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nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
November 16 2008 13:34 GMT
#1
Just ban Python, luna, bluestorm and all those used unoriginal maps from the map pool forever. Its just aggravating seeing "D+ Python" every single week of the month. They could at least force people to learn and adapt to new maps....

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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-16 13:39:26
November 16 2008 13:39 GMT
#2
imo Python is a fun map. I play it often. I dont like luna tho...
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 16 2008 13:40 GMT
#3
I love Python, it's the best map ever made in MY opinion, but too bad not many people like it now ><

I prefer other maps too, thus I play more MOTW games these days ^^;
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keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
November 16 2008 13:44 GMT
#4
Yeah, the new maps are way more fun even if they can be harder to get a hang of. Compared to Python that every person has played on like hundreds of times. :3
At least people are trying to play more maps now, a couple of weeks ago people would never join my games on the new maps. :|
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nimysa
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States383 Posts
November 16 2008 13:50 GMT
#5
I have seen much more better maps then Python, maybe its because you're so used to it, I think it sucks because of the pathing of the map and MANY things, its far from being BEST.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 16 2008 14:16 GMT
#6
I like Python and Blue Storm. But I also like Destination, Chupung, Medusa etc...
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Guss
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Sweden712 Posts
November 16 2008 14:29 GMT
#7
please good god why do they have LOST TEMPLE 2.4 as a MOTW? LOST FUCKING TEMPLE? What makes it worse is that there are about 10x more LT games then Destination or Byzantium games! PLAY THE NEW MAPS PEOPLE
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ilovehnk
Profile Joined October 2008
475 Posts
November 16 2008 14:57 GMT
#8
people seldom want change, they are afraid ...
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Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
November 16 2008 14:58 GMT
#9
What's unoriginal abuot blue storm?

I'd never seen a map like it and it confused the hell out of me when I first saw it.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 16 2008 15:35 GMT
#10
On November 16 2008 23:58 Pads wrote:
What's unoriginal abuot blue storm?

I'd never seen a map like it and it confused the hell out of me when I first saw it.


I only played Blue Storm for a month or two after its release because of how much it interested/confused me
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
November 16 2008 15:38 GMT
#11
Python is a very good map, that is undeniable. But yes people should play a variety of maps.
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 16 2008 15:48 GMT
#12
I, too, get angry at people looking for games on popular maps
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riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
November 16 2008 15:49 GMT
#13
Python is a classic, and people overplaying it just shows how popular it is. It is very popular at the lower end of the ladder because it's a good map to develop the basics on. Having said that, I do agree that people need to get out and play other maps.
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Rayzorblade
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1172 Posts
November 16 2008 16:49 GMT
#14
On November 16 2008 23:29 Guss wrote:
please good god why do they have LOST TEMPLE 2.4 as a MOTW? LOST FUCKING TEMPLE? What makes it worse is that there are about 10x more LT games then Destination or Byzantium games! PLAY THE NEW MAPS PEOPLE


It's been kind of refreshing to play LT after people only play Python nowadays.
PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
November 16 2008 16:54 GMT
#15
the question is, why would you care? It's not like people playing on popular maps are detracting them from playing new maps.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
November 16 2008 16:57 GMT
#16
On November 17 2008 00:49 riptide wrote:
Python is a classic, and people overplaying it just shows how popular it is. It is very popular at the lower end of the ladder because it's a good map to develop the basics on. Having said that, I do agree that people need to get out and play other maps.


This is why it's popular. Most people want to focus on improving mechanics and Python is a great map to do it on.
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
November 16 2008 17:07 GMT
#17
imo they should replace MOTW with MOTD. Playing the same two maps for a week gets really boring.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
November 16 2008 17:12 GMT
#18
On November 17 2008 01:57 Salv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2008 00:49 riptide wrote:
Python is a classic, and people overplaying it just shows how popular it is. It is very popular at the lower end of the ladder because it's a good map to develop the basics on. Having said that, I do agree that people need to get out and play other maps.


