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Deleted User 173346
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_fool
Netherlands682 Posts
 I expect your "far-left" opinions (according to Texas standards) to be considered more "center-left" in Belgium. So your voice is more likely to be heard. I hope things work out for you! | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4424 Posts
Good luck in Belgium and I’m guessing many liberals will be following your lead in leaving the country. | ||
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Archeon
3267 Posts
That being said the USA is a system that has a lot of hurdles for long term change, from the two party system that facilitates parties just blaming each other and revoking each others' policies every 4-8 years over the supreme courts being as political as they are to the election system that mostly rewards the person who gets the most corporate gifts. I don't think there's any betrayal in giving up changing a system that has been stuck basically for 50-60 years now and you are likely to find some of the changes you wished for in western Europe. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1078 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17656 Posts
On July 02 2022 09:21 Archeon wrote: I think one of the important things to consider about Malcom X is that he eventually failed to create the change he wished to see, while the peaceful protest eventually succeeded in making a change. overlayed on that is the fact that the % of black + white people in NA is falling. As a result, the black//white dynamic is becoming less and less relevant. I graduated in a class of 190... 100 computer science people and 90 software engineer people. Only a handful were black or white. We ignored the history of black//white squabbles. We were focused on $ecuring the bag. Sounds cold, but we just didn't care. That attitude could not exist before 2000. | ||
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Vivax
22405 Posts
On July 03 2022 01:26 r00ty wrote: I applaud your drive to fight the good fight, but please take some time for yourself to settle in and take it easy at first. Best of luck to you and welcome to Europe. Good advice. Some have to get used to the peace first. Carrying over a fight from the US to Europe might not be necessary. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On July 02 2022 09:21 Archeon wrote: I think one of the important things to consider about Malcom X is that he eventually failed to create the change he wished to see, while the peaceful protest eventually succeeded in making a change. That being said the USA is a system that has a lot of hurdles for long term change, from the two party system that facilitates parties just blaming each other and revoking each others' policies every 4-8 years over the supreme courts being as political as they are to the election system that mostly rewards the person who gets the most corporate gifts. I don't think there's any betrayal in giving up changing a system that has been stuck basically for 50-60 years now and you are likely to find some of the changes you wished for in western Europe. Malcolm X was assassinated and the US has a long history of change being driven by violence. Peaceful protest is a phase but rioting and violence are what really forces change. Labor laws, independence from the British, slavery, and yes even Civil Rights were all heavily helped by rioting and violence from the oppressed. Don't let the US' sanitization of MLK whitewash history in such a way thats convenient for those in power. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4408 Posts
I do not think that you are a coward for not fighting what you consider to be an unwinnable fight. One should pick their battles. Please don't feel too guilty. There is victory for you in survival and achieving happiness. | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2594 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On July 01 2022 18:49 _fool wrote: Well, welcome to Europe, neighbour I expect your "far-left" opinions (according to Texas standards) to be considered more "center-left" in Belgium. So your voice is more likely to be heard. I hope things work out for you! PvdA-PTB is considered extreme left in Belgium, and I think he'll be surprised by how far they want to push things. Going to Belgium you'll experience some of the upsides and some of the downsides of our more left-leaning policies over the past years, and you might readjust where you place yourself on the spectrum, as our "center" is definitely skewed a lot compared to the US. You'll find right-wing parties here that still want free unified health care and free university education, for example. | ||
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Deleted User 173346
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27046 Posts
If there’s one tendency that annoys me the most it’s the snipping of the snapshot in time that is legally codifying changes and framing it as a triumphant example of peaceful, non-disruptive protest and legalistic mechanisms. Everything prior to that, be it disruptive mass protest or even violence is disregarded as being a factor that lead to a reluctant legal change. As a denizen of Northern Ireland I recognise all too well this tendency, that the Good Friday Agreement was granted by the largesse of the British government based on people asking nicely, rather than a settlement predicated on historic discrimination and reaction of various kinds to that, that ultimately shifted the needle. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17656 Posts
