EPTOn being a girl in the Starcraft gaming community. - Page 7
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On March 11 2008 11:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: if that were true then you wouldn't feel the need for threads like this i don't draw attention to myself because of my gender and neither should you http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/742/painting8ov.jpg - posted by you in the general forums, obvious pun intended | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On March 11 2008 09:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i don't even understand what you're saying you are the craziest old man i have ever encountered and i really wish you would stop trying to teach me life lessons every time i swear in a post on these forums http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/FakeSteveTPR/anytime.JPG http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/FakeSteveTPR/banned.JPG http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=4&topic_id=55693 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=22863 - its just "swearing" no? harmless fun people having in the general forums, no? I am not giving you life lessons, I am laughing at the irony of your reply. Are you sure you don't understand? You judge another because they discuss their gender, and yet without hesitation, you label me as "old" and "man." I am of course "crazy" too, no? Forgive me if I find it humorous that you should now find it objectionable some one talks about their gender. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
InTrO)Prinstine InTrO)Mari GoLdDragOn[cTw] are just a few examples. I cannot deny I treat them in another way, but thats just how it is in real life. I will never talk to a girl, not even to my best friend like I talk with my closest male friends. Thats just how it is. When a player tells me "I'm female" I'll just go with it. I don't need a proof. I trust people and if they say "haha I'm male and you idiot fall for it" then I just laugh.. whats the deal. Girls are not bad in playing because they are girls, they usually have better things to do then to train... still its nice to see a girls opinion on this topic. Just let the idiots talk. gl hf + Show Spoiler + 1) You are not female, call me.. 2) Pix or it never happened :/ I'm just kidding :D | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
On March 11 2008 08:59 {88}iNcontroL wrote: The ones who dont give a shit really do and are trying to be like RPF and win affection by being "nice-guys." ahhaaha | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
On March 11 2008 09:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i don't even understand what you're saying you are the craziest old man i have ever encountered and i really wish you would stop trying to teach me life lessons every time i swear in a post on these forums ahjahahah, holy shit this thread is funny On March 11 2008 19:24 Physician wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=22863 you should write these artilces again FS. I'd start watching pro leagues =] | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On March 11 2008 10:32 EvilTeletubby wrote: Agreed 100%. This thread is nothing more than an excuse to talk about yourself, and if it were anything but a blog, would've been closed a while ago. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a schoolbus. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25993 Posts
There are many pros and cons to being a white gamer on bnet. I think it is safe to say that a white gamer will generally get treated a lot differently than asian gamers, in several different ways. I must admit that I have tried in the past to keep my race unkown to avoid having to deal with some of those issues, but I found it deceptive and difficult to have a close relationship with people on my friend list, having to avoid discussing various aspects about myself and my life. There was definately a noticeable difference in how I was treated, though, when I was assumed to be an asian. I must admit that more than not, I do enjoy being a white gamer, even welcoming some of the negative attention I get a lot. I have learned to ignore the things that bother me, and laugh at most of the various things people say. The most common response I get is disbelief. There are a lot of people who think that whites who play Starcraft simply do not exist. I think that people are more likely to accept whites playing MMO's or even FPS games, but to think that a white would have any enjoyment playing an RTS game just seems to be beyond a lot of people. Congratulations, I have now just become an object of hate, disgust, and a target for ridicule and various name calling from people I have only just met upon stating my race. The insults ensue: cracker, dog, hamburger, etc. The fact that almost everyone on bnet has known at least one asian who has posed as a white either personally or through popular news floating around on websites such as TL does not help the situation. I can especially remember, right before I went on my internet hiatus, the 'Hot_Bid scandal'. The disbelief of my fellow gamers became even more frequent and harsh during that time, and I was often called a 'Hot_Bid wannabe', one of the few insults that really bothered me. Afterwards, people want to see "proof". It does no benefit to either parties, this "trying to prove yourself", but it can be very bothersome when people continue to give you trouble and make you out to be dishonest. I oftentimes find myself wanting to just prove it and get it over with so we can move on to something else. Half the time the accuser rejects any kind of proof you attempt to provide. A picture can be taken from anywhere off the internet. I have even found myself responding to the "if you are really white, then call me and let me hear your voice." This happened on two occasions. The first person responded with "Oh sh*t, you really are white!" and the second with "Dude, I still don't believe you, that was your little friend." There really is no winning in the latter situation and I have learned that it is a futile waste of my time to try to prove myself. Yet I still find myself trying to do so, wishing people would believe me and accept me for who I am. I have often found myself wanting to respond with "prove to me you are asian". It makes me think of how unnecessary it is. Another type of person is the kind who believes you are white, or pretends to just for humors sake. They oftentimes ramble with endless insults such as "cracker, honky, whitey" and remarks such as "f*ck you," "eat another hamburger," "die in twin towers," "watch another episode of Lost," or "hey whitey, wanna cyber?" Before there was any mention of my race, I would be treated like everyone else, but I immediately become a target of unmerited hatred. My response to those two types of