This is why it's popular. Most people want to focus on improving mechanics and Python is a great map to do it on.


yep thats pretty much the reason I play it so often
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Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
November 16 2008 17:14 GMT
#19
It was the same issue back in the days with Lost temple. (1v1 LT no noob)

Actually, the only thing you have to do is remove the cliffs from natural, and then Lost temple = Python.

Guess we have a winner pattern there
Resistance ain't futile
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24768 Posts
November 16 2008 17:18 GMT
#20
I honestly dislike large amounts of map variety (just ask anyone lol) because I always feel like I have more maps to learn rather than focus on playing well, so when the motw is boring it makes me happy. When they have a boring motw and a unique motw, people complain about all iccup players playing on the boring one, but that is the fault of the community... not the motw choices.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 16 2008 17:38 GMT
#21
I cant stand python. If something is not done soon I might just quit starcraft. How can ANYONE play on the same map again and again and again and again and again et y infitum? Not only that, but map is basic, simplistic, and just down right ugly.

It sucked when it started, but it sucked even harder when it spread like a damn virus.
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Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
November 16 2008 17:41 GMT
#22
On November 16 2008 23:29 Guss wrote:
please good god why do they have LOST TEMPLE 2.4 as a MOTW? LOST FUCKING TEMPLE? What makes it worse is that there are about 10x more LT games then Destination or Byzantium games! PLAY THE NEW MAPS PEOPLE

Well newer replays on LT are rather entertaining, so it's not all bad.
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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3471 Posts
November 16 2008 18:04 GMT
#23
I can understand that python becomes boring in the end but Blue Storm is very interesting as a map. And anyways iCCup is a ladder so they need people, that s why they wont remove popular maps
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
November 16 2008 18:05 GMT
#24
I just look at Python and want to fall asleep.

Fuck that map. -_-
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
November 16 2008 18:11 GMT
#25
They should bring back Gorky Island.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
November 16 2008 18:15 GMT
#26
You realise if they remove python something will just take it's place and you'll end up hating that because it gets over played too right
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
November 16 2008 18:23 GMT
#27
On November 16 2008 22:50 nimysa wrote:
I have seen much more better maps then Python, maybe its because you're so used to it, I think it sucks because of the pathing of the map and MANY things, its far from being BEST.


Actually in my opinion python has some of the best pathing around. Many of the new maps have fucked up pathing due to cool tricks like having areas blocked by mineral patches. Python doesn't have any of these.

In any case, luna is terrible and I don't know what the FUCK iccup was thinking putting lost temple into the maps of the week this past week, but python and blue storm are good maps.
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HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
November 16 2008 18:34 GMT
#28
Seconded; Python mapping is pretty good. Luna's is horrible and annoying, often splitting units on those side ridges. bleh
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Bond(i2)
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada926 Posts
November 16 2008 19:18 GMT
#29
wow u guys are fanatics. Just deal with it, join the games that aren't python luna or LT if you're so serious about this map problem. They aren't bad maps, they're really good maps and the most playable, which is why they are so popular.
How can anyone shit talk LT? it hasnt been mainstream for the past 2 years. The strategies you can use on this map are so diverse and different from the maps we've been playing for the past 2 years, it's a nice change.
I admit, python isnt my favorite map, but who cares if everyone else plays it. They have good reason to, it emphasizes the basics and theres no serious imbalance. So what if they play it, thats not stopping you from joining motw games.
Basically most beginner to intermediate players don't want to have to learn 5 new maps every season, they'd rather master the basics on a solid map and work their way up in skill from there. There's no reason for people to get mad at that fact. You can still have fun just avoiding those maps.
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anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
November 16 2008 19:21 GMT
#30
On November 17 2008 02:38 Dazed_Spy wrote:
How can ANYONE play on the same map again and again and again and again and again et y infitum?

Because they want to get better.