On July 04 2022 07:10 AmericanUmlaut wrote: If I'm a coward then I'll accept the label, but for two years I've felt nothing but relief that I got my family out of that shithole country while that was still possible. I shudder to think of what is going to replace the current world order when America's inability to sanely govern itself bears its inevitable fruit, but at least my children won't be at the epicenter of that colossal failure. Canada's hardest working, most talented, and most ambitious university grads are heading to the USA in droves. That must make Canada worse than a shithole country. https://brainstation.io/magazine/study-from-waterloo-grads-details-canadian-brain-drain This has become a PR battle because Waterloo is really just a prep ground for Canadians to live and work in the USA. So now Waterloo is attempting to frame things differently. Bottom line is, the best and most interesting work is in the USA. And it pays way way better. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/PzMltyo.jpg) And its not just Canada's most talented leaving. Rank and file nurses are leaving. Orthopaedic surgeons are leaving... I can go on and on. https://bloomberg.nursing.utoronto.ca/news/canadas-nurses-continue-to-migrate-to-us-for-full-time-work/ The constant threat that a Canadian nurse can leave for the USA is what keeps the nurses' union so strong. Nurses ain't auto workers or retail clerks. They can GTFO at any time. Show these women the money and give them proper working conditions... or they leave for a better situation. When I lived in Canada and had Canadian mediocre health insurance I paid cash in Buffalo, New York for an MRI that would've taken six months in Canada. Aetna > OHIP. In conclusion, I do not think Canada is a "shithole country" nor do I think USA is a "shithole country". If calling the USA a shithole country was a troll.. hey man.. you got me. | ||
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Byo
Canada211 Posts
But when they are in a different stage in their lives, say when they are a parent, you might see them make a different choice. And sad reality is the more talented you are, the less worried you are of being taken advantaged of and the more likely you would be able to take advantage of others. And business just isn't about win wins at the end of the day, as we can see from target market pricing, that is unless it could be argued that the higher the price the more value you get from it with all things being equal. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27046 Posts
On July 07 2022 23:48 Byo wrote: It's not necessary rocket science that the most hard working, talented, ambitious people in Canada who also happen to be of age best suited to develop their careers due to many factors would choose to do it in a market that is around 10* the size of the one they are in and is most familiar to the one they developed in thus far in their lives. But when they are in a different stage in their lives, say when they are a parent, you might see them make a different choice. And sad reality is the more talented you are, the less worried you are of being taken advantaged of and the more likely you would be able to take advantage of others. And business just isn't about win wins at the end of the day, as we can see from target market pricing, that is unless it could be argued that the higher the price the more value you get from it with all things being equal. Indeed. I’m not sure people are advancing the argument that the US is an awful place to live if you’re earning bank. I’m kinda stuck where I am given being a parent at 23. Luckily I can have a decent standard of life doing even unskilled jobs, and I’ll have a better one once I’ve finished my current degree. If my health issues flared up again to the degree they did in my mid 20s and I had another year in hospital right before finishing my degree, I mean yes that would fucking suck. I could still enjoy a (relatively) decent life over here even doing bottom rung jobs, something that isn’t particularly plausible in other locations and countries. | ||
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teik
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Cyro
United Kingdom20336 Posts
The rise of facism in the USA and the apathetic lack of response or support for the victims from the overwhelming majority of citizens has been a trainwreck of legendary proportions to say the least and it will likely get a lot worse before it gets better, if it ever does. Even when it comes to something like roe vs wade which directly affects half of the population there's disquiet, but so few are willing to do what must be done - so what chance does 10%, 1% of the population have when they're painted as a bogeyman? I've been doing all that i can to make a social difference but in the last years that focus has changed to supporting victims in safely moving away because of every other intevention being increasingly ineffectual. First to dem states, but then out of the USA altogether when things continued to escalate out of control. The road to fasicm is paved with those who claimed that the victims were just being overly dramatic and that has been demonstrated even in this thread. If you are one of those people, you're a big part of the problem. Just say NO to fascism and to those who support it with votes or money in any way. https://imgur.com/gallery/HX97Yc4 | ||
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