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Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
March 01 2009 18:30 GMT
#1
Before the games:

On March 01 2009 13:09 Fzero wrote:
Since I've been watching so many games on these maps, I thought I'd offer a little bit of background before this thing kicks off:

First of all we need to cover the fact that Andromeda is being played twice (1 + 5). What does this mean? Well, not much for ZvP. The only advantage I can see here is that the map features many harass positions and horrible defensive positions for P. Plus and minus means balance. Jaedong has shown an inability to finish off late game opponents on Andromeda. Bisu could steal this game, honestly. Everyone screaming that this will be 3-0 JD are just wrong. Bisu will either win this game or Medusa or both.

Game 2 is interesting as well. Jaedong showed very strong play on Destination before against Bisu with a hydra/muta combo from a solid uphill 3 base turtle style into a punishing denial of a 3rd for Bisu as his army moved out from the main. Bisu must have strong harassment to win this map, but I don't like his style on this map. His third expansion is far too hard to defend from mid game zerg and his timing attack fails against the 3rd JD is sure to take early. Bisu could surprise JD by not going 14 nex to make this interesting, but I think JD takes this one.

Game 3 is Medusa. The only way I see Bisu losing this game is if Jaedong somehow gets on 5 bases without Bisu noticing the fifth and then manages to contain Bisu in his main from that. This map is basically crafted for Bisu's style. The only time Bisu ever looked lost on this map was against by.hero who continually exploited a hydra drop strategy which kept Bisu from moving out and stalling that 5th expansion.

Game 4 is Colosseum II which grossly favors the macro player. In this match, though -- I don't find either player to be particularly macro focused. I think Bisu will stall at 2 bases while JD takes 3 and attempt a timing push based on JD's high drone count. If his attack suceeds, he'll win. If JD gets his mutas out in time to pick off HT as they cross the middle, I think he can defend it. If Bisu loses this map the series is over in my opinion.

Whether it is 3-1 JD or 2-2 at this point does not really matter, in a fifth game on Andromeda I don't think Bisu has the same mind strength as Jaedong to prevail. The only way Bisu takes a fifth game here is in a 50 minute slugfest where Jaedong sweats himself out of form a la FBH game.

My prediction: 3-1 JD with Bisu's win on Medusa as I've stated before.



After the Games:

Game 1: Epic struggle from JD to avoid Bisu's strategic timing attacks and harass. Bisu was 1 step ahead the whole game and JD had a difficult time securing expansions as Bisu never really had any threat to his army. JD's drop failures and failure to contain meant that Bisu could stop his 4th before it kicked in and his timing drop on the island was also key. JD never had a chance to stop Bisu's army and while his own harass was effective at times, he could not stop Bisu's air or ground dominance.

Game 2: Bisu lost too many corsairs to have the ability to scout shuttle lanes on the map. His build is heavily reliant on damage much more so than the stargate --> citadel build. The inability of Bisu to protect his first shuttle and first two corsairs slowed his timing so much. I pretty much expected this exact result on the map, because I feel like this is more of a macro map than it first seems. Bisu needed to gain ground control and take a third instead of trying for reavers. His harass play couldn't contain JD and JD's map control was just incredible here.

Game 3: Bisu was never going to lose Medusa. As I said before, Bisu's timing on his map is impeccable and the only reason he ever loses on this map is when he is hit for the first time by a new strategy. I don't think JD had enough creativity here to outcute Bisu.

Game 4: This was also pretty obvious to me. I don't like how people consider toss to have the advantage here. No toss plays like BeSt does on this map. Bisu doesn't have it in him to play defense on 3 bases for 10 minutes.

Game 5: Zzzzz. I predicted a JD win here too, but I didn't think it would come like this. Overall, amazing series I have to say. I just wish this ling runby happened in game 1 and not game 5.

Did it live up to the hype? I think so. We clearly still don't know who the best player is right now. Some kind of King of the Races Round Robin needs to happen between Bisu Flash and JD. I think I might stop watching SC after that event though, so maybe not.


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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 01 2009 18:34 GMT
#2
imho the games were not that good, each one of them was a complete rape, and it basically alternated: bisu won one game, then jaedong the next and then bisu again.

