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Player names
Blue > 60% overall
60% overall > Green > 40% overall
Red < 40% overall
Bold + Underline = More than 10 wins
Red statistic on these players shows potential weakness
Fantasy Cost
Cost < ( # Wins / 2 )
Cost = ( # Wins / 2 )
Cost > ( # Wins / 2 )
+ Show Spoiler [More infos] +Key:
[Fantasy Value]
[Original Record] [Player Name] [Round 2 Record] - [Losses] 12 21-6 Leta (14-2) - Loss to JangBi, SkyHigh 10 20-9 Jaedong (10-4) - UpMagiC, Kal, FBH, Sea 15-8 Mind (11-4) - Luxury, SangHo, Leta, HiyA 9 15-3 Bisu (10-1) - Loss to Jaedong 20-6 BeSt (10-3) - Loss to Saint, Free, Hwasin 8 19-7 Flash (9-3) - Loss to Jaedong, Stork, Bisu 7 14-8 EffOrt (9-5) - Loss to Light, UpMagiC, Flash, Bisu, Jaedong 12-7 JangBi (8-3) - Loss to Shine, fantasy, EffOrt 6 15-7 FBH (7-3) - Loss to BeSt, July, Mind 13-8 Stork (6-4) - Loss to Movie, Bisu, NaDa, Sea 13-6 SangHo (7-4) - Loss to YellOw, EffOrt, BeSt, great 11-4 July (8-1) - Loss to s2 11-9 fantasy (5-5) - Loss to Nal_Keke, Mind, Jaedong, Really, Sea 11-7 Sea (7-3) - Anytime, ZerO, YellOw 10-5 Light (6-4) - Loss to fOrGG, Mind, free, FBH 10-4 forGG (6-2) - Loss to Leta, SangHo 9-5 HiyA (5-1) - Loss to BeSt 5 14-11 Kal (6-5) - Loss to YellOw, sKyHigh, Stork, JangBi, SangHo 14-8 Free (6-5) - Loss to Mind, Kal, Movie, Saint, Leta 13-14 Really (6-9) - I'm Bad 12-10 ZerO (3-7) - I'm Bad 12-8 YellOw (5-5) - Loss to 815, Fantasy, HiyA, FBH, GGPlay 9-3 great (5-2) - Loss to sKyHigh, Free 6-4 SkyHigh (6-4) - Loss to Pusan, Pure, Mind, HiyA 4-1 Young (4-1) - Loss to Bisu 4 15-9 Calm (5-5) - Loss to YellOw, Hyun, EffOrt, Bisu, fOrGG 10-7 Saint (3-3) - Loss to Dongrae, EffOrt, great 9-4 UpMagiC (5-2) - Loss to Leta, Stork 9-12 Hwasin (4-7) - I'm Bad 8-11 Hyvaa (5-6) - I'm Bad 8-6 GGPlay (5-4) - Loss to Tempest, Stork, July, Anytime 7-6 Keke (4-3) - Loss to EffOrt, Leta, Jaedong 4-4 Shine (3-0) 3 11-6 Pusan (3-4) - Loss to SangHo, Really, Horang2, Bisu 9-11 Luxury (3-6) - I'm Bad 4-8 Anytime (4-8) - I'm Bad 4-6 Casy (4-6) - I'm Bad 6-5 Movie (5-5) - Loss to Anytime, Bogus, Shine, Flash, Bisu 4-2 NaDa (2-2) - Loss to UpMagiC, Sea 2-8 s2 (2-3) – I’m Bad 2-4 Thezerg (2-2) - Loss to MuMyung, GGPlay 5-4 Type-b (2-1) - Loss to Really
+ Show Spoiler [My opinions on fantasy strategy] +* Top players who can win multiple games in a row are even more important in this all-kill format.
Let's name some players who we believe are capable of multiple kill games without being sniped. I'll count multiple kill streaks as 3-kill streaks. 2-kill would be too many players, and is more succeptable to occurring in almost every match. We're talking 8 point plays here -- (Lineup Appearance, 3 wins, and Team win) with the possibility for slightly more or less depending on placement of wins and/or a loss.
Player list: Leta, Jaedong, Mind[debatable], Bisu, BeSt, Flash, EffOrt[debatable], JangBi[debatable], FBH[debatable], July, Stork[debatable].... You can see how the list shrinks quite fast. Your team requires 6 players.. only (3-4) maximum which come from this list.
* Avoid players with a particularly weak matchup (FBH & Hwasin TvP etc.) who can easily be sniped.
* Snipers will play a large role and can accumulate a couple of points by streak breaking.
This should be a BIG concern that I don't see addressed in many teams. The most likely scenario in this all-kill format for fantasy success from OUTSIDE of the "team-kill" list above will come from race/map snipers and young surprises. Take a look at maGma, for example. 1-4 record in proleague so far, but 1-1 in Round 2. Claims 50%+ win rate against Bisu in training games. What does this mean? Unknown potential for protoss sniping. Notice that there are 8 protoss, 11 terran, and 6 zerg valued at 5 points or above. Considering potential protoss and terran snipers added to the bottom of your roster GIVEN that they will see playing time is a sure way to make some extra fantasy value.
* The only viable teams for their prices I think are KTF (0), STX (4), SKT1 (5) and Khan (5).
I REALLY disagree with this sentiment. I do not think you can win this round picking those expensive teams. Think about what you're doing to your team. Let's say Leta -- In fact.. Leta played 27 games in Rounds 1 and 2. In Round 2, Leta went 14-2 netting him on top of the fantasy leaderboard AND fantasy value board for round 3. Consider that there are 11 other teams to play against, only 5~ of which are NOT vulnerable to a streak ie: "Team-kill" list in part 1.
Leta in Round 2:
14-2 (+26) - Lets estimate Leta will play (11(1-1) + 6(2-0) + 3(3-0) + 1(4-0)) games.
4-0x1 = 8 points
3-0x3 = 18 points - 8(4-0) = 10 points
2-0x6 = 24 points - 18(4-0,3-0) = 8 points
1-0,1-1(x11) = 22 points - 6~ loss points = 16 points
Total = 16 + 8 + 10 + 8 = 42 points
11 Lineup (+11) - Win or lose, Leta will play in every match. (+11)
5 Ace (+10) - No ace, +0
2 Streak-3 (+2) - No streak bonus +0
1 Streak-6 (+2) - Same
1 Streak-9 (+3) - Same
2 Streak Break (+2) - Not the same rule in Round 3.
7 Team Win (+7) - Assume his team does slightly worse in this format, +5.
Total = 42 + 11 + 5 = 58 points
New rules:
2-Game Streak Break: 1 Point
3-Game Streak Break: 2 Points
We can assume Leta will be breaking a streak when he enters the match about... 1/6th the time I'd say. Probably 1/10th the time on a 3-game streak. This will net him over 21~ matches about 7~ points.
