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obviously the choices are going to be your opinion and bias. i thought you could at least add some of the classics.
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On September 01 2008 01:34 DhakhaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 01:28 clazziquai wrote:
Cunninlynguists are SOOOOOOOOOOO good. I love 616 Rewind - my favorite song by them or it could also be Dying Nation :D 616 rewind is a sick tune. celph titled has an epic verse. "kill an unborn baby and you still couldn't de-fetus" :D
also
the closest you ever came to a punchline was waiting for refreshments at the prom in 89!
omg sickk
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On September 01 2008 04:25 HehawHehaw wrote:obviously the choices are going to be your opinion and bias. i thought you could at least add some of the classics.
Well, I commented on that. I do have all the classics, and I love them to pieces, but if you read to the end of the post you would have seen that I said:
You guys might notice that most of these albums are fairly new. Most popular genres evolve very rapidly, and music that was revolutionary ten years ago sounds stale to the untrained ear. Because of this, I think that its important to stay up to date in contemporary genres like hip hop and indie. This doesn't mean that old hip hop can't be appreciated, it just cannot be appreciated as instinctively.
The classics are great, and they defined the genre, but I think if we want to look at what is great in the genre for the contemporary listener, that is, what is great if measured by today's standards and all historicity is taken out of the equation, then it has to be contemporary hip hop, and not the classics. That doesn't mean that the classics aren't great in their own right, it just means that they are not great as contemporary hip hop music.
The goal of this guide wasn't to educate people about the history of a genre and look at all the important milestones of the genre, it's to get people to listen to music they might not have listened to in the past, and unfortunately, historical value in a genre can only be appreciated by someone that already appreciates the genre. When learning to appreciate a new genre of music, a front to back approach is much more effective than a chronological approach in my opinion. First appreciate what you can understand intuitively, and then move backwards to understand where that comes from.
In my metal guide I won't have any Morbid Angel cds for the same reason. They are masterpieces in their own right, but from our contemporary standing, they are only masterpieces when their historical context is taken into account.
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damn man, some sick stuff. i especially love the cunning lynguists..
I agree with Daigomi on "The classics are great, and they defined the genre, but I think if we want to look at what is great in the genre for the contemporary listener, that is, what is great if measured by today's standards and all historicity is taken out of the equation, then it has to be contemporary hip hop, and not the classics"
Possibly suggest more? =D I'm only used to listening to korean hip hop because I hated all the mainstream hip hop in America, although it's what got me into hip hop in the first place.
btw, if you can, can you post where i can download albums by full for all these artists?
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i'd recommend the classics not for any particular historical value but just because its better then 99.9% of contemporary shit i hear. maybe this stuff you recommended is great i wouldnt really know but most of the great hip hop was made over 10 years ago and thats what you need to recommend to people
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Unforunately I'm not allowed to post links here, since that would be against the rules of TL and illegal. However, I'm sure if you look around on the internet and torrent sites you could find these albums.
If you're looking for more albums to enjoy you can get all the albums by the mentioned artists. Blue Scholars have a self-titled album that's quite good (although the production isn't as good as on Bayani), Cyne has a few very nice EPs, my favourite being the Growing EP. All the Kanye West albums are good, if not entirely consistent as I said earlier. Lupe Fiasco isn't bad either, although he is one of the artists that I feel makes incredible songs, and then just makes dreadfully boring songs, even more so on The Cool than on Food & Liqour.
Someone mentioned GZA earlier, and Liquid Swords by GZA is an instant classic for me, even if it's quite old by now, I think it can still be appreciated. Hmm... after that Marco Polo's album Port Authority is good, Nas's Hip Hop is Dead is a very nice hip hop concept album, some weak tracks but some awesome tracks. Also, you can get all the RJD2 albums, especially both the Gettin' Jukie Wid It albums, they are not only nice collections, but they might introduce you to other new artists which you can then explore.
Oh, and I almost forgot, CunninLynguists' A Piece of Strange is also very enjoyable.
Haha, that should keep you busy for a while.
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On September 01 2008 05:04 daz wrote:
i'd recommend the classics not for any particular historical value but just because its better then 99.9% of contemporary shit i hear. maybe this stuff you recommended is great i wouldnt really know but most of the great hip hop was made over 10 years ago and thats what you need to recommend to people
Agreed, 90s > Current.
