• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:51
CEST 04:51
KST 11:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy18ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage1Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool51
StarCraft 2
General
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion [BSL22] RO32 Group Stage so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. Gypsy to Korea Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group F Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group E
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
China Uses Video Games to Sh…
TrAiDoS
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12181 users

I want to start programming

Blogs > clazziquai
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 18 2008 08:58 GMT
#1
But I do not know where to start.
I've asked a friend, and he gave me a couple of e-books.

One involved python, another with C++. However he told me that I should study, know Java or Javascript (I forgot) if I want to start programming. So he told me to get either BlueJ or Textpad while learning Javascript. He also gave me the basic tutorial on www.java.sun.com but is it true that I need to know a little bit of HTML before I actually start JAVA? A search on google recommends or already assume that I know HTML....

Anyways, there MUST be some programmers out there. I have a two questions:

1. How should I start off? Java? Then go on to other stuff.
2. What are the recommended books? (I am learning this by myself btw)

**
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 18 2008 09:08 GMT
#2
As someone like me, I've never been fond of "dummies guide etc etc" (reading manuals is for noobs blah blah), I like to use videos more than books for tutorial guides. And then when I get a basic Idea I head to books
dats racist
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
November 18 2008 09:09 GMT
#3
I would recommend you C++ and HTML for beggining if you`re ambitious. If not then PHP + HTML is good too. Java is actually MUCH slower than C++ so it will propably never knock C++ out... so C++ is still more useful.
I started learning C++ from various e-books (just use google), And don`t get dissappointed if you can`t get something reading it for the first time.
Good luck!
"Somebody you are talking to disappears mid sentence, and the universe shoots you because you talked to someone that wasn`t there." - MasterOfChaos
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
November 18 2008 09:09 GMT
#4
He probably meant Java and not Javascript. And I agree, Java is a nice language to start with, since it's object-oriented and there's a lot of things you can do.
And you don't have to know html to start with Java, Java is not only for web apps and I don't think you'll start making apps for the web.

So yeah, Java is a good start, its pretty similar to C++ but it's easier to get going if you don't know any C. Python is also a nice programming language for beginners, though that doesn't mean they're not powerful.

Sorry but I can't recommend you any specific book =(
Freedom is a stranger
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
November 18 2008 09:09 GMT
#5
Learning programming is usually quite boring unless there's something to motivate you. Like you're making games or useful applications. Well that's my opinion anyway, some people are fine spending hours learning syntax and algorithms.

I have only used html, python and delphi so I can't really give any advice on java. I really like python though.
No I'm never serious.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 18 2008 09:10 GMT
#6
So C++ is better to start off with? I'm confused D:
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-18 09:13:44
November 18 2008 09:11 GMT
#7
It`s a bit harder but more useful imo.
EDIT: And 99.9% of operating systems and games is made in C++
"Somebody you are talking to disappears mid sentence, and the universe shoots you because you talked to someone that wasn`t there." - MasterOfChaos
Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-18 09:18:00
November 18 2008 09:13 GMT
#8
I would not recommend to start with C++. Well, Python is easier. But IMO, the norm would be to start with Java or C.

HTML and Javascript are different things and are for the internets. Basic HTML is easy but you shouldn't bother with it until you meet it in your programming journey.
"Eyes in the sky."
MasterZilla
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Sweden234 Posts
November 18 2008 09:21 GMT
#9
I started with C++ as my first language, and while today I am happy I did, it was a quite tough time to get started.

Start off with Java or C/C++ and you will get good at thinking like a programmer. After that you can change language quite easily.

Also, like someone said, don't try to learn programming by only reading books and following the tutorials. Try and make a small game, and put everything you read into that, and take any questions you have and read up on that specifically.

My first game was a small nibbels (snake) type game, it took me 6 moths to complete and tought me a lot about classes and C++.
For Aiur! - If you reach for the stars and miss, you still might end up walking among the clouds.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
November 18 2008 09:31 GMT
#10
Python is by far the best language for learning how to program from scratch, but C/C++ is still by far the most used language. Java is also good starting language, but it really does so much for you that you'll miss out on a lot of stuff (its design philosophy is kinda weird)
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 18 2008 10:15 GMT
#11
So it's basically personal preference on where I want to start.

So if I want to start it easy, I should start on either Java, Python, or C.
If I feel like I'm up for the challenge, start with C++!?
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
November 18 2008 10:27 GMT
#12
Not again.. I read "progaming" instead of "programming".
Brood War loyalist
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 18 2008 10:39 GMT
#13
On November 18 2008 19:15 clazziquai wrote:
So it's basically personal preference on where I want to start.

