• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:08
CEST 22:08
KST 05:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.162Rollback Netcode in Brood War895.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10
StarCraft 2
General
SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Server Blocker How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 ESL Pro Tour for SC2 discontinued
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL FINALS HYPE VIDEO 2X Rollback Netcode in Brood War ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues ASL 22 Finals [ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13659 users

Raising Eapm = switching screens?

Blogs > gg_hertzz
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
January 27 2009 20:25 GMT
#1
Some of you may notice that i'm very interested in the apm/eapm aspect of the game.

anyway, I was watching fpvods recently, and i discovered something that pros do very well that I don't do often is screen switching.

screen switching is the ability to turn your screen from one area of play quickly to the next without interrupted play. by moving the screen around to all visible areas of the map, and commanding the units in that area, you're effectively multitasking. By default, this raises your Eapm.

So I was stuck at around 130 apm for the last 6 months, wondering how the heck do pros and some foreigners get such high eapm. I just played a game with the intention of screen switch as efficiently and quickly as possible. The end result was that I had 152 Eapm for an 18 minute game. That's +22 eapm higher than my average.

The pitfall is because I'm not use to it yet, my control is abysmal. The more I refine my play and incorporate my screen switching, surely the higher my eapm will go.

For those who are interest about Eapm, hopefully this has helped you. Try to incorporate more screen switching into your game to improve your multitasking and your eapm will skyrocket.

*
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
January 27 2009 20:50 GMT
#2
play better?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
January 27 2009 20:56 GMT
#3
Was this your secret to high apm?
No I'm never serious.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
January 27 2009 21:11 GMT
#4
Every time I try screen switching, I forget they were ever there. I usually use space bar, and minimap. I have to agree that screen switching can be very useful, but you are blowing it way out of proportion. 152 eapm is nothing to brag about.

tl;dr: Screen switching is good, but not that good.
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
January 27 2009 21:32 GMT
#5
i know 152 isn't something to brag about, that is why i mentioned it. anyway, i thought i would share alittle something that i learned even if some don't think it's helpful.
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
January 27 2009 21:40 GMT
#6
Rage made a point awhile back that it isn't the speed at which you perform an action that is slowing one down its the time between the actions. So any time that you have to think about what you are doing (or do something inefficent like re rallying) your APM goes down. See if you can't juggle what you are doing and the next thing that you have to do in your mind at once.
KingofHearts
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Japan562 Posts
January 27 2009 21:43 GMT
#7
you need to spam hotkeys to get high apms. look at nada's replay. he pressed way more hotkeys than mouse action.
moshi moshi~
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 27 2009 22:07 GMT
#8
The problem with most people and APM peaks is that they just don't know what else they should be doing during quiet parts of the game. As you incorporate more scouting and harass into your game, you'll see your APM increase without trying. Partly because it'll force you to come up with more efficient ways to do the things you're already doing in order to incorporate the new movements, but also just because you can't be doing more things than you know you're supposed to be doing. That's why you see people with 30 APM who have no idea why their APM should be any higher. They're just unaware there's so many more things they should be doing.

If you have more things to do than you have APM to do, you might just need to learn the interface of the game better (hotkeys, fkeys, shift select, shift move... etc etc). This isn't wholly directed at the OP but just anyone in general thinking about APM.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5758 Posts
January 27 2009 22:29 GMT
#9
my apm has jumped about 40-50 out of the blue, i dont know if im just trying harder or what but it was never this fast before even when i tried really hard lol...
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
January 27 2009 22:38 GMT
#10
On January 28 2009 06:43 KingofHearts wrote:
you need to spam hotkeys to get high apms. look at nada's replay. he pressed way more hotkeys than mouse action.

Adding to this:
Having your hotkeys as 1,2,3,4 units, and 5,6,7,8, gateways, and 9,0 nexus is only about 3~ screens that you switch between if you mash hotkeys. So either your mouse speed needs to improve too if you plan in clicking on the minimap, or you need to use your hotkeys for a variety of things to be effective. Or both
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
January 27 2009 22:46 GMT
#11
It's really stupid to try to meet a certain goal APM through artificial means.

If you want to raise your EAPM, move your units. I have 250 EAPM in some games with 400 APM when I am controlling SK terran, and I can only surmise it's from moving my units nonstop, because when I play metal and my APM drops to 300 my EAPM also drops to 190-200.

No doubt I'll receive a lot of garbage from people saying I'm bragging and whatever, but this is my experience with EAPM.

Ultimately, it's irrelevant. When I have 250 EAPM it's just because I'm controlling more units more carefully. It doesn't mean I played better in the 250 EAPM game with SK terran than I did in the 190 EAPM game with metal.
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 27 2009 22:52 GMT
#12
On January 28 2009 06:40 cgrinker wrote:
Rage made a point awhile back that it isn't the speed at which you perform an action that is slowing one down its the time between the actions. So any time that you have to think about what you are doing (or do something inefficent like re rallying) your APM goes down. See if you can't juggle what you are doing and the next thing that you have to do in your mind at once.

Exactly, that's why it's better to think actively rather than passively during a game. It increases your efficiency by a lot and you're always going to be doing something, and you're doing it faster as well.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 27 2009 22:54 GMT
#13
On January 28 2009 07:46 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
It's really stupid to try to meet a certain goal APM through artificial means.

If you want to raise your EAPM, move your units. I have 250 EAPM in some games with 400 APM when I am controlling SK terran, and I can only surmise it's from moving my units nonstop, because when I play metal and my APM drops to 300 my EAPM also drops to 190-200.

No doubt I'll receive a lot of garbage from people saying I'm bragging and whatever, but this is my experience with EAPM.

Ultimately, it's irrelevant. When I have 250 EAPM it's just because I'm controlling more units more carefully. It doesn't mean I played better in the 250 EAPM game with SK terran than I did in the 190 EAPM game with metal.