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On September 01 2008 05:57 Kula wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 05:04 daz wrote:
i'd recommend the classics not for any particular historical value but just because its better then 99.9% of contemporary shit i hear. maybe this stuff you recommended is great i wouldnt really know but most of the great hip hop was made over 10 years ago and thats what you need to recommend to people Agreed, 90s > Current.
Look, I understand what you guys are saying, but you must understand that you aren't seeing it from an ahistorical perspective either. Contemporary genres of music are always made for their context, which is why people who are in the context now enjoy current hip hop music. If you enjoy 90s hip hop then it's likely that you started enjoying hip hop in the 90s and have not enjoyed the transformation since then, or you're looking at it from a historical perspective (which isn't a bad thing at all). It's not impossible for someone to enjoy 90s hip hop music without having enjoyed it in its original context, but it's unlikely, and it's not true for most people.
The fact of the matter is that contemporary music is aimed at a contemporary audience, and as I've said, all music can be enjoyed if you try to understand the context of the music. Because of that, contemporary hip hop is not worse than the 90s (maybe on average it has less content, because it's more popular which means there are more artists, but that doesn't mean the gems of todays hip hop shine any less than those of old hip hop), it's just aimed at a different context, the context in which most modern people live their lives.
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hey daigomi thanks for the guide! cyne was exactly what i was looking for =] i should have known to download an album after all those sick nujabes tracks i've heard
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Most of Great Hip Hop was made in the 90s. When recommending Hip Hop and not "comtemporary" Hip Hop, the best albums of the 90's should be recommended.
Isn't this a guide for people who don't listen to hip hop? I doubt it makes a difference recommending them newer hip hop especially since the 90s is better.
This might as well be a Contemporary Hip Hop Guide.
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On September 01 2008 06:44 Kula wrote:
Most of Great Hip Hop was made in the 90s. When recommending Hip Hop and not "comtemporary" Hip Hop, the best albums of the 90's should be recommended.
Isn't this a guide for people who don't listen to hip hop? I doubt it makes a difference recommending them newer hip hop especially since the 90s is better.
This might as well be a Contemporary Hip Hop Guide.
Firstly, you don't really have any way to back up what you are saying. Using what objective measure was the great hip hop made in the 90s?
Secondly, when recommending hip hop, the best albums for the listener (that is, the people who read this guide) should be recommended, and in general that is contemporary hip hop. Recommending classic hip hop, while flattering to the purist, is not what the new and untrained listener is looking for. The music that is recommended must be the most accessible, and since contemporary hip hop is aimed at now, and being accessible now, it is the most accessible form of hip hop for this current time.
You say that since they don't listen to hip hop in any case, they won't know the difference. Are you thus also saying that if I was to play someone who doesn't really like pop music but who is otherwise still a modern person in all ways, Patti Page's "How Much is that Doggy in the Window", the respective pop music from the 50s, rather than some popular song from the contemporary era, the average person wouldn't notice the difference, and would like both songs the same similarly?
Popular genres of music are always aimed to be accessible to as many people as possible, whether they are fans of the genre or not. The reason why the radio station would play 50 cents' "in da club" and not some X-Clan or NWA track is because the contemporary, untrained audience finds contemporary hip hop music more accessible than classic hip hop. I'm not saying 50 is any good, I'm saying the sound is designed for the audience of now, and if I can present the best of the contemporary sound, then that would be a much more useful guide to listeners of now, than some classic guide in which they don't truly connect with or enjoy the music.
For the purist, there are some classic albums that might never be surpassed. Some albums which change hip hop forever. However, disregarding this historical value of those albums, the tracks on those albums would rarely cut it in the modern context. You can't disagree with that. What you differ with me on, fundamentally, is what you think the purpose of my guide should be. You think it should have the five most important hip hop albums ever made on it, while I think it should have the five most entertaining or enriching albums for the moment on it. Fortunately this is my guide, with my clearly defined purpose of making new genres accessible and enjoyable for people, thus my albums can stay.
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not bad daigomi. not bad at all.
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On September 01 2008 07:02 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 06:44 Kula wrote:
Most of Great Hip Hop was made in the 90s. When recommending Hip Hop and not "comtemporary" Hip Hop, the best albums of the 90's should be recommended.
Isn't this a guide for people who don't listen to hip hop? I doubt it makes a difference recommending them newer hip hop especially since the 90s is better.
