Obviously you need to work on your macro.

But more to the point of your actual question is just you need to learn how to pick fights. If you see him massing a ton of shit, pressuring isnt going to do anything but lose you your army, which is exactly what happened to you. Just expand behind your army instead of expanding while attacking when he's going to overpower you when you try to be offensive.

Almost every fight you decided to fight it going in where it was obvious you were going to lose.

Sonu

Canada577 Posts

March 22 2009 01:38 GMT

well imo:
1. keep making corsairs. they basically redeem the base air unit cuz scouts are... only good in some cases to say the least. Use them for scouting, and when against mutalisks attack the middle of the bunch. The energy oval will hit every muta. If the muta's split then attack the biggest bunch and work ur way down. Mid-late game you can go overlord hunting.

2. Archons are your best friends. They work against any zerg unit.

3. for agaisnt hydras its ok to have a few archons but ur should have 90% speed lots. they ow. MAKE SURE THEY ARE UPGRADED !!!!!!!! thats the key to killing mass hydras.

4. Cannon up on ur choke. this helps defend against the inital push.
5. Get obs! the hydras could be used for lurkers! and then get goons for against the lurkers (with range)

Hope that helps

Divinek

Canada4045 Posts

March 22 2009 01:43 GMT

On March 22 2009 10:38 Sonu wrote:
well imo:
1. keep making corsairs. they basically redeem the base air unit cuz scouts are... only good in some cases to say the least. Use them for scouting, and when against mutalisks attack the middle of the bunch. The energy oval will hit every muta. If the muta's split then attack the biggest bunch and work ur way down. Mid-late game you can go overlord hunting.

2. Archons are your best friends. They work against any zerg unit.

3. for agaisnt hydras its ok to have a few archons but ur should have 90% speed lots. they ow. MAKE SURE THEY ARE UPGRADED !!!!!!!! thats the key to killing mass hydras.

4. Cannon up on ur choke. this helps defend against the inital push.
5. Get obs! the hydras could be used for lurkers! and then get goons for against the lurkers (with range)

Hope that helps

You're telling him to mass corsairs and archons when he sees a mass hydra build...ok. That or you didn't really read his post and are giving general pvz advice, fantastic.

"2. Archons are your best friends. They work against any zerg unit. "

No they do not work well against hydras.

d(O.o)a

Canada5066 Posts

March 22 2009 02:01 GMT

Can people get an X for blogs too? Seriously that is some of the worst PvZ advise I have seen in a VERY long time >_>

micronesia

United States24741 Posts

March 22 2009 02:06 GMT

#10

On March 22 2009 11:01 d(O.o)a wrote:
Can people get an X for blogs too? Seriously that is some of the worst PvZ advise I have seen in a VERY long time >_>

Perhaps, but this post is completely full of fail!

First you suggest blogbans (albeit you aren't serious about that I assume), then you complain about the advice (in a very flamboyant manner imo)... then you don't offer any!

I'll stick with the "start by making cannons over your ramp" post over yours any day.

d(O.o)a

Canada5066 Posts

March 22 2009 02:12 GMT

#11

On March 22 2009 11:06 micronesia wrote:

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I was joking about blog bans. The reason I didn't offer any advise is because I don't want to give advise without watching the replay. I don't have enough time now to actually analyze it.

inertinept

Bangladesh1195 Posts

March 22 2009 02:51 GMT

#12

actually i recently played a PvZ vs this exact BO in a tourney today

http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=9277&name=detonate vs Babysitters.rep

hope that helps, B+ zerg

cliffnotes:

if you see him going 4 hatch before gas, i dont recommend corsairs as he is most likely putting up a quick den. get your gateways up quick to match his macro.

reavers/storm are god vs macro zerg builds

as soon as you see lurkers, start dragoon range and start mixing your army more. take 3rd as soon as you have advantage(through harass or whatever)