Final = 58 + 7 = 65~ points
-- Leta scored 63 points in Round 2 on his phenomenal round. Even doing slightly worse in Round 3, he should end up at around the same number of points. What does this mean? Players with streaking capability should be valued higher than other players. Of course, you already knew that. Why include this semi-math in the team section? Well -- Teams have the following scoring system:
Proteams:
4-0 Victory: 5 Points
4-1 Victory: 4 Points
4-2 Victory: 3 Points
4-3 Victory: 2 Points
3-4 Defeat: 1 Point
2-4 Defeat: 0 Points
1-4 Defeat: -1 Points
0-4 Defeat: -2 Points
Best Record for Round 3: 4 Points
We could consider a team struggle like choosing SKT1(-5) vs KTF(-0) here. Remember that this format favors "team-kill" sheet players. By choosing to deduct 5 points for your total, you're basically eliminating the choice of 3-4 of those players down to 2. Lets examine what advantages you would gain from choosing SKT1 over KTF.
Round 2:
2. SKT / 25 points / 8-3 (3-2, 3-1, 3-2, 3-1, 2-3, 3-1, 2-3, 3-2, 3-2, 2-3, 3-0)
11. KTF / 2 points / 4-6 (3-2, 1-3, 2-3, 3-1, 0-3, 0-3, 3-2, 1-3, 3-2, 0-3, 0-3)
Round 3:
SKT / ? / ?
-- Let's offer SKT a record of... 8-3. In this format SKT has a very strong chance of a 4-1 or 4-2 victory in at least half of their wins with the possibility of a 4-0 streaker, once.. I'd say. They will never get 0-4 defeats, and a 1-4 defeat is also unlikely. We can offer them the following line:
SKT / 27 / 8-3 (4-2, 4-3, 4-1, 3-4, 4-0, 4-3, 2-4, 2-4, 4-2, 4-2, 4-1) = 3+2+4+1+5+2+0+0+3+3+4
KTF / ? / ?
-- Let's offer KTF a record of... 4-6. In this format, KTF does not have the same chance of getting 0-3'd as they had before. Let's assume that Flash wins 1 game in each match because the coach does not put him up first so he has a chance to see who Flash will play before sending him out. This eliminates a lot of the negative scoring KTF had in round 2.
KTF / 19 / 4-6 (4-1, 4-3, 2-4, 3-4, 4-1, 4-1, 1-4, 3-4, 3-4, 4-2, 2-4) = 4+2+0+1+4+4-1+1+1+3+0
Conclusion: There will likely be a slightly larger gap than this in the actual round. I would estimate a 10 point gap between the teams in terms of fantasy value. However, you are sacrificing your lineup's capability to including only 2 "team-kill" players. The gap between the top 10 players and the rest of the players could be as high as between #1 Leta - 62, #10 FBH - 31. Choose carefully how you allocate your points towards teams in fantasy. Like a kicker in fantasy football, they could net you a lot of points.. but you'll likely get nearly just as many points with the Bengals kicker as you would with the Steelers kicker over the course of an entire season.
* Consider filling up the team with cheap players of strong teams (Boxer, Ruby, by.hero etc.) to leech team win points.
This is a very valuable point. Consider highly players the coach will put on the team sheet, but they may not get a chance to play because "team-kill" players on the roster have already secured a victory. Players from Lecaf, Khan, SKT1, SparkyZ, and STX Soul probably carry an innate +7-8 in their fantasy scoring from team wins. Avoid picking moderately successful players like Movie just because they play often. You do not know where they will play in the lineup, or if CJ will even win the match. CJ has a lot of depth, but none of their players are capable of producing a long streak.. which means they are very dangerous to snipe, but very susceptible to losses.
* Perhaps avoid expensive yet unreliable (Mind, July) or inexperienced (SkyHigh, Young) players.
* There are lots of players in the 4 to 6 point range who did well last season but haven't yet shown if they are for real (hyvaa, Really, SangHo etc.). I wouldn't want to take those.
This point is perhaps a little vague, but I will say that inexperienced players offer the chance for improvement while expensive players often can slump. Be careful with how you choose inexperienced players whose value has risen significantly from Round 2 to Round 3. Not all of them will continue to be successful, and many of them do not have the chance to beat top players and were accumulating wins against lesser opponents.
* This could be the occasion to take a gamble with up-and-comers (Horang2, Tazza etc.) and slumping oldschoolers (Savior, oov, Iris, Midas, Xellos) at a low price in hopes of them fulfilling their potential.
I won't comment on gambles. You are free to make gamble choices, and the final winner will almost certainly have at least 1 gamble choice on a low-value player who scores successfully in the high 30s. Take note of all the small scoring details like sniping streaks, team wins, and matchup statistics and you could find yourself owning a player in this category.
* Try to spread your risk so you aren't screwed if someone slumps, e.g. not Flash AND Luxury AND KTF
Be careful not to choose too many successful players in unsuccessful teams. Teams like MBC, eSTRO, and CJ have a lot of good "value" picks, but stocking up on too many players from one of these teams will cut you off from the team win bonus, and especially sucks if you contain the players from a team AND that team. Don't make that mistake. Prepare now!
* If possible, have a good racial balance so you can trade freely. Sucks when you can't trade your slumping zerg away because you have no other zerg on your team.
One of each race is indeed a curse that requires some forethought. If, for example, you currently only have one zerg on your team... be sure that he will succeed or you may find yourself in a scenario with a low point high value player that you are unable to trade away. This is a rather fine detail in the overall scheme of things, though. Making trades is one of those areas that some fantasy players would rather just avoid.
+ Show Spoiler [How I chose my team...] +I outlined the ones I chose. Horang2 isn't on my chart, but I get the chance to pick a guy that shows potential and I also needed a 2nd protoss. As you can see in the image there are quite a few steals in there that people are overlooking just based on statistics alone. I think Bisu is probably the biggest name I'm passing up, simply because the math didn't work out at the bottom of my team and I didn't support any of the 1 point players. There IS a math team out there that I'd be interested in checking up on by the time the league ends... Flash (8) 2x+3 FBH (6) 2x+3 Kal (5) 2x+4 Free (5) 3x (last win against Lomo) Calm (4) 3x+3 Iris (2) 3x+1 KTF (0) You're getting 19,15,14, 15, 14, and 7 wins from this team.. It's just about picking and choosing. My team has a little bit of a weight to second round play in the formula I made, as well as looking at the map statistics and the reason MSL play from Savior. I'll release a little bit more information about fantasy plays when we close in on the date.. and the only thing else left to discuss are the teams we chose!! Can't wait for the 17th to begin.
 
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Do you work with spreadsheets? I only ask because you've been pumping out some insane stuff with them. Thanks for doing this.