This might as well be a Contemporary Hip Hop Guide. Firstly, you don't really have any way to back up what you are saying. Using what objective measure was the great hip hop made in the 90s?
The best rappers of the genre are from the 90s. Where else would the great hip hop be?
Secondly, when recommending hip hop, the best albums for the listener (that is, the people who read this guide) should be recommended, and in general that is contemporary hip hop.
And how do you back this up? I guess we disagree here on what to recommend.
Recommending classic hip hop, while flattering to the purist, is not what the new and untrained listener is looking for.
That's assuming music now is more accessible. And I don't neccesarily recommend the classics, just saying that the 90s are a good listen(or even better listen) as well and shouldn't be ignored.
The music that is recommended must be the most accessible, and since contemporary hip hop is aimed at now, and being accessible now, it is the most accessible form of hip hop for this current time.
I disagree with recommended music having the be the most accessible. Good music should be recommended, dispite age.
You say that since they don't listen to hip hop in any case, they won't know the difference. Are you thus also saying that if I was to play someone who doesn't really like pop music but who is otherwise still a modern person in all ways, Patti Page's "How Much is that Doggy in the Window", the respective pop music from the 50s, rather than some popular song from the contemporary era, the average person wouldn't notice the difference, and would like both songs the same similarly?
I'm not saying they won't know the difference, I'm saying it makes no difference what you recommend as long as it's good.
Popular genres of music are always aimed to be accessible to as many people as possible, whether they are fans of the genre or not. The reason why the radio station would play 50 cents' "in da club" and not some X-Clan or NWA track is because the contemporary, untrained audience finds contemporary hip hop music more accessible than classic hip hop.
I always thought it's because they always play newer music instead of oldies.
I'm not saying 50 is any good, I'm saying the sound is designed for the audience of now, and if I can present the best of the contemporary sound, then that would be a much more useful guide to listeners of now, than some classic guide in which they don't truly connect with or enjoy the music.
That's why this should be a guide to Contemporary Hip Hop.
I also disagree with others not truly connecting with older music. If Tupac was alive, I'd still connect and enjoy his music the same as I enjoy his older music.
For the purist, there are some classic albums that might never be surpassed. Some albums which change hip hop forever. However, disregarding this historical value of those albums, the tracks on those albums would rarely cut it in the modern context. You can't disagree with that.
I don't care about their historical context. Biggie Smalls will always be a better listen than Kanye West to me.
What you differ with me on, fundamentally, is what you think the purpose of my guide should be. You think it should have the five most important hip hop albums ever made on it, while I think it should have the five most entertaining or enriching albums for the moment on it. Fortunately this is my guide, with my clearly defined purpose of making new genres accessible and enjoyable for people, thus my albums can stay.
I think recommending good albums from all of Hip Hop is better than just recommending newer Hip Hop. Good music is good music to me, age doesn't matter.
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i wont lie and say i read the entire wall of text of OP's last post, but i did get through the first paragraph and i must say, its not liek the 90's were a million fucking years ago, it's still acessible and tons of kids i know when they get exposed to real hip hop from the 90's they get really into it.
anyway i dont even have a problem with your thread or anything but maybe you should have titled it guide to comteporary underground hip hop, because thats all it contains. When i read Guide to Hip Hop, i kind of expected it to include some of the best hiphop, not recent stuff that nobody ever heard of but you think is good
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On September 01 2008 07:34 Kula wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2008 07:02 Daigomi wrote:On September 01 2008 06:44 Kula wrote:
Most of Great Hip Hop was made in the 90s. When recommending Hip Hop and not "comtemporary" Hip Hop, the best albums of the 90's should be recommended.
Isn't this a guide for people who don't listen to hip hop? I doubt it makes a difference recommending them newer hip hop especially since the 90s is better.
