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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
I mean, Iccup is only a recreational ladder after all, I only play at the D/D+ level so I don't see how it's a big deal. I can understand in leagues and tournaments it is because that's just another difficult obstacle to master, learning all the hotkeys for all the different units and being able to quickly use them. Thoughts?   | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
Your statement about it not mattering doesn't make as much sense though. If you are at all trying to improve you are kinda shooting yourself in the foot. Also the community is probably about to shitstorm on you. | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On March 20 2009 03:54 cgrinker wrote: I'm pretty sure that it gives you an unfair advantage, though whether you remap your keyboard is up to you. Your statement about it not mattering doesn't make as much sense though. If you are at all trying to improve you are kinda shooting yourself in the foot. Also the community is probably about to shitstorm on you. I didn't know where the community stood on this, so that's why I asked. I found the guide on this website which linked to a gosugamers article so I thought maybe it was something that wasn't frowned upon. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
but sc2 will probably have built-in remappable hotkeys so if you're playing BW in anticipation of SC2, i'd say stick to it | ||
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
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Xeofreestyler
Belgium6772 Posts
On March 20 2009 04:09 liger13 wrote: ahh... i kinda hope they don add it in sc2... i like how every1 has to use the same hotkeys, but for SC1, you wouldnt be able to play in any tourneys... Actually giving everyone the exact same hotkeys is unfair there's more than one type of keyboard y'know | ||
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On March 20 2009 04:17 Xeofreestyler wrote: Actually giving everyone the exact same hotkeys is unfair there's more than one type of keyboard y'know hmm, good point.... its just has always been a good feeling that the pros use the same hotkeys as i do  although how their used is a little different | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
On March 20 2009 04:17 Xeofreestyler wrote: Actually giving everyone the exact same hotkeys is unfair there's more than one type of keyboard y'know How many are there? I only know about AZERTY from MoC's plugin. I shouldn't think it would be too difficult to standardize if there only a few keyboards to accommodate. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
Everyone has the option to do it... it doesn't change gameplay besides making it more comfortable for you hands because Pylon hotkey is in a stupid position. For Sc1 though, because it isn't built in.... you have problems cropping up. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On March 20 2009 04:26 Durak wrote: How many are there? I only know about AZERTY from MoC's plugin. I shouldn't think it would be too difficult to standardize if there only a few keyboards to accommodate. qwerty, qwertz, azerty, off of the top of my head. Wikipedia tells me that there are a ton for east asia as well as the middle east: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
I'm sure the majority of people use qwerty. If you don't, then you could buy a $5 qwerty keyboard and/or sc2 could accommodate a few other widely used keyboards. | ||
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SaRangHaE
United States182 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
Hungarian is qwertz and also the numbers are 0123..89 instead of 123...890 I started using English keyboard just to adjust to it | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32080 Posts
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On March 20 2009 04:54 Durak wrote: I was wondering how many people actually have problems with though. There are foreign pros from all different countries playing SC so obviously they've found a way to deal with it. I'm sure the majority of people use qwerty. If you don't, then you could buy a $5 qwerty keyboard and/or sc2 could accommodate a few other widely used keyboards. Very very few people have REAL problems with hotkeys but it is a matter of comfort. Seeing as changing hotkeys doesn't actually give you an ingame advantage, I never saw the problem with it... or what anyone elses problem is with it. | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On March 20 2009 05:43 il0seonpurpose wrote: Can you explain your keyboard format? Qwerty I changed all abilities to W E R, Q as patrol everything else now has a grid layout Did it mainly because I wanted to switch from P to T and eventually to Z and I found it too annoying as a beginner to learn the hotkeys for every unit and building and every game I played just became painful instead of fun and I could no longer macro with any efficiency so I figured having universal hotkeys for all 3 races would make it easier and I could play at a higher level without having to spend hours learning all the hotkeys and I'm having fun again What Nony said pretty much applies to me | ||
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rredtooth
5460 Posts
the general consensus has been yes its cheating. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On March 20 2009 04:55 freelander wrote: yeah Hungarian is qwertz and also the numbers are 0123..89 instead of 123...890 I started using English keyboard just to adjust to it I thought I was the only hungarian that used the English layout, damn you  My father's old laptop couldn't handle QWERTZ (actually the hungarian letters but w/e), and because I started playing SC on that, I learned hotkeys on the English layout. For Protoss, the Z would be much more convenient there... (sucks for zerg players though). I actually like that I have control group 0 next to the 9 button, instead of having it next to 1. That'd be bothersome. | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32080 Posts
On March 20 2009 04:02 Liquid`NonY wrote: if you're purely a recreational player, i think it's fine. but any form of competition that you do, no matter how small, will be tainted. it's unfair but sc2 will probably have built-in remappable hotkeys so if you're playing BW in anticipation of SC2, i'd say stick to it Seeing as you're the only big-name gamer in here, care to elaborate on why you think it's unfair?? | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
As for in competition situations - I'll use myself for an example (ignore how bad I am momentarily). I play T. Usually I hotkey 1 to my CC and 2-3 my early rax. Right now I stretch my hand so my ring finger is on 2 and my thumb is on m. Imagine I could remap the keys so that I had "w" as my marine hotkey. So much easier no? Stuff like that. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On March 20 2009 06:20 redtooth wrote: this has been spoken about a few times. the general consensus has been yes its cheating. there is no general consensus | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Like people said some keyboards are inherently different than yours, who's to say who has the original 'real' non cheating setup in the first place. Some of these keyboards take extra commands to do the same thing on a regular qwerty keyboard. Warcraft 3 has a built in key changer. You can change ANY hotkey in the game, spell level upgrades, units, buildings, etc. Sc2 will also have this support. Lets look at some other games, Streetfighter has always allowed button mapping, FPS's all allow it, Hell 95% of all games allow it. So how is it cheating at all? It's no more cheating than using chaos launcher imo. People are just butthurt and lazy that they learned the crappy blizzard hotkeys and realize now that it would be more efficient to customize them but don't want to be bothered. PS- There is a drawback to mapping so many hotkeys, you get used to them and when you go anywhere else you're gonna have to map them all out everytime (or might not even be able to). | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On March 20 2009 11:03 CharlieMurphy wrote: people who say this is cheating are fucking stupid. Great way to convince me, call me fucking stupid in your first sentence. I'm not sure why you would go through the lengths of writing such a long post and then starting it that way... | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
Additionally each localization of SC has it's own hotkeys which depending on race can be better than the english ones. I'm all for allowing people to change their kb layout regardless of competition. But I think it's stupid to have that conversation over and over. We have never reached a general consensus, and we won't until SC2 which surely will have custom keys and probably use a hotkey layout which maps to the buttons by default. | ||
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