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asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1605 Posts
March 17 2008 20:16 GMT
#21
ok i start my first trainphase now, expect me back with mass whine and questions
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
March 17 2008 20:54 GMT
#22
On March 18 2008 02:51 asel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 02:32 Aesop wrote:
If your micro is godly and you want a safe strat, go for mass rifle / caster. You dance your rifles and just push the hell out of them. Also makes the games end rather fast. Complement these units with MK / Naga.

isn't this easily countered by aoe spells?
Thx for all the help, plz more
I ll ask questions later, im first going to play a bit and try to use the bo's i saw from the th000/sky/ToD reps i dl'ed


Priests / Healing scrolls can be extremly strong keeping your army alive. Generally it is countered once you meet heavy melee like Bears or Abominations. But assuming your micro is better, you might be able to push through at an earlier point. For using rifles in nearly every matchup, refer to replays from Kemper (?), he does just that. Would also keep variety to a minimum for you.
ModeratorNon veritas sed auctoritas facit legem. | Liquipedia: Don't ask me, I'm retired.
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1605 Posts
March 17 2008 21:46 GMT
#23
damn, wc3 games are taking longT___T played 1:20 hour for 2 games ;;
I just encountered a ud player who used a combination of abominations, fiends and statues that was pretty annoying since i thought he would go for Destroyer. Tried to counter it with Knights and Griffins but it was pretty annoying to play him and i think if he would have been a bit better he wouldve easily raped me since my counter didnt really worked out - im playing pretty low ranks ( he was 12, other oppnent 16 hu vs hu) so far, any better combination to take this out?

Also im not quite sure what to play against Orc, i dont really think i can play a fe against them since their units are just better them mine, is teching to tier 2 and going caster + rifler viable in this mu?
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
March 17 2008 23:09 GMT
#24
yeah its always annoying to play vs ud, because theyll creep, stay inside base, tech, etc. since youre hu, go mass tower + expo.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
March 17 2008 23:41 GMT
#25
On March 18 2008 05:00 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 04:39 asel wrote:
What caster would you recommend?


Klazart.


You're a funny man
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1605 Posts
March 18 2008 00:00 GMT
#26
i got totally raped in hu vs hu mirror by 2 mass footys T_T
kinda desperate now, but i think he was jsut the better player im 2-2 right now :3
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teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
March 18 2008 00:14 GMT
#27
Why aren't you practicing with people you know? That's the fastest way to learn, cuz they can give you tips in game and so on and not drag the match longer than 20 min.. I'm sure there's TL people who would offer their help.
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1605 Posts
March 18 2008 00:22 GMT
#28
Well im always open for a game, just msg me ash.WC3Terran @ europe
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
Zherak
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Norway256 Posts
March 18 2008 00:22 GMT
#29
There are really only two possibilites:

a) They are good wc3 players. Practicing this late won't save your butt.

b) They are bad wc3 players. Find yourself a decent, all-rounded build and beat them with superior execution (micro and macro).

For case (b), nearly anything works. For instance:
T1: AM for WE and BA + Rifles
T2: Add BM for Bear and Boar + Breakers
T3: Add FL for Lava Spawns + Knights

(Good because you don't have to think or micro, just keep spamming all summons and seek conflict. Bad because it isn't a spectacular build and is particularly vulnerable to dispel.)

Or:
T1: AM for WE and BA + Rifles
T2: Add MK for Bolt and Clap + Priest and Sorc
T3: Add Pala for HL + DA + Knight

(Good because it is a great build. Bad beacuse it takes a lot of micro.)

Even these builds may be overly fancy. Depending on your and their skill level, pure AM+Rifle+Towerrush might be more than good enough.
The bowsprit got mixed with the rudder sometimes...
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
March 18 2008 06:50 GMT
#30
I will be online later today, maybe we can work out some games / coaching, although I am playing on a Laptop.
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JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
March 18 2008 13:50 GMT
#31
I forgot to say GL in your tournament. I wish we had local events in Miami, Fl. But, all the lans dead. =/
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1605 Posts
March 18 2008 14:58 GMT
#32
My experiences so far(talking about low skill level):
its quite good to pressure a Nightelf in the beginning with footys and and tower rush him tier 2, had no problems so far
i just can't win against orc players, raiders and blademasters are just way to hard for me to handle, i figured out that i need this powder from the goblin shop to have anyhow a chance to defend his harass... isn't orc going Far Seer anymore ?
How do i counter an undead who plays with mass ghouls or mass fiends in the beginning, i used footys agains the fiends - but as soon as he had statues and a lvl 3 Dreadlord i had like no chance :X
any suggestions? couldnt find hu vs ud replays where ud is doing something else then fast destroyer -_-
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-18 19:28:03
March 18 2008 18:39 GMT
#33
In case you want to go with the universal build I suggested, I am playing a few games right now to test the viability. Generally, if you are playing against opponents at lower skill level it should be alright. Might upload some replays later, but don't expect miracles