This might as well be a Contemporary Hip Hop Guide. Show nested quote +Firstly, you don't really have any way to back up what you are saying. Using what objective measure was the great hip hop made in the 90s? The best rappers of the genre are from the 90s. Where else would the great hip hop be? Show nested quote +Secondly, when recommending hip hop, the best albums for the listener (that is, the people who read this guide) should be recommended, and in general that is contemporary hip hop. And how do you back this up? I guess we disagree here on what to recommend. Show nested quote +Recommending classic hip hop, while flattering to the purist, is not what the new and untrained listener is looking for. That's assuming music now is more accessible. And I don't neccesarily recommend the classics, just saying that the 90s are a good listen(or even better listen) as well and shouldn't be ignored. Show nested quote +The music that is recommended must be the most accessible, and since contemporary hip hop is aimed at now, and being accessible now, it is the most accessible form of hip hop for this current time. I disagree with recommended music having the be the most accessible. Good music should be recommended, dispite age. Show nested quote +You say that since they don't listen to hip hop in any case, they won't know the difference. Are you thus also saying that if I was to play someone who doesn't really like pop music but who is otherwise still a modern person in all ways, Patti Page's "How Much is that Doggy in the Window", the respective pop music from the 50s, rather than some popular song from the contemporary era, the average person wouldn't notice the difference, and would like both songs the same similarly? I'm not saying they won't know the difference, I'm saying it makes no difference what you recommend as long as it's good. Show nested quote +Popular genres of music are always aimed to be accessible to as many people as possible, whether they are fans of the genre or not. The reason why the radio station would play 50 cents' "in da club" and not some X-Clan or NWA track is because the contemporary, untrained audience finds contemporary hip hop music more accessible than classic hip hop. I always thought it's because they always play newer music instead of oldies. Show nested quote +I'm not saying 50 is any good, I'm saying the sound is designed for the audience of now, and if I can present the best of the contemporary sound, then that would be a much more useful guide to listeners of now, than some classic guide in which they don't truly connect with or enjoy the music. That's why this should be a guide to Contemporary Hip Hop. I also disagree with others not truly connecting with older music. If Tupac was alive, I'd still connect and enjoy his music the same as I enjoy his older music. Show nested quote +For the purist, there are some classic albums that might never be surpassed. Some albums which change hip hop forever. However, disregarding this historical value of those albums, the tracks on those albums would rarely cut it in the modern context. You can't disagree with that. I don't care about their historical context. Biggie Smalls will always be a better listen than Kanye West to me. Show nested quote +What you differ with me on, fundamentally, is what you think the purpose of my guide should be. You think it should have the five most important hip hop albums ever made on it, while I think it should have the five most entertaining or enriching albums for the moment on it. Fortunately this is my guide, with my clearly defined purpose of making new genres accessible and enjoyable for people, thus my albums can stay. I think recommending good albums from all of Hip Hop is better than just recommending newer Hip Hop. Good music is good music to me, age doesn't matter.
You don't provide any support for your first argument, but I'll provide support for the argument that the best rappers for hip hop are not from the 90s. Since there are more people involved in making hip hop these days, and since more people see it as a potential occupation, there's a greater talent pool in hip hop than there used to be, hence chances are that there are better rappers today than in the 90s, the only thing might be that they aren't the popular ones, which is why I didn't recommend any 50cents here.
My second statement I back up that the best albums for the listener should be recommended because that is the goal of my blog, but secondly I back up the fact that contemporary hip hop is the best for the listener based on its accessibility, which means it can be understood intuitively by the listener.
I'm not just assuming that modern hip hop is more accessible, I'm making a strong argument for it. You're not making any strong arguments why classic hip hop is more accessible than modern hip hop, and in all honesty, I don't think you really can, because hip hop then was created for the context then, and was at its peak accessibility then, not now. I agree that the 90s are a great listen, I love everything from the 90s, and I agree with you that they are classics, I just disagree with you that are as easy to listen to for amodern listener as contemporary (but good) hip hop is. I'm not comparing 2pac with 50 cents, I'm comparing 2pac to the best of contemporary times, and saying that even though they might be at the same level musically (debateable, but I think they are at least fairly similar), the contemporary hip hop is easier to listen ot than old hip hop for the contemporary listener, because it was created and aimed at the contemporary listener.
To your fourth point, my purpose is not to have a definitive guide to the genre, but to have a quick introduction that will allow people to listen to an artist and enjoy it, and from there on they can either ask for more recommendations, or go on their own journey of exploration. Yes, all good music should be recommended, but if I have only five spots to fill I'm not going to recommend something that is "good" but not as easy to listen to over something that is "good' and easy to listen to and understand. If I were to introduce you to art, and you were a completely untrained person whose tastes were unfettered by the ideas of post-modernism and you simply wanted to enjoy the art, would you recommend that I introduce you to something as directly beautiful and meant to entertain like Rococo art, or to something like contemporary art? The situation's are reversed here, because contemporary art is not directly accessible, while classic art is, but the point remains that in order for you to first generate an appreciation of something, after which the appreciation will allow your continued interest, that which is most accessible should be recommended first. The reason why the layman doesn't appreciate modern art is not because there's nothing to appreciate about it, but because it doesn't have the context to appreciate it in, a context which can be created by first understanding the more easily understood classic art.
