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Ryot
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada316 Posts
June 16 2008 02:29 GMT
#1
I need some motivation to play this match-up, it just seems lame as hell. It seems like either I get BBS'd (insta-lose), or hides starports and masses wraiths early on. I don't mind getting raped in SC, but when it's by two or three wraiths and they deliver it slowly and painfully...well, it's not my cup of tea.

Also, siege tank stand-offs suck. It feels like even if I'm macro-ing better, if he has a better position and is in siege mode w/ turrets, I can't advance without at least twice the unit count (which leads to my occasional hero sacrificial SCV plays).

So basically I want you guys to tell me some good things about TvT. The only thing I really like is the strategic play between dropships and taking/holding bases. Goliaths vs. BCs are very fun as well for me (when I have the Goliaths, as it reminds me of all the n00bs I pwn going 2-base carriers in TvP lolololol).

Links to any good games would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

**
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
June 16 2008 02:31 GMT
#2
change race to Zerg, not a single boring match-up
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-16 02:38:20
June 16 2008 02:37 GMT
#3
Dropships of doom.

You can win the game instantly or lose in a matter of seconds with just the these doom drops. But the best TvT'ers do it with such precision they don't turtle up and gay out in a long game.

Also ghosts/BCs are only properly viable in TvT.

Oh and this:
:D
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 16 2008 02:41 GMT
#4
what

TvTs are fun

the problem is that most D level terrans let themselves get contained and either dont realize how important it is to break out, or dont know how to properly break out.

as for wraiths, scout. see if he took his nat, see if he has seige etc. That should give you a general idea

people LOVE to go wraiths after vult mine. because vults dont take gas, it lets them pump wraiths, whereas tanks and wraiths compete for the same gas.


even if you get surprised the hell out of with wraiths, you should have armory or bay building or built. tighten your build, and make sure your timing is lean.


SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 16 2008 02:42 GMT
#5
also once those BCs hit 3-3, they are unstoppable :D
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
June 16 2008 03:02 GMT
#6
wraith/tank contain is pretty strong
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Ryot
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada316 Posts
June 16 2008 03:02 GMT
#7
Got any tips for not getting contained? I usually do a FE build, opponent goes 2fact whatever (sometimes vultures) and eventually just sets up shop outside my natural base with tanks + a lot of turrets. So moving out is tough and I usually end up losing a lot of units to his contain while he takes the map. Quite troublesome.

Also, do BCs really own Goliaths hard late-game? I'm guessing it's because they can hide and use Yomato gun.

Late-game ghosts seem fun, there's a start.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11554 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-16 03:07:20
June 16 2008 03:05 GMT
#8
Well, BC can only be stopped by more BC, and better Yamato cloning.

TvT is one of the best matches to watch though.

And yamatoing golis would be pretty hard T.T
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Ryot
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada316 Posts
June 16 2008 03:10 GMT
#9
Could tank/vult/wraith be a good combo? I love vults but I don't see them much in TvT. Also it would seem easier to secure/harass ground bases with vultures.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 16 2008 03:14 GMT
#10
On June 16 2008 12:02 clazziquai wrote:
wraith/tank contain is pretty strong


pretty much any contain with tanks + anti air is strong :D

but using wraiths to finish off tanks in one volley is fun :D
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 16 2008 03:15 GMT
#11
On June 16 2008 12:10 Ryot wrote:
Could tank/vult/wraith be a good combo? I love vults but I don't see them much in TvT. Also it would seem easier to secure/harass ground bases with vultures.


oh god

you need to watch some russian tvt

vultures are awesome early game with ion+mines and a bit of micro. And they are really good at soaking up hits from siegetanks since they have the same priority
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
June 16 2008 03:19 GMT
#12
I'm not a T player but when I play the occasional TvT I have a good time. Maybe you could try some different BOs or strats to mix it up a little. I sometimes find myself on iccup being repetitive and it's boring and makes me play worse (nope i'm not korean at all.)
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
June 16 2008 03:31 GMT
#13
you could do all of that, or, once again I repeat, you could simply switch your race to Zerg
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
Ryot
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada316 Posts
June 16 2008 03:36 GMT
#14
On June 16 2008 12:31 Wizard wrote:
you could do all of that, or, once again I repeat, you could simply switch your race to Zerg


If sAviOr wins his next starleague then I'll switch to Z. Until then, back to trying to make TvT interesting.


Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
June 16 2008 03:37 GMT
#15
On June 16 2008 12:05 FragKrag wrote:
TvT is one of the best matches to watch though.


I will disagree with this
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 16 2008 03:44 GMT
#16
On June 16 2008 12:31 Wizard wrote:
you could do all of that, or, once again I repeat, you could simply switch your race to Zerg


someone who has enjoyed the magic of stim would never switch from terran

ps zerg are ugly
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
June 16 2008 03:57 GMT
#17
TvT... what a match up. So many say it is boring, where tanks are chilling, nothing happening, and you just macro.

They are right!

Just imagine this though, many points of this match up are boring; but the parts that are not, are so amazing. Drops on sieged tanks, then drops on dropped units. The dropship mobility of this match up always makes the players have to be on their toes every single minute. You drop their base and siege up? No problem, they pick up, and drop you back within seconds. You always only have <30 seconds to make your attack before your army is destroyed, and vice versa.

If two terrans camp, the game is boring. If one terran camps, you mass up dropships, and own his ass with you moving your army across the map in seconds, while it takes him minutes. You drop, watch him move back to his base, pick up, and drop his expansion. You can abuse the dropship mobility so much vs terrans who don't use them, or don't use them well, and you can just watch them suffer.

Besides, it is the only MU where you can use wraiths, and BCs as a regular strategy (if it gets to that point), rather than a cheese.
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
June 16 2008 04:13 GMT
#18
To brag you have a good TvZ and a good TvP. Sweet.

To brag you have a good TvT. Mad respect.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2919 Posts
June 16 2008 04:16 GMT
#19
get aggressive and look at it as a more strategical / timing match up. It is a real mind vs mind game in TvT and thats what I enjoy about playing / watching it.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 16 2008 04:21 GMT
#20
On June 16 2008 13:13 jkillashark wrote:
To brag you have a good TvZ and a good TvP. Sweet.

To brag you have a good TvT. Mad respect.



what if tvt is my best match up?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
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