It was and exhibition match clearly, it was good, but not as mind-blowing as I would have expected. Perhaps it's my fault, since I'm not such a big admirer of PvZ.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 01 2009 18:36 GMT
#3
don't get me wrong, the level of play was sky high, but the excitement factor, meh; it didn't seem like the game hangs on a thin thread too often, or at least I was unaware of it
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
March 01 2009 18:36 GMT
#4
Great analysis.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-01 18:52:29
March 01 2009 18:49 GMT
#5
Brag :D

And as Minus_human said none of the games were trully epic

The most close was game 1 and it was still quite clear that Bisu was ahead during the whole game
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 01 2009 18:56 GMT
#6
don't capitalize my name ITS A SIN!!!11
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-01 18:58:32
March 01 2009 18:57 GMT
#7
The reason bisu lost the 4th game is not really his fail with the 2 zealots rush, he never scouted JD's build and played in the dark, he got lucky to scout Jaedong on medusa and I really think the legend killer lost the game right there, you dont allow bisu to scout your build, the game on neo harmony was pretty much the same, bisu always knew what JD was going to do and countered perfectly. All in all I have sort of awkward feeling after the series
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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 01 2009 19:08 GMT
#8
On March 02 2009 03:57 disciple wrote:
The reason bisu lost the 4th game is not really his fail with the 2 zealots rush, he never scouted JD's build and played in the dark, he got lucky to scout Jaedong on medusa and I really think the legend killer lost the game right there, you dont allow bisu to scout your build, the game on neo harmony was pretty much the same, bisu always knew what JD was going to do and countered perfectly. All in all I have sort of awkward feeling after the series



like it was somewhat 'rigged'?
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
March 01 2009 19:30 GMT
#9
i disliked game 5. :/
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
March 01 2009 19:53 GMT
#10
On March 02 2009 04:30 Raithed wrote:
i disliked game 5. :/



it was one of those truly WTF moments, but in a disappointing way for everyone ( I think even people who aren't Bisu fans will agree that it would have been much better if the game wouldn't have ended so suddenly -.-)
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
March 01 2009 20:00 GMT
#11
I don't really hate the fact that the last game was a disappointment. I'd rather see a rematch in the OSL, for instance, where everyone believes these two players are evenly matched (because they are) and thus the excitement is at an all time high.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
March 01 2009 20:13 GMT
#12
Game 5 was sooooooooooooooo disappointing it's not even funny. Was expecting EPICNESS and got a hold position loss.

It would've been cool if Bisu and Jaedong "replayed" the 5th game (but Jaedong still gets the prize & recognition for winning even if Bisu won).

Oh well. We will have to wait for the OSL finals.... HOPEFULLY.
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 01 2009 20:42 GMT
#13
You made some pretty spot-on predictions FZero, nice one.
If you blogged about the OSL games, that'd be wicked.

To the people above, I didn't really find the 5th game disappointing. To me it was just.... Starcraft. The reason the game is so great is that stuff like this can happen. I wouldn't have been disappointed if Bisu had proxy 2-gated and won either.
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
March 01 2009 20:45 GMT
#14
Having epic games with 2 players at such a high skill level is unlikely.

Players like that don't give up early game advantages, that's why it looked so one sided.
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
March 01 2009 23:44 GMT
#15
true as hell jayme.
omfghi2u2
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States831 Posts
March 02 2009 00:40 GMT
#16
I concur
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 02 2009 02:51 GMT
#17
Oddly enough Bisus defensive mind failed in the most important map for that, as you said Coloseum is more suitable for a less agresive play early, i really think Bisu should have won the serie here.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 02 2009 02:54 GMT
#18
On March 02 2009 04:08 minus_human wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 03:57 disciple wrote:
The reason bisu lost the 4th game is not really his fail with the 2 zealots rush, he never scouted JD's build and played in the dark, he got lucky to scout Jaedong on medusa and I really think the legend killer lost the game right there, you dont allow bisu to scout your build, the game on neo harmony was pretty much the same, bisu always knew what JD was going to do and countered perfectly. All in all I have sort of awkward feeling after the series



like it was somewhat 'rigged'?

Omg guyz Lomo threw the...wait, nvm.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 02 2009 05:12 GMT
#19
Great post, but you missed mentioning the failed ling runby in game 1 which is the entire reason jaedong was far behind all game
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Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
March 02 2009 16:20 GMT
#20
I know, I hate talking about build order fuckups.. it is boring to read for me so I figure it would bore other people too. XD sorry Steve
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