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No, but I majored in Applied Mathematics with a minor in English. I'll likely end up in statistics publishing or something crazy. TL just happens to suit me! 
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Excellent chart.
I really hope you do a TLFE or something, you're awesome.
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Braavos36375 Posts
hehe you don't want to see the full excel sheet with all the stats on it, its monstrous
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Niice work, I hope this grows into something even bigger! Good luck with the workload.
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Well organized excel sheets excite me in ways they probably shouldn't.
mm...
You must be pretty confident in your fantasy team to be granting this awesome resource to everyone! =P I probably would have used it if I hadn't already submitted my team, haha.
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You are allowed to change your team up until the deadline. I wanted this blog to be a place to discuss your picks since the other thread moves quite a bit too fast to have any discussion when they're listing teams left and right.
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is awesome32274 Posts
inteeresting numbers. There's a big number of things stats aren't not showing though!
it's really hard to pick a good team with all kill...
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So let's see what could be important/useful when selecting a team:
- Top players who can win multiple games in a row are even more important in this all-kill format.
- Avoid players with a particularly weak matchup (FBH & Hwasin TvP etc.) who can easily be sniped
- The only viable teams for their prices I think are KTF (0), STX (4), SKT1 (5) and Khan (5).
- Consider filling up the team with cheap players of strong teams (Boxer, Ruby, by.hero etc.) to leech team win points.
- Snipers will play a large role and can accumulate a couple of points by streak breaking.
- Perhaps avoid expensive yet unreliable (Mind, July) or inexperienced (SkyHigh, Young) players.
- There are lots of players in the 4 to 6 point range who did well last season but haven't yet shown if they are for real (hyvaa, Really, SangHo etc.). I wouldn't want to take those.
- This could be the occasion to take a gamble with up-and-comers (Horang2, Tazza etc.) and slumping oldschoolers (Savior, oov, Iris, Midas, Xellos) at a low price in hopes of them fulfilling their potential.
- Try to spread your risk so you aren't screwed if someone slumps, e.g. not Flash AND Luxury AND KTF
- If possible, have a good racial balance so you can trade freely. Sucks when you can't trade your slumping zerg away because you have no other zerg on your team.
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On January 13 2009 21:52 Scorch wrote:So let's see what could be important/useful when selecting a team: - Top players who can win multiple games in a row are even more important in this all-kill format.
- Avoid players with a particularly weak matchup (FBH & Hwasin TvP etc.) who can easily be sniped
- The only viable teams for their prices I think are KTF (0), STX (4), SKT1 (5) and Khan (5).
- Consider filling up the team with cheap players of strong teams (Boxer, Ruby, by.hero etc.) to leech team win points.
- Snipers will play a large role and can accumulate a couple of points by streak breaking.
- Perhaps avoid expensive yet unreliable (Mind, July) or inexperienced (SkyHigh, Young) players.
- There are lots of players in the 4 to 6 point range who did well last season but haven't yet shown if they are for real (hyvaa, Really, SangHo etc.). I wouldn't want to take those.
- This could be the occasion to take a gamble with up-and-comers (Horang2, Tazza etc.) and slumping oldschoolers (Savior, oov, Iris, Midas, Xellos) at a low price in hopes of them fulfilling their potential.
- Try to spread your risk so you aren't screwed if someone slumps, e.g. not Flash AND Luxury AND KTF
- If possible, have a good racial balance so you can trade freely. Sucks when you can't trade your slumping zerg away because you have no other zerg on your team.
thx a lot
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On January 13 2009 21:52 Scorch wrote:So let's see what could be important/useful when selecting a team: - Perhaps avoid expensive yet unreliable (Mind, July) or inexperienced (SkyHigh, Young) players.
Young and skyhigh were best players in last round, they costed 0 points and they have like 22 and 25 points each, that's really huge for a 0 point player.
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On January 13 2009 21:52 Scorch wrote:- The only viable teams for their prices I think are KTF (0), STX (4), SKT1 (5) and Khan (5).
ogn didn't do so hot in round 2, but i have a feeling they'll do better this round because they're a really solid team and leta is a beast. they also only cost 3 points
- There are lots of players in the 4 to 6 point range who did well last season but haven't yet shown if they are for real (hyvaa, Really, SangHo etc.). I wouldn't want to take those.
lol aka entire estro team? dont underestimate sangho and really. they're good players with lots of potential and neither have a particularly weak matchup
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Put my response to the fantasy items pointed out in the main post under Fantasy strategy.
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On January 14 2009 01:14 Hyperionnn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 21:52 Scorch wrote:So let's see what could be important/useful when selecting a team: - Perhaps avoid expensive yet unreliable (Mind, July) or inexperienced (SkyHigh, Young) players.
Young and skyhigh were best players in last round, they costed 0 points and they have like 22 and 25 points each, that's really huge for a 0 point player.
Yes, they were very good deals. But noone knows if they can keep this up. For the same price, I'd rather stick with an established player like Kal or Free, where I know for sure that they do indeed have what it takes. If I were to take a gamble with an up-and-comer, I would at least take a cheap one.
On January 14 2009 02:42 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 21:52 Scorch wrote:- The only viable teams for their prices I think are KTF (0), STX (4), SKT1 (5) and Khan (5).
ogn didn't do so hot in round 2, but i have a feeling they'll do better this round because they're a really solid team and leta is a beast. they also only cost 3 points
Yes, OGN is cheap too and there's probably nothing wrong with taking them. But I expect STX to do considerably better for just 1 point more, or KTF almost as good as OGN for 3 points less.
Show nested quote + - There are lots of players in the 4 to 6 point range who did well last season but haven't yet shown if they are for real (hyvaa, Really, SangHo etc.). I wouldn't want to take those.
lol aka entire estro team? dont underestimate sangho and really. they're good players with lots of potential and neither have a particularly weak matchup
Oops, it was a coincidence I took all eSTRO guys. I could have written Young, Great and Shine just as well. The point is the same as above: for the same price, I'd much rather take an established player.
Please note that these are all my personal thoughts and it's my first fantasy season.
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United States37500 Posts
I like this blog. Thanks FzeroXx for the statistical grunt work.
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SangHo has actually been performing pretty consistent in proleague when compared to his record from Round Two. I wouldn't expect him to deviate much from his play this last round. He will likely be worth his value, or very close to that if he does come up short. If there is any player to pick on eStro, SangHo is probably the best bet.
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Added a little more information to the main page.
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If  ToSsGirL stays on the lineup she could be a  Nice 1-point pick because she likely won't be playing much and should be able to leech some wins off of July/Hwasin/ Kal.
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Nice post, some of the points you make about player choices actually influenced my choices.
eg; swapped out Iris for Canata. Even though Iris will likely perform better, Canata can accrue enough points from being on SKT to make up the difference.