Reps? ^^ I hardly ever see pros with over 200 eapm.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
January 27 2009 23:33 GMT
#14
By the way how do you measure EAPM, I don't think it's the VAPM in bwchart?
No I'm never serious.
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
January 27 2009 23:39 GMT
#15
On January 28 2009 07:54 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2009 07:46 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
It's really stupid to try to meet a certain goal APM through artificial means.

If you want to raise your EAPM, move your units. I have 250 EAPM in some games with 400 APM when I am controlling SK terran, and I can only surmise it's from moving my units nonstop, because when I play metal and my APM drops to 300 my EAPM also drops to 190-200.

No doubt I'll receive a lot of garbage from people saying I'm bragging and whatever, but this is my experience with EAPM.

Ultimately, it's irrelevant. When I have 250 EAPM it's just because I'm controlling more units more carefully. It doesn't mean I played better in the 250 EAPM game with SK terran than I did in the 190 EAPM game with metal.

Reps? ^^ I hardly ever see pros with over 200 eapm.


I'm certainly no progamer, that's for sure.

I know I've seen 250 EAPM before on my replays, but these are the ones I could find with a 5 minute search before I didn't want to keep looking:

http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7274&key=b37b9e - 221 EAPM


http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7275&key=0e06f0 - 239 EAPM
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
January 28 2009 00:14 GMT
#16
On January 28 2009 08:33 Nytefish wrote:
By the way how do you measure EAPM, I don't think it's the VAPM in bwchart?


Download bwrepinfo.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
January 28 2009 00:19 GMT
#17
On January 28 2009 09:14 skyglow1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2009 08:33 Nytefish wrote:
By the way how do you measure EAPM, I don't think it's the VAPM in bwchart?


Download bwrepinfo.


Thanks.

Turns out my eapm is only a bit lower than my unadjusted apm, interesting...
No I'm never serious.
FREEloss_ca
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada603 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-28 00:29:53
January 28 2009 00:24 GMT
#18
Basically by constant screen switching you're double tapping your keys more often (ie. pressing 2 selects the unit, pressing 2 again centers the screen over the unit). All you've essentially done is spammed your control keys more...

Don't get hung up on apm it will plague your game with bad habits that will take a long time to break in the future. Take it from me, I spent years as a 300apm D6/D- Terran. Only in the last year have I finally started grasping concepts and really understanding this game and have started improving. I'd be improving a lot better if I still didn't possess bad habits I developed from trying to have high APM.

APM is a reflection of your mental capacity in this game; the faster you can process the ideas of macro, micro, scouting, expanding, moving your army around, keeping supply count up and making your BO's crisp and perfectly executed, the quicker your hands will get to keep up with the increased rate of thought, and essentially the higher your APM will become.

APM isn't something you TRY to make higher. Focusing on playing fast will distract you from actually playing.

I essentially had to take a year long break from this game, and start completely fresh, essentially all over again. I started out by learning BO's, and ultimately using my head a lot more and really trying to form good habits to macro, scout well, control my army well, etc; I was around 180 APM when I started up. I'm now around 220-260 APM (depending on game length) and playing better than I ever have. My macro is a lot better, but still sucks, go figure.

To put it a bit more into perspective:

-I used to be ~300APM with 60-70% hotkey usage and at a D- level
-Now I'm ~240 APM with ~45-50% hotkey usage and playing at around D+/C-
"Starcraft...It just echos brilliance and manliness." - Tasteless
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
January 28 2009 00:34 GMT
#19
wth is Eapm ? I know apm, but eapm? wtf is this some sorta new thing? never heard of ..
Whats the altitude?
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-28 00:53:17
January 28 2009 00:51 GMT
#20
On January 28 2009 09:24 FREEloss_ca wrote:


To put it a bit more into perspective:

-I used to be ~300APM with 60-70% hotkey usage and at a D- level
-Now I'm ~240 APM with ~45-50% hotkey usage and playing at around D+/C-


you think that because trying to raise your eapm or apm disrupts your game that you shouldn't do it? I think every pro goes through trying to raise their apm or eapm.

i remember when idra went to estro daniel lee made it his mission to get idra to raise his apm.

for sure if you're not naturally fast, you're going to be uncomfortable raising your apm. but the point is to be faster. If a guy was comfortable with 140 apm and never tried to be faster, he would be at a plateau.

There was a time when I was average 140 apm, but month after month i tried to raise it, each time finding many disruptions to my game because i couldn't get use to the faster speed. eventually i got up to 250 which is where i'm currently have. you have to 'practice' playing faster. of course you're gonna be confused in the first few months because you're not use to the speed, but eventually you will be.

as another example, it's like a guy going to the gym and only lifting 30 kg dumbbells. he doesn't want to lift more because he's not comfortable. well, the point is to try to get you to that point whereyou are comfortable. and eventually you'll get there.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 13h 53m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 440
ProTech150
JuggernautJason91
Codebar 46
EmSc Tv 19
Nina 14
StarCraft: Brood War
White-Ra 196
Dota 2
Pyrionflax159
League of Legends
Grubby2573
Doublelift2380
Counter-Strike
fl0m2935
C9.Mang0208
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi2466
summit1g1156
FrodaN792
Beastyqt675
B2W.Neo530
ZombieGrub31
Chillindude14
Organizations
StarCraft 2
BasetradeTV141
EmSc Tv 19
EmSc2Tv 19
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Dystopia_ 8
• Reevou 6
• niya90s 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 21
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21384
League of Legends
• Nemesis5644
Other Games
• imaqtpie896
• Shiphtur532
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
13h 53m
WardiTV Qualifier
14h 53m
Online Event
1d 14h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
IPSL
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-13
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.