EPTBut that's all going to change tho with the latest kernel. AMD is putting in some serious efforts to open source their ATI drivers so hopefully everything is going to be better.
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
But that's all going to change tho with the latest kernel. AMD is putting in some serious efforts to open source their ATI drivers so hopefully everything is going to be better. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On January 11 2009 13:45 FreeZEternal wrote: It's always ACPI that turns me off from Linux. My last desktop could not shutdown -.-;; Linux ACPI implementation has always being better and more according to standard than Windows. What chipset or desktop is your PC? I always find that for ACPI problem, the mobo vendor is always more to blame than the OS. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
I was always a windows user, because i was playing games mostly.. I had linux on for 2 months once only to do something, some school work, then like few months ago, i got a really nasty virus on my xp machine, and i couldnt get rid of it, and i decided to format and put on ubuntu 8.04.. My system is AMD 1800 xp + , 1,5 GB of ram and geforce 7600, so fairly old setup.. I couldnt be happier.. As you can see, i had no idea about linux before installing, since i was basicaly a newbie.. There was not one thing i had problem with, everything in ubuntu is so easy, community is great, boot is the same as XP, i dont notice any difference.. Don't want to make this too long so I'll come right down to the disappointment part. Linux was just overall slow and had this laggy feel. It took ages to install something (flash plugin for firefox for example) that would take like 10 seconds to install on XP. Browser performance was also worse than on XP. Everything you described is soo easy and fast on ubuntu that i have no idea how u could have this problems.. If i turn off 3D desktop, which can be little slower because of my hardware, it runs smooth as hell, and even with compiz, i have no isses.. Plugins work and were installed fast, there are hundreds of posts how to and since ubuntu has great support most , u can install by double clicking, or simply by downloading with sudo apt-get install [what-u-need].. Apart from the slow and unresponsive feel of everything it was just way too complicated and difficult to install stuff. Was trying to get Korean and Japanese input to work which took about 1 hour which is 59 minutes too long (never got it to work on kubuntu though). Had massive problems installing codecs and the Tahoma font. Most of the time googling wasn't very helpful because most of the sites I got were full of Linux pros speaking some language I didn't understand. So after playing around with ubuntu/kubuntu for 3 days I decided that it's not worth it if I can't speed up the system about 100% and got rid of it. I have no idea how u can say its complicated and difficult, as i have already mentioned, not one thing, and i didnt know anything about linux before, not one thing was even remotely hard to install.. And since i am a software engineer/programmer, i tryed a lot of stuff on my linux, and i have put a lot of work and time to set my linux the way i want it to be, from programs, the way my desktop look, fonts, response, security, connecting to my machine from office, etc etc, everything was very easy to set, and everything is greatly documented so even if i had no idea how to, i ve just opened a page and read about it.. But if you just want to use your linux machine like a normal user, you basicaly dont have to do much at all.. And yes, a common knowledge is that ATI is not so well supported, older version that is.. I ve learned soo much in those few months, from security, firewalls, shell commands, that were not necessary but made some things even easier, specialy if you wanted to do more with your linux machine, since ubuntu has a way making things as easy as possible, but that doesnt mean you cant do everything that the rest of distros can do, you can be hardcore user as well.. So was there something I did terribly wrong, is my laptop to slow for Linux or is Linux just a slow system after all? You had to have some software issue.. Its true i dont play games atm, since i dont have time, and i also will never try to convince someone that linux is a must, since the truth is, windows is enough for an average user, it gets the job done, and i see no reason why to install linux... But i have to say that since i installed ubuntu, i couldnt been happier.. Things that i especialy like updates, we all know how annoying it is that you must restart win computer to update.. almost no restart here.. security, with iptables you have complete control of internet traffic, even though you need to learn how to use it, there is a possibility if you want to, which i like.. u also have normal firewalls that takes like few second to install.. default user when you install is not administrator, but can use sudo which gives you less possibility to damage your system as a newbie. Almost no viruses, and even if u get virus, it will never run on administrator level, so it cant damage your system in the way that it wont function. great community..a lot of updates, fast error fixes, basicaly everything works, i can watch OSL MSL proleague, GSI, everything, even though its sometime annoying that i cant run GOM even though there is a possibility, -> WINE So basiacly i didnt expect it to be so easy to use linux tbh  , and i am a fairly good user now.. | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
People don't want to know that there's a great community for distro X. How many Windows communities do you know of? The user doesn't want to have to ask anyone how to do something on his OS - that should be background stuff, already known or so obvious that literally anyone can do it on the first try. Linux can be much faster than Windows, but it doesn't magically make hardware faster, and making people believe so only hurts its reputation. Ubuntu specifically targets Windows users, and tries to include every feature that Windows does, which unsurprisingly takes just about as much overhead as it does on Windows. On the other hand, there are distros that specifically go for 10-second boot time and are so lightweight they'll run on your microwave - but don't pretend that the distro you're pushing for the average noob is going to be like that. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On January 12 2009 01:02 BottleAbuser wrote: Linux marketers are doing it wrong. People don't want to know that there's a great community for distro X. How many Windows communities do you know of? The user doesn't want to have to ask anyone how to do something on his OS - that should be background stuff, already known or so obvious that literally anyone can do it on the first try. What ? Why wouldnt people want to know there is a great community? I ve choose ubuntu cause of it. With great community word comes around faster, and its easier to get help, if you need. And why users wouldnt want to ask for help? Even to know that there is a place to ask for help is great, and you dont need to ask for help to run ubuntu and do average stuff.. But if you want to do more, you need to RESEARCH.. We are all used to windows so we generally dont need to ask, but why would you need help to do anything on windowS? Write a sentence in word? Run a game? Install a game? Browse? Install a driver? You can do all this in ubuntu as well, without help.. But linux also includes a much more powerfull tool, shell, that advanced users can do a lot of stuff, and everytime you want to do something new, you have to learn about it.. ubuntu is so open to average user that you can do all that an average user wants to do without help.period. And community is great because your friend cant help you for example, since he doesnt use linux, so you have a place to ask around.. And yes, i forgot to mention one thing, linux is FREE.. Microsoft is not. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
People still try to rate Linux against M$ even the whole advantage of Linux isn't their greater speed or more reliability but rather their grant of control for the user and the ideal of freedom of what you use instead of getting spoon feed with little choice. That's why Linux is an OS for the power users who agree with the central ideology of open source and freedom of choice. No one in Linux tried to market their OS to outsiders but rather let it speaks for itself for those who are open minded. Marketing and sales is not what Linux users stand for so don't judge it by that. I say again, if you don't care about whether you can chose what you use then go back to M$. If you want to learn how to really use a computer and is in control of knowledge and power of what you own then back to the rabbit hole you go! | ||
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snowbird
Germany2044 Posts
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On January 13 2009 03:06 snowbird wrote: I gave ubuntu another try today and I have to take back most of the things I said in the OP. The first time I tried ubuntu I did the "Install inside Windows" (so in the same partition) mode, because I only had one partition on the laptop. This time I used partition magic and made a new one for Linux and yeah, it runs like 5 times faster now. Played around for a bit and I'm pretty satisfied, can also access the windows partition now so I have access to my stuff. My general needs (instant messaging, browsing, mail, office, watching videos, mp3s) are all taken care of, so I think I'll stick with it for a while and see what happens. Great to hear that, if you need any help feel free to ask | ||
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yoshtodd
United States418 Posts
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