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Wow, you put quite an amount of work into this, and there are some very good points. Damn, I might have to rearrange my Mighty Wombats. Again.:-p
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Needed another reason to bump this, so I decided to release the other half of the "More infos" section. I'll probably release my team and how I went about choosing it on the 16th.
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I'm quite excited about this. I'm still not satisfied with my choice. There are just so many options! Can't wait to discuss choices here.
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I'm really having trouble with the 3 pointers and 1 pointers. It's hard to decide if I want to go with a 4-2-1 or 3-2-2 or 4-3-0 as my last 3 picks. :[
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On January 15 2009 08:51 FzeroXx wrote:
I'm really having trouble with the 3 pointers and 1 pointers. It's hard to decide if I want to go with a 4-2-1 or 3-2-2 or 4-3-0 as my last 3 picks. :[
I went for 7-6-6-5-2-1, since I wanted as many "S-level" players as possible. My 2-1 is Savior, By.Hero. The 4 pointers all seem far worse than the 6-5 pointers. :\
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The 6 point players are amazing.. I want four of them but I couldn't justify not getting one of the all-stars. UpMagiC and ZerO (now) and Calm and Saint are all going to do well in Round 3 imo. Think about the strategy.. Having a zerg out there that is good at zvz prevents the other coach from sending a Z (unless JD), so they send out a big gun terran or zerg to stop say Saint. Then you get to choose who you want to snipe that Terran/Toss, and the only guy you lose is Saint who probably won his first game anyway.
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* Try to spread your risk so you aren't screwed if someone slumps, e.g. not Flash AND Luxury AND KTF
Be careful not to choose too many successful players in unsuccessful teams. Teams like MBC, eSTRO, and CJ have a lot of good "value" picks, but stocking up on too many players from one of these teams will cut you off from the team win bonus, and especially sucks if you contain the players from a team AND that team. Don't make that mistake. Prepare now!
Along the same lines, you need to do this to spread your wins around too. If you have a bunch of players from the same team, they're going to cannibalize each others points. Even if the team as a whole does well, you're going to lose in fantasy to someone who had the best player on the team combined with better players on other teams. It's ok to combine a top player with a value pick on the same team, but having more than two players or having the top 2 from a team will ruin your chances of being first in fantasy (you may still finish highly, but you won't be first).
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On January 15 2009 18:15 FzeroXx wrote:I thought I'd post some random teams for people to discuss the advantages, disadvantages, what they like and dislike, and the strategy I might have used to come up with them. Here they are: Team name: Mathcrafted (9) Bisu(6) July (Captain) (6) firebathero(4) UpMagiC(4) ZerO(1) by.hero(0) KTF MagicNs
I don't like July for 6 Points. You never know when he'll fall into the next slump, although he could unexpectedly win another OSL too. Risky. FBH has very weak TvP and can easily be sniped, but at least he is a good zerg and terran sniper himself. Hwasin has similar traits for 2 points less if you want such a player. Also, I'm not entirely convinced of UpMagic's and ZerO's reliability, and they are both on relatively weak teams for fewer teamwin points. by.hero is a cheap decent zerg on a good team and a great choice for 1 point, although unlikely to be played over Calm or July.
July and ZerO again  You probably can't go wrong with Bisu and Flash, and I like Horang2 and by.hero as cheap players. For the record: from among the 4 teams, I like this one best.
I'd take Bisu over Best because Bisu has no weak matchups. One could find arguments for ForGG over Sea because he is on a stronger team. These are only nuances though, Best and Sea both rock. I have no faith in SangHo at all and I would never take him at this hefty price. Free is solid, but I have a gut feeling he can't keep it up for much longer, so I'd possibly take Kal over him. I don't expect much of Iris and especially Savior, who are both slumping players on the same sub-par team and aren't likely to bring in many points. I'd rather take a gamble with young guns who could at least potentially start owning.
Jaedong, Bisu AND Flash. Bam! The cheap guys should be solid choices for their prices too (well Guemchi is on Woongjin... meh). The question is whether a more balanced team would be better. How about one top player and three or even four in the 4-7 point range? The solution to many a problem in life is to find a balance, so I'd instinctively go for a less extreme team. Btw nice distribution of two of each race.
All teams have KTF, which is the correct choice in my opinion. I expect the score difference between (0)KTF and, say, (5)SKT1 to be smaller than the difference between a 1 cost and a 6 cost player. I also like how all have their top players distributed among several teams.
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On the team Carry me pls I would take boxer over guemchi due to team win bonus.
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On January 15 2009 22:43 Scorch wrote:
I don't like July for 6 Points. You never know when he'll fall into the next slump, although he could unexpectedly win another OSL too. Risky. FBH has very weak TvP and can easily be sniped, but at least he is a good zerg and terran sniper himself. Hwasin has similar traits for 2 points less if you want such a player. Also, I'm not entirely convinced of UpMagic's and ZerO's reliability, and they are both on relatively weak teams for fewer teamwin points. by.hero is a cheap decent zerg on a good team and a great choice for 1 point, although unlikely to be played over Calm or July.
I'll point out my reasoning behind the players here and see if you can follow where I'm going with each one. July was 11-4 in both rounds, 8-1 in Round 2. He was 66%vT 100%vP and 40%vZ. We also know July is one of the players capable of producing a streak, AND he's at the lower end of that spectrum on the points. Using my strategy, he *IS* one point too expensive. Bisu was 15-3 overall, 10-1 in Round 2. His only loss was to Jaedong. He's excellent in all matchups, and is definitely capable of producing an all-kill. FBH went 15-7, 7-3 in Round 2. He's very tough vT and vZ and his vP in proleague is actually 50%. UpMagiC has 100% vZ, but is weak vP. Like the rest of the group, he could do very well or very poorly. ZerO was recently reduced to 4 points, and was 13-10 in proleague so far.. most wins out of that group besides Calm who would split with our last pick, by.hero. Just a shot in the dark at 1 point, but there really are very few other choices in that category.
On January 15 2009 22:43 Scorch wrote:
July and ZerO again You probably can't go wrong with Bisu and Flash, and I like Horang2 and by.hero as cheap players. For the record: from among the 4 teams, I like this one best.
Traded UpMagic and FBH for Flash and Horang2. Wanted to see if anyone talked about the difference in points they'd get here. Not much going on the thread though, so I'll just say that I expect Flash to score in the 40-50 range and Horang2 in the 15-25 range while UpMagiC and FBH will probably combine for 45-55 if they do well. This is the difference in picking streak players vs 1 kill wonders.
On January 15 2009 22:43 Scorch wrote:
I'd take Bisu over Best because Bisu has no weak matchups. One could find arguments for ForGG over Sea because he is on a stronger team. These are only nuances though, Best and Sea both rock. I have no faith in SangHo at all and I would never take him at this hefty price. Free is solid, but I have a gut feeling he can't keep it up for much longer, so I'd possibly take Kal over him. I don't expect much of Iris and especially Savior, who are both slumping players on the same sub-par team and aren't likely to bring in many points. I'd rather take a gamble with young guns who could at least potentially start owning.
