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On July 04 2008 06:01 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +
In all seriousness, porn / masturbation has absolutely 0 effect on relationships unless...
I think that's a bit naive. Imagine your girlfriend looks at naked guys who are not you and masturbates to them. Suddenly that's not really that cool. Unless, I don't know, you're into that kinda thing... While you may think "I don't care if my girlfriend looks at porn, in fact, I think that's pretty cool and liberating," once you rephrase it as "I don't care if my girlfriend looks at other naked guys and masturbates, in fact, I think that's pretty cool and liberating" you see it's almost a matter of semantics on whether or not you feel totally comfortable with it. It's kinda like guys who fantasize about a threesome... Well would it be so cool if the third person was another guy using your girl? lol
Amen to that
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On July 03 2008 20:47 Nytefish wrote:I'd be more afraid of the ceiling cats watching you, they really do exist.
Sorry, I had to.
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On July 04 2008 07:43 PsycHOTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +There's nothing wrong with it unless you're insecure or she does it more than she wants to do things with/to you, which works the same for both genders. Of course it can cause problems between couples, but like I said, it's only ever born out of insecurity, the same as jealousy, or addiction, in which case it's a problem with the person, not the porn. Whatever you say ;P That arguments about as logical as me saying if you're looking at porn you're not sexually fulfilled by your spouse fiancee (is this the kind I hear about from people in high school/barely out of high school, because those are god damn hilarious XD). It's hollow and has holes, because things are not so simple. Show nested quote +I think it would be more naive to say that you believe your girlfriend should only ever be sexually attracted to you. Sure, but it's not what I said.
What sort of holes does my argument have? I honestly can't see any reason for being bothered by your partner masturbating fantasizing about someone else/looking at pictures unless you do not feel secure in your relationship and/or about her level of attraction to you with others involved.
As for the second part, it's how I interpreted what you said. However, that you don't adhere to my interpretation makes me believe that you're okay with her being so, so long as it isn't expressed through physical means such as masturbating?
If so, that doesn't change the premise of my statement or argument.
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Watching porno in my teenages was very educational to me...
never really quited, some weeks i see a lot of porn, others i dont see any at all..
I watched porn with my last girlfriend, we enjoy movies toghether, some of them, other we dont, as couple.
I think you are really lost.
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is that site a joke????
cant believe it!!!
porn is a kind of posmodern art.
+ Show Spoiler + just third line is joke, i actually cant believe that site is for real
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I don't really have advice so much as a few questions:
If masturbation is OK - "a healthy part of our lives" - then what is not OK about porn? First of all, the bible seems to state that masturbation is a sin, and masturbation has been treated as sin by Christians for millennia. The Bible, for one thing, says that it is a sin to spill your seed upon the ground (implying that the purpose of sex is procreation, not stress relief, health, "mere" pleasure, etc). And it seems to be the case that lusting after women is a sin, since to have sex with a woman in your mind is considered the same as having sex with her in real life, and since you aren't married, sex would be sinful for you. So, I'm curious where your standard comes from - why is masturbation OK and porn not OK?
What changes between a representation of sex within your mind and a representation of sex on a screen that makes the latter sinful and the former healthy?
Last, perhaps it is true that porn can somehow interfere with your life, but even so, why is it necessary to completely quit viewing porn? In other words, why is it necessary to have an all or nothing approach to this? Is it really impossible to find a middle road?
Personally, at nearly age 25, I love masturbation, and masturbate daily. I masturbate with pornographic magazines, with pornographic videos, and with only my imagination. All are enjoyable for me, and I don't see what is particularly unhealthy about using porn for stimulation versus using a purely mental fantasy for stimulation.
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I should add to my last post that I've never been with a woman that minded me viewing porn. I'm presently seeing a girl who has watched all kinds of porn and we have discussed porn in some detail. It is amusing to both of us.
Many women view porn and enjoy it on some level. My personal feeling is that porn may have a negative effect on some relationships, but it may also have a positive effect on others. I believe that in general it won't really influence things in either direction. Why would it? If it does, I would think masturbation would too, yet to my knowledge, there is no evidence to suggest masturbation is anything but a healthy part of relationships. I tend to masturbate much more when I am in a sexual relationship with a woman. I also find masturbation with a partner to be very fun and worthwhile.
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United States10774 Posts
On July 03 2008 20:30 NotSupporting wrote:
There is NO god.
yes there is :O!
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United States24801 Posts
On July 05 2008 15:06 OneOther wrote:yes there is :O!
You convinced me!
I think discussion on 'is there a god' should be illegal... I've never once seen anything positive come out of it.
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Let's hijack this thread and turn it into, "Does God exist?"
That would be infinitely more satisfying to read.
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