edit: at least i can find some equinox in the fact that mindcrime is my smurf
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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extracheez
Australia151 Posts
On February 16 2009 10:10 yoshtodd wrote: I pretty much grew up without religion and never really felt like I was missing out on anything. When occasionally my Mom would take us to church I found it to be silly, embarrassing, and sometimes a bit frightening. Growing up I felt revulsion and distrust of the glassy eyed, self righteous breed of religious zealot I occasionally came across. I learned to respect reason and knowledge and for a long time that seemed to be satisfactory enough, as far as the search for meaning goes. At this point in my life it no longer feels adequate. I've had a personal taste of just how clumsily science currently deals with matters of the emotions and the soul. It is precisely these areas of my life that are in need of mending, and I believe that at least as of now science does not contain any true remedy. It seems to be fashionable these days to despise religion. I went through a phase of feeling that way but now I'm beginning to think that I don't understand it well enough to be in any place to judge. I've tried attending (Buddhist) church a few times recently but I just feel so disingenuous and awkward. Little bits of the teaching really resonate with me but others I just want to reject as pure nonsense. I'm just tired of not believing in anything and finding my existence to be totally meaningless. My confidence and strength have been ground away into nothing, and I feel as though I require something that lies beyond the material world, to keep my feet moving forward. Fashionable to hate religion? Maybe where you live. Around here pretty much everyone looks down on me for being an atheist lol. I do understand what you mean to some extent, I meet very few atheists who actually have no faith for a decent reason. I find it really frustrating when people tell me that as an atheist I have no morals and no reason for existence. When in fact the very thing I want to study when I go to college is how our morals evolved from when we were primitive to how they are now. As for a reason to exist... feels good man. Is it not enough to want to live a happy life, accomplish some goals, meets the one, have kids, die, do I have to be on a mission from the big man up stairs to feel complete? I say make your own mission! If you are missing something in your life, FIND IT YOURSELF. There is no need to go to a church and have people tell you how things are, find out yourself! I can tell you countless stories of my friends who travel and volunteer work at missions ect. First of all I think before you jump on the search for a religion, you need to understand this science that you think is heading down the wrong road... go read some books on anything that interests you. If its why we are here or why do I have an empty feeling? Try some philosophy or psychology. Secondly, if you feel empty, do some hard work to fill that emptiness with anything you think could make you happy. Go skydiving. Run a marathon. Go help at your local volunteer center :shrug: I dono its your life. I generally leave the religious folk alone, I don't like imposing my views on anyone... I just... I hate to hear "Life has no meaning without religion", because its false. Its just harder to find meaning in your life without religion, because you have to search for it, its not handed to you on a silver platter. Think for yourself man ![]() EDIT: One of the other posters who was christian and said that religion is about reaching god is right, if your looking for a religion your doing it wrong. I've had many discussions with various Christians and Catholics and you can really tell when someone has real faith... its... not blind faith... they see their faith in everything... gah I don't know how to explain it any better than that... but yeah, the best way I can explain it is when I look at a plant and think of all the cells and mathematical equations and I KNOW all this stuff is real because I've seen it, tested its logic and there is no other way, they look at the plant and know its gods because they have seen it, tested its logic and know there is no other way. I was raised catholic and was very devout up until my teen years where I was torn between science and religion. Knowledge and belief. What I realized is that you cant just believe in god, you have to know him. Considering I only knew science, I formally announced myself an atheist, much to my families horror ;D | ||
conCentrate9
United States438 Posts
On February 16 2009 10:23 IdrA wrote: i describe what the religion itself claims happened and its so absurd its perceived as an attack. HE READ GOLDEN TABLETS WRITTEN IN A LANGUAGE HE DIDNT KNOW WITH THE HELP OF A ROCK IN A FUCKING HAT AND HE WOULDNT LET ANYONE ELSE SEE THE TABLETS That is all. | ||
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
he didn't misrepresent, he stated what the religion states in a sarcastic tone if what the religion stated was obviously true, idra would look the fool ex: LOL HE SAID THE EARTH IS ROUND AND IT ISNT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE. AND LOL OBJECTS TEND TO STAY IN MOTION AND DONT FUCKING STOP. | ||
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On February 16 2009 12:52 extracheez wrote: I was raised catholic and was very devout up until my teen years where I was torn between science and religion. Knowledge and belief. What I realized is that you cant just believe in god, you have to know him. Considering I only knew science, I formally announced myself an atheist, much to my families horror ;D HOHO REASON DEFEATS DOGMA tuna is pleased | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
hows that an attack? im being entirely serious, that is exactly what mormons themselves say happened. well i guess they usually dont call it a fucking hat | ||
BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On February 16 2009 13:16 IdrA wrote: hows that an attack? im being entirely serious, that is exactly what mormons themselves say happened. well i guess they usually dont call it a fucking hat I thought Mormons said that there were gold writings on leaves... Or am I thinking of some other religion... EDIT: Yes, I'm thinking of something else lol | ||
Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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extracheez
Australia151 Posts
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Shuffleus
Australia764 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On February 16 2009 14:01 extracheez wrote: Fight or flight, care to elaborate on the "magical view" because that didn't really make much sense to me. Well I'm not really an expert in this subject or anything, but I'll see if I can sum up what they are saying. The magical view seems to take the viewpoint that the universe is a continually recurring and cyclical object, where all is one and everything is endowed with a type of god-like essence. There is no god to judge you, or any spiritual being that is necessarily superior to you. Presumably, the universe can be controlled through arcane knowledge. Like scientists, magicians seek to control the world around them. By gaining knowledge they can become powerful. That is my impression anyway. | ||
extracheez
Australia151 Posts
On February 16 2009 17:11 fight_or_flight wrote: Well I'm not really an expert in this subject or anything, but I'll see if I can sum up what they are saying. The magical view seems to take the viewpoint that the universe is a continually recurring and cyclical object, where all is one and everything is endowed with a type of god-like essence. There is no god to judge you, or any spiritual being that is necessarily superior to you. Presumably, the universe can be controlled through arcane knowledge. Like scientists, magicians seek to control the world around them. By gaining knowledge they can become powerful. That is my impression anyway. I really... really don't mean to be putting it down but its going to come out that way anyways... what the fuck are they on about? Magicians? Is this some new cult? I'm only asking because I've never heard of this before and I'm curious. | ||
REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1903 Posts
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
just live as it is. Im a scientific person and i believe in time anything can be explained. Though an explaination wont help you at all. Knowing why how and when will not help you make your decisions. but if you really think you HAVE to join a religion dont. Religion is great for mindless people who like stories about how it all is without any clear proof. Its okay to understand all religions and make your own conclusion. But really just think for yourself theres no need for a intelligent person to follow this stupid cow behaviour | ||
Chef
10810 Posts
On February 16 2009 10:10 yoshtodd wrote: I pretty much grew up without religion and never really felt like I was missing out on anything. When occasionally my Mom would take us to church I found it to be silly, embarrassing, and sometimes a bit frightening. Growing up I felt revulsion and distrust of the glassy eyed, self righteous breed of religious zealot I occasionally came across. I learned to respect reason and knowledge and for a long time that seemed to be satisfactory enough, as far as the search for meaning goes. At this point in my life it no longer feels adequate. I've had a personal taste of just how clumsily science currently deals with matters of the emotions and the soul. It is precisely these areas of my life that are in need of mending, and I believe that at least as of now science does not contain any true remedy. It seems to be fashionable these days to despise religion. I went through a phase of feeling that way but now I'm beginning to think that I don't understand it well enough to be in any place to judge. I've tried attending (Buddhist) church a few times recently but I just feel so disingenuous and awkward. Little bits of the teaching really resonate with me but others I just want to reject as pure nonsense. I'm just tired of not believing in anything and finding my existence to be totally meaningless. My confidence and strength have been ground away into nothing, and I feel as though I require something that lies beyond the material world, to keep my feet moving forward. Do what you want about following a religion, but don't knock science because you don't understand it/like the answers it has. I find most people who dislike science are people who think science is what journalists report in newspapers in magazines, rather than what it actually is: tests, experiments and the creation of reliable data. Science is knowing what you know. Not the game of broken telephone you play with journalists. Emotions are the stimulation of neurons and hormones in specific ways. Souls haven't been proven. Afterlife hasn't been proven. Doesn't mean either is impossible, but why should you adopt a religion just to hear someone lie and say they know for sure? What I'm saying is you don't need religion. You can believe in souls and the afterlife without an organized community of other people who believe exactly the same. Faith is exactly what it says it is. It's not an answer anymore than any crack pot theory you might have mistaken for science. | ||
Boblion
France8043 Posts
"God is love" is pure bs. | ||
ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
On a less serious note Scientolgy might also deserve a mention. | ||
yoshtodd
United States418 Posts