Group 3 I went solely for proleague potential in the manner of saying that every player in this group will play MANY games in 2009. Iris being the possible exception, however.. he is one of the better Terrans on his team with some slightly Terran favored maps.
On January 15 2009 22:43 Scorch wrote:
Jaedong, Bisu AND Flash. Bam! The cheap guys should be solid choices for their prices too (well Guemchi is on Woongjin... meh). The question is whether a more balanced team would be better. How about one top player and three or even four in the 4-7 point range? The solution to many a problem in life is to find a balance, so I'd instinctively go for a less extreme team. Btw nice distribution of two of each race.
All teams have KTF, which is the correct choice in my opinion. I expect the score difference between (0)KTF and, say, (5)SKT1 to be smaller than the difference between a 1 cost and a 6 cost player. I also like how all have their top players distributed among several teams.
Big guns and lucky smalls? I'll agree that this strategy is the least risky and yet the most rewarding at the same time. It really hinges on your decisions about the 1-2 point players.. you can't choose a single bad one since your 0 point KTF pick is also weak. You will need 5 (things) on your team scoring decently well to win the league in my opinion. And yes, I did try not to make the mistake in any team of clumping the players from one squad.
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Updated the first post with how I chose my team.
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I'm seriously considering putting guemchi on my team instead of savior (don't lol)
1. This kid has started in almost every Woongjin game.
2. He's not that bad
3. He's leading off not once but twice
The problem is I have 1 extra point remaining that is being wasted Do I sacrifice stork and get Jangbi instead for added consistency? Idk, there are so many possible options :O
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k wanted to say some of the following things:
much like how "running back by committee" fucks up the fantasy value of running backs regardless of their skill level, so too do i feel the relative greatness of Samsung and SKT's protoss players will hurt their fantasy value. For example, if there is a protoss favored map, a team like Stars has only one choice (Free) whereas SKT and Samsung have 2. If you're stuck with the other player, you're screwed.
I also feel Leta will not do well in Winners league. Reason being is because a majority of his wins have come on three maps : (Neo) Harmony, (Sin) Chupon Reyong, and Rush Hour 3. Also, most of his wins have come against Terrans. In that aspect, I believe Leta's record is a bit inflated in that he's been played on perfect matchups on perfect maps (which a testament to great coaching). But in something like Winner's League where everything is much more randomized, I think versatility will be very important, and whether Leta possesses this trait is doubtful. Plus, he struggles a bit against P, and there's no stopping a Coach from exploiting this relative weakness, especially if he possesses at his wherewithal a dragon.
Finally, contrasted to the relative skill level/all-kill potential of Flash, KTFMagicNs is supremely undervalued. Not only do they have the same point value as ACE, which is ludicrous, but as KTF has always depended on Flash, and Flash is the premier Terran in starcraft right now, there is a high chance to score double points if you have both Flash and KTF. 8 points for Flash seems like a good value-- but 8 points for Flash and KTF is an extremely good deal, much like a Tom Brady -- Randy Moss type of combo from fantasy football.
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This is my (current) team:
Team name: No place for Jaedong
(9) BeSt
(7) JangBi (Captain)
(6) fOrGG
(5) Kal
(2) Horang2
(1) by.hero
(0) KTF MagicNs
My very first thought when I read the rules was that I definitely wanted my favorite player, Jaedong, and Flash, as well as SKT as my team. That turned out to be very expensive and I ended up having to take 0 cost players. So I took KTF in SKT's place to get some more breathing room. I also decided that I'd go with the Bisu/JangBi combo instead because that saves me 2 points and they are on the two teams I expect to do best. Jaedong can be replaced conveniently by his teammate fOrGG, who isn't that much worse, but 4 points cheaper. Now what to do with so many saved points? Buy another strong player of course, Kal for only 5 points. I now have four important players of the four top(?) teams. I don't expect to earn much with the last 3 points, so I might just take some risks with my last money. It has to be two promising young players with lots of potential, and at least one of them has to be zerg. I decide upon Horang2 and HoeJJa.
The latest iteration of changes consists of Bisu -> BeSt and HoeJJa -> by.hero. The former because Bisu and BeSt are somewhat equivalent, except + Show Spoiler +I just learned that Bisu kinda sucks and I don't want to risk taking a player who might fall into a slump after such harsh setbacks in the leagues.
So here I stand with four solid players of hopefully successful teams, and two fresh promising players. The greatest weakness is perhaps that I only have one zerg and terran, which could make trading difficult. I'd very much like to replace BeSt with Jaedong, but I just can't find that single point to spare. Any suggestions on this (and other comments of course!) are welcome.
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You could go with Stork or one of the 6 point Terrans instead of JangBi (who doesn't seem to ever play that many games) and pickup Jaedong.
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On January 16 2009 22:46 Carnac wrote:I'd be curious of what you think of my following possible teams (they all have KTF as team choice): (7) (P) JangBi (Captain) (6) (T) fOrGG(5) (Z) YellOw[ArnC](5) (P) free(5) (P) Kal(2) (T) iloveoov(10) (Z) Jaedong (Captain) (7) (P) JangBi(6) (T) fOrGG(2) (P) Horang2(3) (P) Pusan(2) (T) iloveoov(7) (P) JangBi (Captain) (8) (T) Flash(5) (Z) YellOw[ArnC](5) (P) free(3) (Z) Luxury(2) (T) iloveoovI'm really struggling when it comes to BeSt and Bisu, I'd love to have one of them on my team (my heart is with SKTT1 and they are both awesome), but with equally high cost, same race, similar strength I kind of fear that they cancel each other out to a certain extent. Same is true with Jangbi & Stork, due to a lesser degree, since they cost less.
I want to say Best>Bisu and Jangbi>Stork because Best and Jangbi seem more stable. Stork and Bisu, to a lesser extent, drops random games at times (i.e. prone to be sniped). Although when those guy are on their game, nothing could stop them, Best and Jangbi consistently plays at a high level.
As for your team, I don't see why you picked iloveoov instead of boxer. Both are in SKT, and both aren't going to win many games... And I also don't see why you chose yarnc over one of the 4 point zergs. He seems to be reaching his plateau right now and could easily slump, whereas the 4 pointer zergs are eager to show their full potential.
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I agree in that I don't like your oov choice as your 2 point play.
Here are the better 2 point players in my view:
Baby (T) FOX - Despite not looking like much of an intimidating player, he'll likely have a breakout sometime soon. In THIS field, he went 2-1 in proleague and 10-10 overall at the start of his career. Need I remind you, he's 14. He's 5-2 against Toss in theYear of the Dragons.