"How Much is that Doggy In the Window" was a classic of its time, covered by innumerable artists. It was thus "good" in its time. So would you want me to play that for you in order to convert you to a pop music lover, since it is "good"? If you could only choose one pop song to play to someone thoroughly modern, would it be "How Much is that Doggy In the Window" because its a good song regardless of its time? Music is always contextual. Always. You cannot say that good music is good regardless of the context. The above example should prove to you that if you wanted to be introduced to a genre of music, you wouldn't want "good" music introduced to you regardless of whether you understand the context of the music. You'd want "good" music introduced to you with which you can understand the context the best (contemporary music), and you can then use that music as a launching pad to explore other musics and their contexts.
Sixth point, why do they play new music instead of oldies? Do you think it's simply because we have heard the oldies too much and are bored with it? I can promise you that most youth today have heard much more contemporary music than 50s music, so if it's just about the music being new to the listener, then they should play 50s music. No, the reason they play new music is because music is constantly evolving to keep up with evolving trends in a contemporary world, and because of that, music becomes outdated. That does not mean the music is any less good today than it was ten years ago, it just means the music isn't as easy to identify with.
The purpose of the guide is to introduce people to a genre of music, hip hop. The most effective avenue to this is to introduce them to contemporary hip hop. The guide is an introduction to all hip hop, done through contemporary hip hop. The purpose of this is to get them to begin their journey in the genre of hip hop, a journey which they can take to classic hip hop, to political hip hop, to wherever they wish to. The purpose of this guide is to introduce them to hip hop, and the most effective way to do this is to introduce them to hip hop they might actually like. Furthermore, you might still connect to tupac, but that's because you're firstly already in the hip hop scene, secondly because you've already connected to him, probably more in his era, and lastly and most importantly, because if tupac was still making music today it would be contemporary music, not classic music.
You say that BIG will always be better for you, but you once again disregard your own situatedness in history. You associate with BIG more than with Kanye, you connect more to their context, musically, than to the modern musical context. Do not make the mistake of thinking that you have somehow transcended your historical embeddedness to become an objective appreciater of hip hop. You listen to hip hop in a specific context, and it is because of this that you appreciate his tracks more than Kanye's. However, do a double blind experiment. Give the general population two albums, supposedly created at the same time by the same artist, one consisting of classic hip hop tracks, and one of contemporary hip hop tracks, both similarly good for their context (if that good somehow be objectively measured), and I can assure you that most people will say that the contemporary tracks are more enjoyable. Obviously I cannot prove this since I don't have such a test, and such a test would demand some people who have somehow lived under a hip hop rock for the last twenty years without losing any participation in other aspects of society, but there is no evidence that this will not happen as I have said, and I've given tons of arguments for why it would.
Like you say, recommending good albums from all eras might have been good, even just to offer a historical perspective. However, that was not the approach I went for. I wanted to hook people in by offering them a glimpse of how amazing hip hop can be musically, and then let them go on their own way from there. Your way would have consisted of teaching people about the history of hip hop so that they could appreciate the albums recommended, and then after that hoping they continue to enjoy the music. Maybe you have more faith than me that people will be willing to listen to something that would be close to completely foreign to them (contemporary hip hop is foreign enough as it is), and then put the effort into learning to enjoy the music. I ironically learn to appreciate music like this myself. I study the entire context that the music was created in in great detail, and then I try to start with the classics, and work my way up to modern music so that I can get a historical understanding of a genre. However, this is a lot of work, even for me who is someone committed to learning about music. I often don't find the music I start listening to enjoyable, and I often have to force myself to listen to music I don't like to for days before my ear grow accoustomed to it. I do this because I believe it's the way to get the most complete understanding of a genre, but you need a lot of motivation to do that. By getting people to enjoy some of the newer offerings of the genre, they might get the motivation to study the genre in more depth, thus allowing them to gain a fuller understanding. That's what I'm trying to do.