On February 16 2009 23:49 Chef wrote: Do what you want about following a religion, but don't knock science because you don't understand it/like the answers it has. I find most people who dislike science are people who think science is what journalists report in newspapers in magazines, rather than what it actually is: tests, experiments and the creation of reliable data. Science is knowing what you know. Not the game of broken telephone you play with journalists. Emotions are the stimulation of neurons and hormones in specific ways. Souls haven't been proven. Afterlife hasn't been proven. Doesn't mean either is impossible, but why should you adopt a religion just to hear someone lie and say they know for sure? What I'm saying is you don't need religion. You can believe in souls and the afterlife without an organized community of other people who believe exactly the same. Faith is exactly what it says it is. It's not an answer anymore than any crack pot theory you might have mistaken for science. I get the feeling you really dislike me by the way you respond to me when I post a blog, has what I've written offended you so much? Sorry but don't lump me into that group of people that "dislike science". I won't claim to be a tome of walking knowledge on it but for my whole life I've been fascinated and interested in it but I attribute that to the home I grew up in more than my own merit. Maybe I just shouldn't have used the word science the way I did, I mean more the abuses of it right now particularly in the field of Psychiatry. You talk of crack pot theories, right after claiming with such certainty and conviction that "Emotions are the stimulation of neurons and hormones in specific ways.". It's precisely that theory that I was lamenting when I referred to the short comings of science. It is being used and manipulated in ways that deal all sorts of damage to people's minds and lives right now, but I guess you're right that it's not the fault of science itself, only its distortion by those who wield its name with greed and ineptitude. | ||
Savio
United States1850 Posts
On February 16 2009 13:30 Mindcrime wrote: on the subject of Mormonism, could one of the kind, Mormon fellows on TL explain the significance of the temple garments? Its a little long: (exerpt) + Show Spoiler + It should be understood that “the things of the Lord” (2 Ne. 4:16) have included sacred clothing from the very beginning of this world. The scriptures contain many references to the wearing of special garments by the ancients. Prior to their expulsion from the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were clad in sacred clothing. We read: “Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them” (Gen. 3:21). They received this clothing in a context of instruction on the Atonement, sacrifice, repentance, and forgiveness (see Moses 5:5–8). The temple garment given to Latter-day Saints is provided in a similar context. It is given to remind wearers of the continuing need for repentance, the need to honor binding covenants made in the house of the Lord, and the need to cherish and share virtue in our daily living so that promised blessings may be claimed. Moses was commanded to place holy garments and priestly vestments upon Aaron and others, thus preparing them to officiate in the tabernacle. Said the Lord to Moses, “And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel … and thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty … that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office” (Ex. 28:1–3). References to Aaron’s clothing and the vestments of the priesthood worn by selected leaders in Old Testament times are accompanied by expressions such as “precious garments,” “glorious garments,” “garments of honor,” “coats of glory,” and “garments of salvation.” 3 These expressions may apply more particularly to the raiment worn by those who officiated in tabernacle or temple rites; nevertheless, these descriptive words also apply to the sacred clothing worn on a daily basis by “those who call themselves by [God’s] name and are essaying to [become] saints” (D&C 125:2). The honor, glory, and precious nature of sacred garments, whether worn only in the temple or in everyday life under street clothes, transcend the material of which they are made. Their full worth and beauty are appreciated and regarded as precious or glorious when viewed through the “eye of faith” (Alma 5:15). “The garment is inadequate without the thing that it signifies. … It won’t protect you unless you’re true and faithful to your covenant, and only to the degree to which you don’t dishonor your garment has it any significance at all. Only on that condition that you don’t dishonor it, that you’re pure, that you are true and faithful to your covenant—does the garment have any benefit,” wrote Hugh Nibley, an emeritus professor of ancient scripture at Brigham Young University. 4 Yes, garments have been worn by prophets and other righteous Saints throughout the ages, whenever the ordinances of the priesthood and the temple have been available to the children of men. When the Church was restored to the earth in our day, the sacred priesthood ordinances associated with the holy temple were revealed anew to the Prophet Joseph Smith. The revelations he received included instructions about the garment. Many references are found in the scriptures relating to garments and clothing. Enoch declared: “I beheld the heavens open, and I was clothed upon with glory” (Moses 7:3). Jacob spoke of a day of judgment when “we shall have a perfect knowledge of all our guilt, and our uncleanness, and our nakedness; and the righteous shall have a perfect knowledge of their enjoyment, and their righteousness, being clothed with purity, yea, even with the robe of righteousness” (2 Ne. 9:14). Isaiah rejoiced, saying, “God … hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness” (Isa. 61:10). Alma referred to “all the holy prophets, whose garments are cleansed and are spotless, pure and white” (Alma 5:24). These and other prophetic statements suggest not only a cleanliness and purity within one’s soul, but also a spotless covering over one’s soul, signifying a life of goodness and devotion to God. --http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=f318118dd536c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=92ba196b5a1eb010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1 “An Outward Expression of an Inward Commitment” By Elder Carlos E. Asay (1926–1999) Emeritus Member of the First Quorum of the Seventy and Former President of the Salt Lake Temple | ||
yoshtodd
United States418 Posts
Sorry for not responding to everyone specifically, I do read all the responses but actually writing is a draining and tiring process I don't know why. Thanks for the various good musings and ideas though, I'll try to keep them in mind as I search for whatever it is that might fill this spiritual void. | ||
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