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Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
January 28 2009 00:53 GMT
#21
Sitting there sucking balls for months on end because you can't just play slow and well and try to force yourself to get 300 APM is stupid, yes.
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
January 28 2009 01:01 GMT
#22
On January 28 2009 09:53 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
Sitting there sucking balls for months on end because you can't just play slow and well and try to force yourself to get 300 APM is stupid, yes.


you think pros naturally get 300 apm? seriously?
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
January 28 2009 01:04 GMT
#23
On January 28 2009 10:01 gg_hertzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2009 09:53 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
Sitting there sucking balls for months on end because you can't just play slow and well and try to force yourself to get 300 APM is stupid, yes.


you think pros naturally get 300 apm? seriously?


he's saying that doing everything wrong while trying to get 300 apm is stupid, not that aiming for high apm is automatically bad

and pros do intentionally try to raise their apm, but it's not like daniel lee's one and only improvement for idra was to get his apm high, he just wanted him to have the extra useful actions, likely because terran is such a high apm race
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
January 28 2009 01:06 GMT
#24
On January 28 2009 10:04 anderoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2009 10:01 gg_hertzz wrote:
On January 28 2009 09:53 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
Sitting there sucking balls for months on end because you can't just play slow and well and try to force yourself to get 300 APM is stupid, yes.


you think pros naturally get 300 apm? seriously?


he's saying that doing everything wrong while trying to get 300 apm is stupid, not that aiming for high apm is automatically bad

and pros do intentionally try to raise their apm, but it's not like daniel lee's one and only improvement for idra was to get his apm high, he just wanted him to have the extra useful actions, likely because terran is such a high apm race


i thought it was obvious that trying to raise your apm for nothing but the bragging rights of it was stupid? Come on people, obviously that's a stupid thing to do.
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
January 28 2009 01:08 GMT
#25
Yes, that's why he said
On January 28 2009 09:53 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
Sitting there sucking balls for months on end because you can't just play slow and well and try to force yourself to get 300 APM is stupid, yes.

Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-28 01:14:33
January 28 2009 01:13 GMT
#26
eapm=micro tvz ^^

ils
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
January 28 2009 01:17 GMT
#27
On January 28 2009 09:34 Chewits wrote:
wth is Eapm ? I know apm, but eapm? wtf is this some sorta new thing? never heard of ..

EAPM - Effective Actions Per Minute.
Basically your APM without all the extra spam and pointless actions you do constantly.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 28 2009 16:02 GMT
#28
On January 28 2009 08:39 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
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On January 28 2009 07:54 Chef wrote:
On January 28 2009 07:46 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
It's really stupid to try to meet a certain goal APM through artificial means.

If you want to raise your EAPM, move your units. I have 250 EAPM in some games with 400 APM when I am controlling SK terran, and I can only surmise it's from moving my units nonstop, because when I play metal and my APM drops to 300 my EAPM also drops to 190-200.

No doubt I'll receive a lot of garbage from people saying I'm bragging and whatever, but this is my experience with EAPM.

Ultimately, it's irrelevant. When I have 250 EAPM it's just because I'm controlling more units more carefully. It doesn't mean I played better in the 250 EAPM game with SK terran than I did in the 190 EAPM game with metal.

Reps? ^^ I hardly ever see pros with over 200 eapm.


I'm certainly no progamer, that's for sure.

I know I've seen 250 EAPM before on my replays, but these are the ones I could find with a 5 minute search before I didn't want to keep looking:

http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7274&key=b37b9e - 221 EAPM


http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7275&key=0e06f0 - 239 EAPM

Thanks but I was hoping for 1v1s I don't know how to judge someone's skill in 2v2 (especially not when it's roadkill against 100 apm players lol)
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 28 2009 17:00 GMT
#29
My apm rose once I started playing on iCCup and stopped looking at some live apm measuring program and started focusing more on just playing and doing something all the time.
FREEloss_ca
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada603 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-28 22:20:36
January 28 2009 22:18 GMT
#30
On January 28 2009 09:51 gg_hertzz wrote:
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On January 28 2009 09:24 FREEloss_ca wrote:


To put it a bit more into perspective:

-I used to be ~300APM with 60-70% hotkey usage and at a D- level
-Now I'm ~240 APM with ~45-50% hotkey usage and playing at around D+/C-


you think that because trying to raise your eapm or apm disrupts your game that you shouldn't do it? I think every pro goes through trying to raise their apm or eapm.

i remember when idra went to estro daniel lee made it his mission to get idra to raise his apm.

for sure if you're not naturally fast, you're going to be uncomfortable raising your apm. but the point is to be faster. If a guy was comfortable with 140 apm and never tried to be faster, he would be at a plateau.

There was a time when I was average 140 apm, but month after month i tried to raise it, each time finding many disruptions to my game because i couldn't get use to the faster speed. eventually i got up to 250 which is where i'm currently have. you have to 'practice' playing faster. of course you're gonna be confused in the first few months because you're not use to the speed, but eventually you will be.

as another example, it's like a guy going to the gym and only lifting 30 kg dumbbells. he doesn't want to lift more because he's not comfortable. well, the point is to try to get you to that point whereyou are comfortable. and eventually you'll get there.


Idra already knew how to play the game. Mr. Lee needed his mechanics to be improved because the Korean play style is so mechanic based. He didn't TRY to make his APM higher. I'd assume he taught him drills to help him develop habits to improve his macro, army control and general base management (depos, upgrades, etc).

Ultimately, I think it's a matter of increasing your brains speed at recognizing all the different things you need to be doing in a game of Starcraft, and training your hands to keep up; as opposed to just trying to see how fast you can switch your screens view.
"Starcraft...It just echos brilliance and manliness." - Tasteless
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-28 23:16:13
January 28 2009 23:16 GMT
#31
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
January 28 2009 23:19 GMT
#32
On January 29 2009 01:02 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2009 08:39 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
On January 28 2009 07:54 Chef wrote:
On January 28 2009 07:46 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
It's really stupid to try to meet a certain goal APM through artificial means.

If you want to raise your EAPM, move your units. I have 250 EAPM in some games with 400 APM when I am controlling SK terran, and I can only surmise it's from moving my units nonstop, because when I play metal and my APM drops to 300 my EAPM also drops to 190-200.

No doubt I'll receive a lot of garbage from people saying I'm bragging and whatever, but this is my experience with EAPM.

Ultimately, it's irrelevant. When I have 250 EAPM it's just because I'm controlling more units more carefully. It doesn't mean I played better in the 250 EAPM game with SK terran than I did in the 190 EAPM game with metal.

Reps? ^^ I hardly ever see pros with over 200 eapm.


I'm certainly no progamer, that's for sure.

I know I've seen 250 EAPM before on my replays, but these are the ones I could find with a 5 minute search before I didn't want to keep looking:

http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7274&key=b37b9e - 221 EAPM


http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7275&key=0e06f0 - 239 EAPM

Thanks but I was hoping for 1v1s I don't know how to judge someone's skill in 2v2 (especially not when it's roadkill against 100 apm players lol)


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