Canata OR Midas (T) SKT1 - One of them will play. The problem is, I don't know which. It really surprises me what happened with Midas. A 60% overall career win player on 300 games isn't getting sunlight, at all. Midas was 12-5 from April - July last year, and just .. disappeared. Canata, also - (5-12 since end of July~). Risky here, but pickable at 2 since they could be successful at any time.
Horang2 (P) SparkyZ - Easiest pick at 2 in my opinion. Showing to be stepping up to the plate with his latest win over Pusan, he plays on SPARKYZ who have absolutely no toss presence besides maybe splitting time with his friend, Tazza.
Iris (T) CJ - Sure fire player, will get you both wins and losses however. 7-5 in proleague so far, most wins from any 2 point player. CJ will need him to play well to do well in winners.
Much (P) CJ - Much like Iris (haha..), Much will need to play well for CJ to win. CJ has 6~ starters in my view, 2 of each race. I don't see any of them putting up 15 wins besides maybe EffOrt, but I don't see any of them putting up less than 4 wins.. and my expected value at a 2 point play is 4 wins.
Savior (Z) CJ - I think Savior is ready to make good on his promise. Is he going to lead the winner's league in kills? I don't think so personally. I think he's vulnerable in ZvT especially because his control is still a little sloppy. I don't like his chances at any all-kills. I DO like him for 8 wins which is just phenomenal for 2 points.
Tempest (P) KTF - Okay, so you're playing KTF.. everyone is. You don't have a toss on KTF besides Tempest to get any games. There isn't a race requirement in Winner's League, but KTF has to play Tempest if they want to be a contender. Tempest is balanced with no weak matchups and I expect around 50% wins from this guy. He's not a genius toss with incredible macro or anything, but he can get the job done. Flash can't lead off, and the maps change order every week. Sending out Luxury first is suicide on many maps, Tempest will be your guy.
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For the teams? I like your idea to play off Leta, Jaedong, JangBi and Flash's success. It seems like in your mind you've narrowed down those 4 teams to do well. Not a bad choice. Obviously, no contending team can afford Leta unless he's just.. monstrous.. in round 3. Next best thing? Yarnc and Horang. I don't think Yarnc will slump in winners. He won't all-kill, but I like his chances to take out the feeder players and force teams to turn out an ace to finish him. I like Free to play 15 games~, 11-4 would be a great record for him. In my mind your player needs 2X the games as his value, with 1X+1/2value wins along the same line in each round. Anything less than that and you're not going to get fantasy value you need from him. Lets look at Leta for a minute again, 7 point player in Round 2, he got 16 games (2x+2!) and 14 wins (2x!!!!). In Winners league, your top performers will get more games and will need more wins to compete. I wish I knew fOrGG would get a game every match. I'd start him for sure. He's VERY strong. Seeing Lomo play the other night in that 0-3 defeat made me scratch my head, however. HiyA, fOrGG, Jaedong should be Lecaf's top 3 right now. Jangbi should be solid, but I think there are some better picks in the 6 point range that would allow you to upgrade your team a little. I can't promise anything though, because the 4 and 5 and 6 point range is going to make or break everyone's teams.
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oh, my 2 pter choice isn't completely rational, I agree. It's just that I love him (very much), I saw he's starting vs Ace, so my theory was kinda to let him win some pts vs Ace and then trade him away, kind of a risk though, I admit.
I agree with your assessment of Horang2, I had him in one of my earlier teams as well. I also had Canata (and was tempted to take Midas or Iris instead of Canata), the reasoning is obvious.
Didn't think of Much for some reason and Savior... hmmm I dunno.
I'm also still undecided whether to go for a 2/2/2 racial balance or not.
Bleh, so much stuff to consider. Oh well... not much time left for the final decision
I don't have Leta in any of my teams, I simply think he is too expensive, despite his obvious strength. Imho the only player with a 2 digit value that is worth taking is Jaedong (good vs all races, no contending Z on his team, Tau Cross back in the map pool, on which he is 10-1).
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Team name: Tossgirl and Her Talented Team
(2) sAviOr
(8) Flash (Captain)
(10) Jaedong
(1) ToSsGirL
(2) Horang2
(7) JangBi
(0) KTF MagicNs
+ Show Spoiler +First off, I'd like to say that I have no idea what I'm doing. I've pored over stats, recent wins, names, ELO rankings (which BISU DROPPED HAHAHAHAHAH YES), and other such info. No, I didn't read that thread about HOW to pick your teams as I prefer people to pick how they want (people they like; all 0 cost, play to win, etc) instead of following set guidelines. For all the people who read this AND have knowledge of what in the hell they're doing, correct me if I'm wrong as I'd wanna win round 4 or whatever by learning from my mistakes.
Anyway... point 1: PvZ is dead. How is it dead? Well, whoever watched MSL Group A knows that Bisu got totally dismantled by Savior and Zero (if you didn't, now you do... and Magma put up a fight). From the look of those games, the solution was to never engage the Protoss rapemachine of ZelChon, but instead to harass the flying fuck out of his bases (oh and to exploit his negligence in micro from the 3 games he played). He (Bisu) seemed to never have his forces in position to defend against Zero and Savior's forces. At the same time, Savior's furious expoing (triple expo early on?) and the map itself are possible contributors to the downfall of one hailed "the next bonjwa" (yeahh... no, we'll see this happen when FBH massacres Free, Jangbi, and Best in one night), but hey, apparently where 2 ramps into a main was unfair, Bisu couldn't even defend 1. I took his ass out of my lineup FAST because he's already useless in an entire match-up, subbing in the obligatory Savior. Not because he raped Bisu, but because he knocked that Group-F-making whorebag out of the MSL (no credit goes to Zero for sealing the deal or anything, nope).
Don't get me wrong, he's still a monster in PvT, as a feverish Flash can attest to (playing with a fever is far GG-resultant than playing with drowse-inducing medication), I just don't care for it (as I love Flash, even after that surprise buttsecks Bisu shoved on him in their PL fight).
Tossgirl falls in the same boat as Savior: obligatory pick. With how she played against UpMagic (I didn't see the game itself, but read "she played a lot better than expected", I gather she's going to appear in more televised games. Besides, once July cleans her mess, she gets points for STX wins. If she wins, then YES YES YES all the better.
Flash is an auto-pick for me. Best Terran out there. I'll stick to my belief of Leta being over-rated despite never seeing a game of his. As an FBH fan, it pains me to not pick him, but if he gets sniped by DaezanG or someone that level my monitor's (and the laptop it's a part of) is breaking in half. Jaedong's new-age ZvT hasn't met with the Little Monster yet, who more than likely has some sort of solution to queen-play (who knows, he might steal the Fantasy build or something... not that I really know what that is). SkyHigh does his homework, but seeing as he doesn't know who he's gearing up for, I don't want him. Only other Terran I'd consider is Boxer...
