I need some motivation to play this match-up, it just seems lame as hell. It seems like either I get BBS'd (insta-lose), or hides starports and masses wraiths early on. I don't mind getting raped in SC, but when it's by two or three wraiths and they deliver it slowly and painfully...well, it's not my cup of tea.
Also, siege tank stand-offs suck. It feels like even if I'm macro-ing better, if he has a better position and is in siege mode w/ turrets, I can't advance without at least twice the unit count (which leads to my occasional hero sacrificial SCV plays).
So basically I want you guys to tell me some good things about TvT. The only thing I really like is the strategic play between dropships and taking/holding bases. Goliaths vs. BCs are very fun as well for me (when I have the Goliaths, as it reminds me of all the n00bs I pwn going 2-base carriers in TvP lolololol).
Links to any good games would also be appreciated.
You can win the game instantly or lose in a matter of seconds with just the these doom drops. But the best TvT'ers do it with such precision they don't turtle up and gay out in a long game.
the problem is that most D level terrans let themselves get contained and either dont realize how important it is to break out, or dont know how to properly break out.
as for wraiths, scout. see if he took his nat, see if he has seige etc. That should give you a general idea
people LOVE to go wraiths after vult mine. because vults dont take gas, it lets them pump wraiths, whereas tanks and wraiths compete for the same gas.
even if you get surprised the hell out of with wraiths, you should have armory or bay building or built. tighten your build, and make sure your timing is lean.
Got any tips for not getting contained? I usually do a FE build, opponent goes 2fact whatever (sometimes vultures) and eventually just sets up shop outside my natural base with tanks + a lot of turrets. So moving out is tough and I usually end up losing a lot of units to his contain while he takes the map. Quite troublesome.
Also, do BCs really own Goliaths hard late-game? I'm guessing it's because they can hide and use Yomato gun.
Could tank/vult/wraith be a good combo? I love vults but I don't see them much in TvT. Also it would seem easier to secure/harass ground bases with vultures.
On June 16 2008 12:10 Ryot wrote: Could tank/vult/wraith be a good combo? I love vults but I don't see them much in TvT. Also it would seem easier to secure/harass ground bases with vultures.
oh god
you need to watch some russian tvt
vultures are awesome early game with ion+mines and a bit of micro. And they are really good at soaking up hits from siegetanks since they have the same priority
I'm not a T player but when I play the occasional TvT I have a good time. Maybe you could try some different BOs or strats to mix it up a little. I sometimes find myself on iccup being repetitive and it's boring and makes me play worse (nope i'm not korean at all.)
TvT... what a match up. So many say it is boring, where tanks are chilling, nothing happening, and you just macro.
They are right!
Just imagine this though, many points of this match up are boring; but the parts that are not, are so amazing. Drops on sieged tanks, then drops on dropped units. The dropship mobility of this match up always makes the players have to be on their toes every single minute. You drop their base and siege up? No problem, they pick up, and drop you back within seconds. You always only have <30 seconds to make your attack before your army is destroyed, and vice versa.
If two terrans camp, the game is boring. If one terran camps, you mass up dropships, and own his ass with you moving your army across the map in seconds, while it takes him minutes. You drop, watch him move back to his base, pick up, and drop his expansion. You can abuse the dropship mobility so much vs terrans who don't use them, or don't use them well, and you can just watch them suffer.
Besides, it is the only MU where you can use wraiths, and BCs as a regular strategy (if it gets to that point), rather than a cheese.
get aggressive and look at it as a more strategical / timing match up. It is a real mind vs mind game in TvT and thats what I enjoy about playing / watching it.
TvT is boring for most people because its always breaking a contain or containing. and dropship wars can get boring. mass wraith or bc, and ghost lockdown, are what make the matchup interesting every once in a while. and early game large vulture battles can be cool (nada vs xellos wuthering heights @ PL)
and yeah... i have the same problem as you. I used to be good at the matchup, now i stopped playing it so im not that good at it anymore, nor do i enjoy it.
TvT is hard when you are new and don't understand it. What I like is that there are so many builds in TvT so you can really try alot of things and see what you are best at. Atm I am doing the build that Flash has done lately where he goes for the FE and then makes 2 star and tanks, it's very aggressive and with some good wraith micro an deadly build.
On June 16 2008 12:10 Ryot wrote: Could tank/vult/wraith be a good combo? I love vults but I don't see them much in TvT. Also it would seem easier to secure/harass ground bases with vultures.
if ur harcore just wraith/vult then techswitch to tanks to fuck his heavy gol army. cloack wraith = instap pwn doom drops
TvT is a great matchup, very strategic. And like fusionsdf said most lower level terrans see TvT as too stale and dont know how to break out of a contain etc
get comfortable with using dropships because they are crucial against more skilled players in tvt and will give you mobility and the possibility to move around the map
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