So if I want to start it easy, I should start on either Java, Python, or C.
If I feel like I'm up for the challenge, start with C++!?



It's not a matter of easy or difficult, I sincerely believe that one should start with Java. Java introduces the concept of OOP in a very clear manner and removes all the headaches that even bother the brightest people. Java is a much better starting point.

I would strongly suggest a course (from your institution, or take a night class) than going through a book. Books are extremely boring, and you need superman determination to finish one back-to-back. But I recommend books over e-books, as e-books introduce much more distraction.

When you learn Java, learn it well. After you have the basics down -- mainly polymorphism, try to understand how things really work (i.e. at the memory level). After that, you can start learning C++ if you wish. Pointers and memory management will make much more sense then.

I personally started with C++ due to my high school curriculum, and I think was an extremely bad choice now that I've become more experienced.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
KarlSberg~
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
731 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-18 10:47:58
November 18 2008 10:46 GMT
#14
Java is a bit easier than C++.
It has a bit more constraints (to prevent you from messing up)
It does some things automatically (handling memory mostly)
All in all it is a bit more rigid, you can't optimize what you do to the core but if you are a beginner you won't want to.
Also getting memory errors and heritage mess can be very very very annoying in C++.
There are 01 kind of people who know binary. Those who understand little endian and those who don t.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 18 2008 10:47 GMT
#15
Hm, okay, I will start with Java.

Ultimately, I want to learn C++.

What are the common class names that teach "Java"? or the basics of programming?

#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Moaf_
Profile Joined September 2006
Austria76 Posts
November 18 2008 10:51 GMT
#16
I also wouldn't recommend C++ as your learning language, there are too many confusing things to learn as a beginner. I've learned programming with Pascal - it's easier to understand because the coding style is more convenient. I recommend you to get to learn how procedural- and object oriented programming works first before moving up to "heavier" languages. Btw... what do you want to program? Maybe it's not even necessary to learn C++... in my opinion Java and especially C# outrank C++ in terms of productivity and accessibility by far.
No Risk - No Fun
x89titan
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
November 18 2008 10:56 GMT
#17
computer language is sooo0o0o0o0 boring. hope you have a good hobby to put it to good use and on your resume (hacking).
Heaven came down and glory filled my soul, when at the cross the Savior made me whole
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-18 11:02:24
November 18 2008 11:00 GMT
#18
On November 18 2008 19:51 Moaf_ wrote:
Btw... what do you want to program? Maybe it's not even necessary to learn C++... in my opinion Java and especially C# outrank C++ in terms of productivity and accessibility by far.


Actually, yea, I agree with this. With Java (server) and C# (client) becoming ever popular, C++ might not be necessary for you to learn (unless you want to develop games or IPhone apps).

However, imo, C++ to Programming is like Latin/Greek to Languages (of the Western world). It is very useful, and it will expand your horizons.

As for classes, afaik, there aren't any "java" classes (maybe in community college). Most classes, especially introductory classes, will introduce the fundamentals of computer science via a computer language, and that is largely based on the lecturer's discretion, though Java is much more often chosen than C++ for reasons mentioned above. Ask the registrar's office for details.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 18 2008 11:01 GMT
#19
On November 18 2008 19:47 clazziquai wrote:
Hm, okay, I will start with Java.

Ultimately, I want to learn C++.

What are the common class names that teach "Java"? or the basics of programming?




If you are in a University, try CS1XX. I have no idea with regards to night classes. Probably something like "Introduction to Programming".
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
November 18 2008 11:02 GMT
#20
When I was starting out I found the biggest help to just be messing around with other peoples codes. Tutorials like: do this => then do this => I always found to suck because I always found they didn't really explain how to adapt it to different situations.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
00:00
TLMC #22: Map Judging #1
CranKy Ducklings61
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 230
ROOTCatZ 70
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 6082
Artosis 690
Noble 23
Dota 2
monkeys_forever874
NeuroSwarm143
League of Legends
JimRising 703
Counter-Strike
taco 589
C9.Mang0319
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox459
Mew2King42
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor61
Other Games
summit1g10674
tarik_tv4966
Day[9].tv422
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1189
BasetradeTV142
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 69
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo308
Other Games
• Scarra804
• Day9tv422
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
7h 10m
PiGosaur Cup
21h 10m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 21h
The PondCast
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Team League
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Team League
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W2
IPSL Spring 2026
Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
uThermal 2v2 Last Chance Qualifiers 2026
RSL Revival: Season 5
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.