Jaedong. He should be in everyone's team, imo, seeing as the only potentially problematic match-up for Zergs, ZvP, is wrecked. His ZvZ is poweroverwhelming, and his ZvT queenplay wasn't exactly friendly against Fantasy (who he raped right before a butt-hurt Bisu, I might add). Seriously, the only way he can go down would be in an epic ZvZ 12hat v 9pool that he could probably defend against anyway. Ignore that loss to UpMagic as... come on, what the hell, Lecaf? 0-3?
Jangbi was definitely a hard pick. With my minimalist point spending on KTFlash (seriously, whoever coined this is a genius), Horang2, Tossgirl, and Savior, I had a lot of leeway. Now, as ZvP has been figured out (if it weren't, then I really don't understand how even MAGMA almost beat Bisu), I couldn't rely on stats alone for this match-up to make a decision. His PvT is near 70% with a 5-game streak, and he's rolling P in a 3-game streak on top of that. I could have just as easily gone with Stork, who's cheaper and offers similar stats and a recent win against Flash (but a loss to Nada, what the hell?), but where would that spare point have gone? To Jangbi, of course!
Horang2 is an easy pick being 100% in ALL HIS GAMES!!! WHOA!! For 2 points, this is like finding Final Fantasy 7 in a clearance bin for $5 (which that over-rated Bisu-like game shoulda cost).
Other potential picks: by.Hero || JulyZerg || Pusan || Nada || Free || FBH || Sea
- No to the Hero. Why? I don't honestly know, but at 1 point, it really can't hurt to have him on your team.
- July's stats speak for themselves, and hell he's on a streak. Thing is, the only great win he's got is against FBH.
- For Pusan, I have no honest idea. I heard a lot of people saying (read them typing) that whatever team he's on should throw them into their lineup. First thing he's in an ace match, he wins.
- Nada... because it's Nada?
- Free is a monster. Some recent wins against Mind, Bisu, Savior (from a month ago so it doesn't count), and Great say a lot, no?
- FBH: NO! Any competent P can take him out, though his recent TvP hasn't gone tested. On the same note, going from being topped by B.Net players to suddenly fighting Best isn't fair measure.
- Sea: With Queens seeing game time, though I personally don't know how much time, you're going to need someone with Irradiate spam and insane army replenishment skills, and for that Sea's your guy... so long as he plays on the same level in his game against Jaedong.
Thoughts? Suggestions? changes? I dunno proscene newb here hha
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Your team is too common. I can almost guarantee your team has a copycat team in the league already. Maybe your tossgirl pick sets you apart, but that won't make you a winner. You need surprise and luck to win a league. If you're just looking to do well (top 10) then your team has as decent a shot as any 3big/3small team.
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I'm using Only one terran (Flash) i wont trade him anyway,seriously actually i need a 2nd zerg in my team, in case of by.hero fails and i need to trade him.
my team:
Team name: Bonjwa power
(9) Bisu (Captain)
(8) Flash
(7) JangBi
(3) Pusan
(1) by.hero
(2) iloveoov
(0) KTF MagicNs
i Really fear about Pusan, he is always a big hit or terrible miss. For HerO, he is in both leagues, i expect him to get a lot games in STX,STX have Only 5 guys playing in pl, but July is EXTREMELY unreliable, he could enter in a huge slump any time, so he could get a a lot of games.
For Bisu/best, Bisu will have more time to focus on pl and he has no weak mu, while you can not trust best when it comes to his pvz, a team could take him out with a good zvp'er.
Edit:SCREW HORANG I'M GOING FOR OOV! I LOVE OOV!
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I really feel like the maps favor Terran and the swing back to z > p that seems to be occurring means Terrans get more zergs to face out there. TvZ is just one area we haven't seen flourish at the top level yet in the last year. We're infested with the mech opening against lesser zergs, and I really hope zergs step up and shut it down like JD > Flash. Otherwise zergs will continue to struggle vT. Along with the maps chosen, I don't like having too many toss or zerg and I'd only go 3 terran if one of them is Flash.
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My team rigth now:
(4) ZerO
(6) Sea
(5) free (Captain)
(5) Kal
(2) sAviOr
(8) Flash
(0) KTF MagicNs
Flash will play, Flash will win, Flash will break streaks and flash might all kill. Having him + KTF is a good and not to point costy combo I think
I'm not sure about Zer0, having two player in Woogjin stars migth not be the best idea, but I believe that Him and free are the player we are going to see the most on WJS line up, so why not.
Sea,free and kal are not S-class player, but they are at least A-class and almost garanteed to play at every match.
Savior comes last, and we migth not see him as often as Effort, but i wanted another zerg, and for only 2 points, not much to hesitate. Plus he might turn into a destroyer, I believe !! =p (yes 'im a fanboy =p )
Any comments ?
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I like your team. The only question I have is why Sea over the other terrans in that group? MBC is the worst team in that category. If you don't like ZerO, consider Calm. Same points, more downside imo.. but a much better team. STX has a chance to run the table in Winners League more than anyone but Khan and SKT1, I think.
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(10) (Z)Jaedong (Captain)
(7) (P)JangBi
(8) (T)Flash
(1) (T)BoxeR
(2) (Z)sAviOr
(2) (P)Horang2
this is what my team looks like atm. Boxer is the huge question mark in this, but at the very least he will get me some SKT points, and I feel that he still is a good Z sniper. The Jae/Flash/Jangbi Combo will either be a huge success or a huge failure, but they are arguably the three best players of their respective races right now (Jangi is somewhere in the top5, the dragons are just very close skillwise) and all three have no matchup that you can consider weak. I would've loved to have either bisu or best on my team, but I fear that they might steal each other's points.
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On January 17 2009 05:51 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:(10) (Z) Jaedong (Captain) (7) (P) JangBi(8) (T) Flash(1) (T) BoxeR(2) (Z) sAviOr(2) (P) Horang2this is what my team looks like atm. Boxer is the huge question mark in this, but at the very least he will get me some SKT points, and I feel that he still is a good Z sniper. The Jae/Flash/Jangbi Combo will either be a huge success or a huge failure, but they are arguably the three best players of their respective races right now (Jangi is somewhere in the top5, the dragons are just very close skillwise) and all three have no matchup that you can consider weak. I would've loved to have either bisu or best on my team, but I fear that they might steal each other's points.
You could possibly take by.hero instead of Boxer. STX shouldn't get much fewer points than SKT, and by.hero is more likely to actually play than Boxer. Or you could take an up-and-comer like HoeJJa, Ruby or Tazza. There are quite a few promising deals for 1 point.
You could also think about exchanging Savior and Horang2 for Pusan plus another 1-pointer if you like.
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On January 17 2009 02:07 FzeroXx wrote:
Your team is too common. I can almost guarantee your team has a copycat team in the league already. Maybe your tossgirl pick sets you apart, but that won't make you a winner. You need surprise and luck to win a league. If you're just looking to do well (top 10) then your team has as decent a shot as any 3big/3small team.
