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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
I mean, isn't a pool first build pretty standard on Tau Cross because of that choke, so shouldn't they expect early lings? Am I just playing sub par terrans? I dunno, I haven't played like more than 3 games of ICCUP since like season 2, where I got D+ and stopped, so maybe it's always like this late in the season? On a bright note, yay, I'm D+ again! When does the season end? Might try for C- if I have some time.   | ||
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tdotkrayz
United States136 Posts
So no, I'm not surprised at all that overpool > D- terrans | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 19 2009 13:53 tdotkrayz wrote: Dude, anything > D- terrans. If they're playing at a D- level, they should be playing protoss so they can just 1a2a3a their way to victory. Sorry, couldn't help myself there... So no, I'm not surprised at all that overpool > D- terrans Because D- is the same thing as D | ||
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
On February 19 2009 13:53 tdotkrayz wrote: Dude, anything > D- terrans. If they're playing at a D- level, they should be playing protoss so they can just 1a2a3a their way to victory. Sorry, couldn't help myself there... So no, I'm not surprised at all that overpool > D- terrans Well, not D- Terrans, just D. =D And like I said, they have decent micro/mechanics, but what confuses me is that they're like..... stupid. I dunno, that my be a bit harsh, but it seems like everyone has this super macro mindset nowadays. Btw, this blog doesn't really have a point. I know that at my level, I shouldn't be expecting super intelligent play or anything. Just kinda bored, so thought I'd vent a bit, and be happy with my D+. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
scouting is very lacking at that level of terran, scv production is as well adaptation to diff builds is a huge thing most terrans at that level lack and the ability to marine micro in marine vs ling skirmishes. early lings pose a large threat to terran esp if he went 1 marine cc. most terrans expect their marines to be extremely strong, using them offensively even when they only have about 5 with no medics, and end up getting raped by 8 lings. but at that level, you can probably expect to rip thru terrans by... backstabbing with lings when they try to contain you with first marine medic force. backstabbing with lurkling army when terran is outside lurker dropping 4 pool (omg so deadly) 9 pool speedlings 3 hatch speedlings mutaling all-in and w/e. most of these come from the lack of scouting. | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On February 19 2009 13:53 tdotkrayz wrote: Dude, anything > D- terrans. If they're playing at a D- level, they should be playing protoss so they can just 1a2a3a their way to victory. Sorry, couldn't help myself there... So no, I'm not surprised at all that overpool > D- terrans HAR HAR HAR! AN ORIGINAL 1A2A3A JOKE LULZ! (-_-;; ) | ||
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
This blog is gonna get derailed into 1a2a3a bash any minute now. | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
If you don't scout the right way, you have to memorize the timing in which a 9 pool would arrive and bring scvs to wall at that time. so you have a combination of semi-difficult memorization with the fact that most D zergs 12 hatch. So a D terran can afford to shrug off a 9 pool loss | ||
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
I'm so outdated. | ||
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
TvZ is ridiculously difficult at low levels. It's not just because of the mechanics, but there's just so many things zerg can do to screw over terran, as ramen noted. What can terrans do? Bunker rush, 4-rax all in, fast dropship... and that's about it. | ||
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v-.-v
Canada28 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + it evens works on pro-gamers, hyvva raped by.SaiR last night in winners league with overpool cuz by.SaiR went cc first. Not like he got an advantage, I mean he ended the game in 3 minutes, pretty sad for a progamer if you ask me t.t | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On February 19 2009 14:05 B1nary wrote: I'm a bnet level Terran and yeah, overpool (and just about anything else, for that matter) totally rapes me. I usually scout after rax and if it's a 4-player map, the lings will arrive just before I scout the last position. With bnet latency, I find it impossible microing 2 rines against 6 lings and it's usually game over for me right then and there. Now, I usually block my ramp with a few SCVs just in case if I scout the zerg last. TvZ is ridiculously difficult at low levels. It's not just because of the mechanics, but there's just so many things zerg can do to screw over terran, as ramen noted. What can terrans do? Bunker rush, 4-rax all in, fast dropship... and that's about it. tvz and tvp really have a steep learning curve, and you see it reflected in D level play. Oh well. That's what makes terran so fun to play (and why terrans tend to be near homicidal when it comes to protoss) | ||
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inertinept
Bangladesh1195 Posts
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On February 19 2009 13:59 Conquest101 wrote: lol This blog is gonna get derailed into 1a2a3a bash any minute now. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On February 19 2009 14:04 Conquest101 wrote: Ehhh, most zergs 12 hatch on Tau Cross too? T.T I'm so outdated. no i doubt most z 12 hatch on tau | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
7a8a9a awesome. zerg 12 hatch on tau is asking to be cannon rushed/mannar pylonzored. | ||
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
Right, that's kinda my point. I was playing Tau Cross all these games, so I would think that Terrans would EXPECT a pool first build. That's why I was surprised. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
That's what I'd do... Terran players are generally terrible anywhere up to C imo... edit: In response to the 4-pool comment, I 4-pooled my way into D+ on my MS natural keyboard lol ^^ | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On February 19 2009 15:52 Grobyc wrote: I'd much rather deal with a 4pool or 9pool speedlings or whatever on Tau/Longinus than 2gate goons TvP. Jesus fucking christ, I never win TvP on that map, early goons are way too strong without a ramp or proper way to wall... Can you not wall outside of your natural? | ||
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
On February 19 2009 15:44 Cambium wrote: Maybe he depot'd your choke to DELAY the lings? That's what I'd do... Terran players are generally terrible anywhere up to C imo... edit: In response to the 4-pool comment, I 4-pooled my way into D+ on my MS natural keyboard lol ^^ Haha, well, one would think that, except that my scouting drone ran into a marine heading towards my nat ^_^. Ah well, maybe I'll get some PvZ's later and get 1a2a3a'd to death. =D | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On February 19 2009 15:52 Grobyc wrote: I'd much rather deal with a 4pool or 9pool speedlings or whatever on Tau/Longinus than 2gate goons TvP. Jesus fucking christ, I never win TvP on that map, early goons are way too strong without a ramp or proper way to wall... Either make more marines, or get siege first. And you can wall, at the nat. I don't even bother walling though, I just get a faster fac and make 4-5 rines. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 19 2009 14:01 Butigroove wrote: bashing the 1a2a3a joke is getting more annoying than the actual joke already But the joke can't be bashed if it isn't made? o_O | ||
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jinwoooooooo
United States176 Posts
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On February 19 2009 15:52 Grobyc wrote: I'd much rather deal with a 4pool or 9pool speedlings or whatever on Tau/Longinus than 2gate goons TvP. Jesus fucking christ, I never win TvP on that map, early goons are way too strong without a ramp or proper way to wall... You can 1 depot wall at the bottom position in your main. You can 1 depot wall the outside of your main choke at top right. You only need a 2 depot wall at the left spot (if someone knows something better, please tell me). Those depots will also make it a lot harder for your units to get out later in the game. And you can at least wall goon tight everywhere with 1 depot+rax. Still annoying to deal with though  . | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On February 19 2009 13:53 tdotkrayz wrote: Dude, anything > D- terrans. If they're playing at a D- level, they should be playing protoss so they can just 1a2a3a their way to victory. Sorry, couldn't help myself there... So no, I'm not surprised at all that overpool > D- terrans I am absolutely convinced you're a troll. | ||
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[AhunGrY]MelOn
United States357 Posts
its surprising how many d terrans die to late early lings im a d+ with pretty much 0% winrate in zvt that goes beyond the first 5 minutes but i get enough wins with lings from kwanro build to keep my d+ | ||
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