Just for interest's sake, try to ignore all your prejudices, all that you know about what music stands for, and what means what in music, and listen to these two tracks:
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Z7sKHKZIc
Consider that you are just a normal person, no specific preconceptions about what is good, and what is not good. You come to my blog to experience the new genre of metal, what would more likely make you listen to the genre, the first track or the second? In the metal world, the first track is arguably a "better" track than the second one, it's a classic track. Is it accessible at all? Not really. Could you see the second track being accessible if you had an interest in listening to metal? Yes, possibly. Thus the second track will more likely get you to listen to metal than the first track, and ultimately more likely to get you to become a metal purist than the first track, even though that might seem paradoxical.
Just to make this clear, I'm not going to have Cloud Connected on my Metal list of tracks, just because it is more accessible. All in all, I try to do both your method and mine. I want to present music that is accessible while at the same time trying to present music that has value to it and can be appreciated across multiple contexes. These albums I've presented here are albums which I believe to be both accessible right now, and have long-term value (hence the descriptions about what I like). In metal, as in all my other genres, I will attempt to do the same thing: present a selection of albums which can be enjoyed but which I also believe hold some value as musical pieces. Furthermore, metal, at least the metal my guide will be a guide to, is not a popular form of music, and is thus less influenced by contextual changes outside of the genre.
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On September 01 2008 01:35 BroOd wrote:I think my favorite hip-hop album is: Danger Mouse & Jemini - Ghetto Pop Life It's just so damn fun to listen to, with DM's amazing production. EDIT: The Mouse and the Mask with MF Doom is pretty amazing as well.
so true, quality album, how on earth did u read my mind hah was about to post that
the grey album is pretty cool by dangermouse
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Honestly, to all the people complaining about how this list isn't 90s and old school enough, at least be glad that he picked out good underground artists and not just mainstream. And the one mainstream artist he does pick is good, at least. He didn't plop down a Young Jeezy album or anything. I mean, c'mon. RJD2, Cunninlynguists, Brother Ali, to me they're practically old school anyway. There are so many different styles of hip-hop and time periods of hip-hop, that Daigomi could make tons of different guides for just hip-hop. However, he does well with just one and provides a nice balance between contemporary sounds and the tradition of old school hip-hop.
Now I show my friends a lot of the 90s hip hop I love. 2pac, Biggie, Dr. Dre, Wu-Tang, A Tribe Called Quest, Nas, etc. But they don't really connect with the music as much as they do with more recent hip hop because simply put, it's just too inaccessible to the modern ear. It's all just too raw and the lyrics are just too forceful for people to instantly delve into. But if Daigomi can get a few more people to listen to good hip-hop instead of getting turned away by the trash on the radio, then job well done! So cut him some slack, cause I think he did a good and proper intro to hip-hop.
Remember, it's a guide, not a montage or tribute.
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On September 01 2008 07:58 daz wrote:
i wont lie and say i read the entire wall of text of OP's last post, but i did get through the first paragraph and i must say, its not liek the 90's were a million fucking years ago, it's still acessible and tons of kids i know when they get exposed to real hip hop from the 90's they get really into it.
anyway i dont even have a problem with your thread or anything but maybe you should have titled it guide to comteporary underground hip hop, because thats all it contains. When i read Guide to Hip Hop, i kind of expected it to include some of the best hiphop, not recent stuff that nobody ever heard of but you think is good
I know that people can enjoy the music of the 90s, but they mostly enjoy it in a historical and contextual sense, rather than a purely musical sense. I'm not saying that the music doesn't influence their liking of it, I'm just saying that their historical understanding also influences their liking. And in terms of popular music, fifteen years is a massively long time. Led Zeppelin released Led Zeppelin II in 1970, by 1985 punk rock had basically come and gone, and rock music had practically been wiped off the map, only to be revived at the end of the eighties. Fifteen years is the difference between Nirvana and Indie Rock, between classical music and rock and roll, between Elvis and fucking Led Zeppelin. 15 Years ia shit long time in popular music
Disregarding that, read through the second, considerably bigger, wall of text if you want to know why I didn't title it Guide to Contemporary Hip Hop. I can understand your disappointment, you misunderstood the purpose of the blog. That is, however, not my mistake as I have often made it clear what the purpose of the blog is, including in blog posts before this one. I never said I would write a definitive guide to the genre, and never intended to do so. I only intended to help people get into the genre, and to show people that each genre has a value.
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Haha, I should probably point out that I don't have a problem with your comments either, they generated interesting discussion. I disagree with your comments, but I don't have a problem with them 
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