What do you think pro gamers are doing?
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
November 16 2008 20:53 GMT
#31
Luna's my fave yo
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
BisuBuild
Profile Joined September 2008
Sweden36 Posts
November 16 2008 20:55 GMT
#32
On November 16 2008 22:40 clazziquai wrote:
I love Python, it's the best map ever made in MY opinion, but too bad not many people like it now

I prefer other maps too, thus I play more MOTW games these days ^^;

DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
November 16 2008 21:42 GMT
#33
On November 17 2008 05:53 RoieTRS wrote:
Luna's my fave yo

Gah, screw Luna and its 8 total geysers. ><
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 16 2008 22:03 GMT
#34
Python is the very definition of a standard map now, which is kind of cool, but it also makes the games really kind of boring that are played on it.
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MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
November 16 2008 22:24 GMT
#35
when i first really started to play I thought Longinus 2 was an easier map than Python.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
November 16 2008 22:44 GMT
#36
On November 17 2008 04:18 Bond(i2) wrote:
wow u guys are fanatics. Just deal with it, join the games that aren't python luna or LT if you're so serious about this map problem. They aren't bad maps, they're really good maps and the most playable, which is why they are so popular.
How can anyone shit talk LT? it hasnt been mainstream for the past 2 years. The strategies you can use on this map are so diverse and different from the maps we've been playing for the past 2 years, it's a nice change.
I admit, python isnt my favorite map, but who cares if everyone else plays it. They have good reason to, it emphasizes the basics and theres no serious imbalance. So what if they play it, thats not stopping you from joining motw games.
Basically most beginner to intermediate players don't want to have to learn 5 new maps every season, they'd rather master the basics on a solid map and work their way up in skill from there. There's no reason for people to get mad at that fact. You can still have fun just avoiding those maps.


when I started playing half a year ago LT was mainstream on bnet (1v1 noobs only LT)

now its python
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
November 16 2008 22:49 GMT
#37
They cant just ban maps. They try to encourage the use of different maps through MOTW in order to get a better mix. IMO it seems to be working
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
November 17 2008 00:56 GMT
#38
On November 17 2008 03:11 HeadBangaa wrote:
They should bring back Gorky Island.

I fucking love gorky island
Oh no
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
November 17 2008 01:33 GMT
#39
The only mistake they make is having these overplayed maps (andro python luna lt blue storm, the middle 3 especially) ever ever be motw. They don't even exist in the pro circuit anymore, so why should they be even allowed over much better maps of the past (rov peaks bifrost etc). If blue storm/andromeda are overplayed, whatever, at least they are current. At least they do this with longinus, which I'm happy for. But practicing on Python/LT/Luna is just gimping yourself overall. Mass mechanics can be practiced better on other maps (andro colesseum othello etc), since they are more reflective of the current setting and you won't have any transitional problems.

Having Python as MOTW was the stupidest idea possible. No other map appeared on the list during that week. If the trio existed but counted for less points and were never motw, everything would be fine.
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YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
November 17 2008 01:39 GMT
#40
YES BLUESTORM THIS WEEK MOTW <3 <3 <3 ^^
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 17 2008 01:57 GMT
#41
On November 17 2008 10:39 YPang wrote:
YES BLUESTORM THIS WEEK MOTW <3 <3 <3 ^^


NICE
my second favorite map.

i would say for me are:
1. python
2. blue storm
3. longinus 2
4. tau cross
5. andromeda
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JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1806 Posts
November 17 2008 03:33 GMT
#42
They can't ban python for goodness sake. Its the only map I've been playing since I was a D(now D+).
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NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
November 17 2008 03:53 GMT
#43
This is probably the gayest topic I've EVER seen - other than the Shower Strategy blog. Thats like saying """""PLEASE BAN THESE MAPS B.C. TOO MANY PPL PLAY THESE MAPS AND ARE MECHANICALLY GOOD AT IT.""""" grow up and practice more.


If your complaining about unoriginal maps then you should talk about using BWMN maps. you tran.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1281 Posts
November 17 2008 04:43 GMT
#44
The maps being popular is exactly a good reason to play them. It means they will stick around for ages. Not all people find learning a map interesting, so it's pointless for them playing new maps if the maps are going to disappear off the radar in a few months if not less.

Personally, I'd rather get better at the game, than have to waste time playing people who wonder around the map not exactly sure where everything is, and personally, I'd rather not spend 3 or 4 games on a map doing that myself each time a new map is no longer popular.
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