people? I never retaliate. I "" and "lol". I will often start talking about the game (if we are obbing) or ask them questions about themselves, or ignore them and make unrelated comments as if they never said anything. I think that for me this is the easiest way to deal with it. I believe being bm back will just egg them on. I do not like having enemies. I refuse to be bm to anyone for any reason. The result is usually the same. If I continue to have contact with the person, they have usually added me to their friend list within a few days or hours. I like it this way. But sometimes I wonder if this is weird. Why would I want to have any kind of relationship with anyone who was so degrading to me at one point? I sometimes wonder if it is best to defend myself, rather than trying to charm my way into being treated like a human being. I become aware of these questions mostly when my friend or younger brother witness the name calling. I will become aware of what is actually being said and how terrible it is. I realize that I am letting it happen and merely just smiling back at their remarks and even trying to be their friends. I don't usually realize that they are doing anything wrong because it is so common that I have just accepted it as normal. My friend gets VERY angry when he sees how people treat me on bnet and also gets angry at me for not doing anything about it. He will ask me questions like, "Why are you still in this game?", "Why are you hanging around with these people?" I oftentimes feel like I really don't have a choice. I might as well not play the game, or ever go on bnet, because it happens everywhere I go. The thing that bothers me the most, is when people say I only got something I wanted because I'm white. Comments like "You only got into that team because you're white" really make me angry. Of course I will adamently deny any such thing, but in my mind I begin to think, "What if he's right? What if they only let me in because I'm white?" I cannot stand the thought of that. That and people going easy or letting me win because I am white. It it the most insulting thing you could do or say to me. It isn't all bad though, and for me the good points outweigh the bad, because I try not to let things bother me. If people aren't cussing me out for no reason, they are usually very friendly with me. I hate to admit that I enjoy the positive attention I oftentimes get. I stand out because I am different from everyone else. People notice me and remember me and want to get to know me. People seem more likely to want to give me tips when I ask or even train me, and I definately need all the help I can get. When I am in a team I am usually loved and am treated slightly special. People want to stick up for me. Of course, that is because I am usually the only white among all those asians. I also like to think that a lot of it is due to my personality, but it would be too much to hope that they only treated me that way because of my pleasant personality. Probably the best thing about being white on bnet for me is the very fact that people do not expect me to know how to play the game. They do not usually expect me to be especially good, so when I lose I can at least have the consolation that I didn't go below anyones expectations of me. But even better is when I do win, and people realize that they have just been beaten at their own game by a white. It is very devastating to many people and I relish in the "I can't believe I just lost to a white." On the opposite end, I sometimes feel pressure to prove myself as being just as capable to play regardless of my race, and to "represent" white gamers. It can also be slightly annoying when the "omg I lost to a white" comments go on and on. Just last night, I went on vent for the first time with a team I am planning on joining. I was playing on of their members, and everyone was obbing, and there was lots of, "Dude, if you lose to a white I am going to laugh so hard." What's the big deal? I admit that I am guilty to some of the things I have mentioned above when I meet someone on bnet who claims to be white. I can also be very skeptical, though I would never voice that opinion because I would be doing the exact same thing that people do to me. I also feel that if they really are white, they must not be very good, and that I should be able to beat them. When I lose to a white, I am very surprised and angry. I feel like I should not lose to whites, even though I am one. Perhaps that is a reason why I am so forgiving with people, because I can't help but be affected by those same stigmas and can relate to some of the feelings they have. I also tend to want to protect and help along other whites as long as they seem good mannered. I am sorry for being so long winded, but thanks for bearing with me till the end. I hope you found it somewhat interesting. Feel free to ask me any questions or discuss the topic. Are there any other whites out there who feel differently than I do? Or the same? And of course to guys who have had experience posing as a white. I know there are a lot of you. ;] Ever lost to a white? Ever met a white player on bnet? Discuss discuss anything related! | ||
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25993 Posts
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
On March 12 2008 01:08 Chill wrote: Surprisingly no! I actually have a lot to do today at work, and some TL stuff... A white boy, on TL? You're lying...PICS!! | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
1) They are men. 2) They actually are girls, but are beastly, greasy, and just down right ugly. Would probably resemble a man more than anything, if the truth were to be told. Well, I guess what I'm trying to say is....Bitch, go back to the kitchen and MAKE ME SOME FOOD. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On March 11 2008 22:38 Hawk wrote: ahjahahah, holy shit this thread is funny I can't deny he is right on three counts though, had to laugh too. | ||
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
I've always thought the same thing, but I wonder why in places like South Korea we aren't seeing an evening of the playing field, in terms of gender, as it becomes more socially acceptable... BTW nice touch at the end haha. In any competitive endeavour its generally men at the upper elechons... because the competitive drive is more with them. Male behavior tends more to extremes. SEXUAL DIMORPHISM IN THE HUMAN SPECIESSSSSS | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
To me it feels more natural to play a woman than a white guy. Discuss... | ||
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Chill
Calgary25993 Posts
On March 12 2008 05:03 Jayson X wrote: I never ever in my life played a male in a mmorpg. To me it feels more natural to play a woman than a white guy. Discuss... You love cock. | ||
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