edit: btw, was just online, but you werent, too bad.
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asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1605 Posts
March 18 2008 19:38 GMT
#34
yeah i made a pause, i appreciate your effort to help me
start gaming now
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1605 Posts
March 20 2008 13:30 GMT
#35
ok teamliquid - i failed
it was bo3 with lb and i was seeded (lololol) and in the first round i got an ud. 0-2 loss - he wasn't really good, but he was better then me + i can't handle ud.
Then i played relativly safe to the semi finals winning 5 matches without losing a single game and went against the ud guy again who kicked me out (yes creepjack on turtle rock does hurt) . The final was won by some human player - i would say like lvl 30 ladder - and the ud complained about human imbaness. :D
Lessons learned:
    Starcraft > WC3
    playing drunk improves micro in some odd way
    never go to a lan again without starcraft tourney... how unprofessionel

Cheers and thx again for all the help
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
March 22 2008 18:43 GMT
#36
Listen to Joseki he talks decently on WCR. So is Orange there I think.

To play human you should know a couple of things. Usually against every race except Undead the starting hero is the Archmage for power creeping in the start. Here are a couple of things that might help.

a) Against Orc
It's important to get level 3 on the AM as fast as possible and get boots of speed to prevent the blademaster harass (which most people do nowadays). If he goes FS then just make sure you get all his wolves, they give a lot of exp. The beastmaster is great because of mass summons, magic is something that orc is vulnerable too. Get Sky vs Grubby or basically Sky vs any orc for his tower push which is deadly if done right . Its about mass sorc/priest and if the game goes on for a longer time then switch to air t3 three heros etc.


b) Against Undead
They will the nuke the fuck out of you, so its best to get paladin on every map except TR where you can go MK first. But take in mind this is a micro intensive quick decision strat. I find the AM pretty much useless in this matchup because beyond level 3 he can't do much unless you push hard and keep their levels low. A popular strat is fast expo and then rush to tier 3 and get knights/gyrocopters and steam tanks. Or you can just expo and mass steam tanks and hit his base. Either way play gay. And ya don't forget mass towers if you expand, and I mean like 20 or so it's just fucking impossible to beat that at lower mid levels

c) Against elf
Type in GG, you lost it. You can either try for the rifle caster naga tier 2 power push or you can just play it safe expo get mass breakers and knights etc against his army. You have to counter whateverhe gets , if he goes mass dryad bear (which most do ) then you should get mortar, breaker , knight , priest and tri hero. It's hard ... really hard but you can do it. On Turtle rock if its close spawn just tower the motherfucker and you win. Watch replays.

d) Against Human mirror
Gayest matchup. Rush to Tier 3, tri hero knight priest sorc upgraded fully and expo and contain. Many people go panda second and then rush base and hit and win. You can counter with mass breakers too either way just counter hard and keep scouting. Expos always help. This really is hard to say because you should just counterand that relies on scouting.

Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
March 22 2008 18:49 GMT
#37
On March 20 2008 22:30 asel wrote:
ok teamliquid - i failed
it was bo3 with lb and i was seeded (lololol) and in the first round i got an ud. 0-2 loss - he wasn't really good, but he was better then me + i can't handle ud.
Then i played relativly safe to the semi finals winning 5 matches without losing a single game and went against the ud guy again who kicked me out (yes creepjack on turtle rock does hurt) . The final was won by some human player - i would say like lvl 30 ladder - and the ud complained about human imbaness. :D
Lessons learned:
    Starcraft > WC3
    playing drunk improves micro in some odd way
    never go to a lan again without starcraft tourney... how unprofessionel

Cheers and thx again for all the help


Gay never mind didn't read this and started posting. Must remember to check before :/
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