There are almost no (less than 15 total) teams identical to each other so far out of over 900 entries.
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I'm really really having a tough time choosing between magma and horang2. Horang2 has a lot of potential and could become the next great protoss, or he could be mediocre. What really makes it tough, is that magma will likely get more playing time.
If OGN sends out leta first, decent chance horang wont play that match. If OGN sends out Yarnc, he might not play either. If one of the two doesnt all-kill, its still possible that the other will clean up and horang wont get a shot. And there are other potential players too. So horang's success as a pick depends on 2 things:
1) His own success as a player
2) how often he gets sent out first
On the other hand eSTRO has a smaller roster, and generally a weaker one as well. Really/upmagic cant realistically be counted on to all-kill, and eSTRO's coach has shown a willingness to send out magma in the past. We've also heard about magma's latent skill combined with his bad nerves on TV (remind anyone of jangbi? leta?).
In other words, magma is the more solid pick imo, but horang could potentially have a HUGE upside depending on how he plays and how often he gets sent out.
Also, with magma being eliminated from MSL, it makes one wonder whether he will slump or not.
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magma might get more playtime but neither are going to score many wins (magma has already proven that, while horang2 hasn't play enough to tell how good he is). with horang2, you also get points from ogn wins, which i bet will much greater than estro's. so if you're going to choose between two crappy players, why not choose the one with greater potential and a better team?
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On January 17 2009 02:37 FzeroXx wrote:
I like your team. The only question I have is why Sea over the other terrans in that group? MBC is the worst team in that category. If you don't like ZerO, consider Calm. Same points, more downside imo.. but a much better team. STX has a chance to run the table in Winners League more than anyone but Khan and SKT1, I think.
Anyone in charge of Fantasy League available to check on whether or not there really is a team that's exactly the same as mine or somewhere close? 'cause i don't want no copycat foolery and I can switch to me "balanced" team if the need be.
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On January 17 2009 10:56 caelym wrote:
magma might get more playtime but neither are going to score many wins (magma has already proven that, while horang2 hasn't play enough to tell how good he is). with horang2, you also get points from ogn wins, which i bet will much greater than estro's. so if you're going to choose between two crappy players, why not choose the one with greater potential and a better team?
thats a really good point actually
I've decided then
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On January 17 2009 12:09 xxsaznpride wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 02:37 FzeroXx wrote:
I like your team. The only question I have is why Sea over the other terrans in that group? MBC is the worst team in that category. If you don't like ZerO, consider Calm. Same points, more downside imo.. but a much better team. STX has a chance to run the table in Winners League more than anyone but Khan and SKT1, I think. Anyone in charge of Fantasy League available to check on whether or not there really is a team that's exactly the same as mine or somewhere close? 'cause i don't want no copycat foolery and I can switch to me "balanced" team if the need be.
No... we will not be checking for any individual that wants to be checked. Chances are extremely low that someone else has the same team as you (and that goes for anyone).
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On January 17 2009 12:11 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 10:56 caelym wrote:
magma might get more playtime but neither are going to score many wins (magma has already proven that, while horang2 hasn't play enough to tell how good he is). with horang2, you also get points from ogn wins, which i bet will much greater than estro's. so if you're going to choose between two crappy players, why not choose the one with greater potential and a better team? thats a really good point actually I've decided then
He is your enemy in these league! You let him coerce you so easily!!!
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On January 17 2009 12:17 semioldguy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 12:11 fusionsdf wrote:On January 17 2009 10:56 caelym wrote:
magma might get more playtime but neither are going to score many wins (magma has already proven that, while horang2 hasn't play enough to tell how good he is). with horang2, you also get points from ogn wins, which i bet will much greater than estro's. so if you're going to choose between two crappy players, why not choose the one with greater potential and a better team? thats a really good point actually I've decided then He is your enemy in these league! You let him coerce you so easily!!!
damn
but you're my enemy too!
HOW DO I DECIDE???
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On January 17 2009 12:43 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2009 12:17 semioldguy wrote:On January 17 2009 12:11 fusionsdf wrote:On January 17 2009 10:56 caelym wrote:
magma might get more playtime but neither are going to score many wins (magma has already proven that, while horang2 hasn't play enough to tell how good he is). with horang2, you also get points from ogn wins, which i bet will much greater than estro's. so if you're going to choose between two crappy players, why not choose the one with greater potential and a better team? thats a really good point actually I've decided then He is your enemy in these league! You let him coerce you so easily!!! damn but you're my enemy too! HOW DO I DECIDE???
muahhahahahahaha sucker
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Haha... I was going to change my team cus of what Fzero said, but then I got a headache trying to come up with what my balance team was at 40s on countdown, so I was like fuck it and got back on DotA.
Yeah.
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No worries, its over now.. TUNE IN TO OGN!!!
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Just ask Intrigue for advice in the future.
Intrigue - 28
Fzero - 4
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lol you say that now, but it's only been one night and he's got a shitload of players from teams playing tonight.
Best Bisu Stork Lux Oov KTF... O.o
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Half my team was tonight too.
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actually... he only has 27 points :p
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I had hoped to get more than 8 points with Flash, Jangbi, FBH and KTF Damn you Luxury! I'd rather have had FBH breaking Lux's streak, then Flash finishing it up.
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Anyone want to talk about how their teams are shaping up? Any first week impressions? Excited/disappointed with certain players?
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On January 20 2009 10:44 Fzero wrote:
Anyone want to talk about how their teams are shaping up? Any first week impressions? Excited/disappointed with certain players?
Team name: IMBA ~ fusionsdf
(8) (T)Flash (Captain)
(7) (Z)EffOrt
(5) (P)free
(6) (P)Stork
(2) (P)Horang2
(2) (P)Tempest
(0) KTF MagicNs
Total points: 30 (0 point(s) to spare)
I've been a bit unlucky so far, but eventually flash/effort/free are going to play. There really aren't any alternatives to that, so I'm not too worried. I chose those players not just because they were strong (as is stork), but because they were surrounded with players weak enough that they would 1) be chosen to play fairly often 2) don't have to worry too much about other players all-killing and robbing them of appearances (obviously this failed in the case of luxury)
Stork is chosen because he is well-rounded and despite a stacked khan team will probably get a lot of play. Also he opens vs ACE which should be an almost guaranteed all-kill
Horang2 is chosen just as much because hes on a team I expect to win a lot as because I expect him to do well.
Tempest is tempest ( I get added points with KTF wins: points from flash+tempest+KTF team choice means I do really really well as long as KTF wins) I also think he is ready to break out, and will probably get a couple chances to play.
I planned for the long term, so while I feel a bit unlucky I think I should fare pretty well at the end of it
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