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Profile Blog Joined September 2004
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Last Edited: 2010-12-03 07:44:24
August 25 2007 11:56 GMT
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hi TL~!

I began my first Liquibet two or three seasons ago & almost won first place if not for a critical vote I got wrong at the end :\ I just wanted to share a few tips on the patterns I've gathered over the past year or so ^^ the irony is that I'll probably start losing my rank after writing this ^^;

There is a huge emphasis on predicting upsets in the Liquibet. CruiseR won last season's Liquibet with 64.35% accuracy. Sixty-four percent. For every two matches he predicted correctly, he missed one. And he won. In general terms, those are pretty shitty odds.



General Ideas
  • Risky Behavior -- You can't be afraid to take the risk for an upset. It's always possible for a potential landslide rape to become an upset. Remember, sixty-fucking-four percent for first place last season. Plus, it's such a good feeling hitting upsets that everyone misses, but that shouldn't undermine a player's dominance in a particular Starleague.
  • Ranking -- Being 1st is relative to the decisions of everyone else. If everyone had a one percent chance of correcting guessing the winner and you, five, you'd still be first place by the end of the season despite your shitty guess rate. By blindly following what everyone else is choosing, you're not going to end up at any significant ranking, just like everyone else. Recognize that most people don't take risks and end up nowhere, and recognize when an upset can definitely happen and few people will go for it. Conversely, don't go for the underdog for a majority of the games.
  • Popular Belief -- Just don't listen. When the average TLer starts hitting at least 75% in accuracy, start listening -_-;
  • Bias -- Even though it's obvious, think with your head, not your heart. That means removing all bias you've accumulated over the past years, i.e. players lose their edge. People always "vote with their hearts" (which is essentially just wistful thinking) and then complain about their ranking or the players later on. Don't do that shit.
  • Chance -- Most of the TL population playing the liquibet would fare better by flipping a coin, which is kinda sad -_- For fun, make a secondary TL account and vote for the opposite player from your main account. There's a pretty good chance it'll do better than your main account.
  • Research -- Even though it seems that luck dictates much of Liquibet, there's a reason why the top rankers consistently rank high season after season. You have to hit those upsets. Hopefully, every choice you make will be more thoroughly thought out than hastily chosen.


The Process
  1. Which of the Players is more dominating/streaking currently?
  2. Is any Player overrated? underrated? in the specific match-up?
  3. Read the user comments.
  4. Look for high rankers' explanations for their decisions.
  5. Who does the general TL population think will win? (Why are they wrong?)
  6. Weigh the Players' styles & experience.
  7. Ponder all these ideas until you have a decision.
  8. Has the Player been practicing this MU or ignoring it for another MU?


Additional Info
  • Mirror Match-ups -- There are tons of upsets in MM's. Go for the underdog unless the favorite is just too dominating, and even then be wary.
  • Unknown vs. Unknown -- These are retarded so I pick the lesser known (because most people pick the one they recognize), or I choose T>Z, Z>P, P>T (or whatever the current match-up stats dictate).


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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
August 25 2007 12:21 GMT
#2
Any team (or player predicting for that matter) that can win 64% of the time is considered great and one of the best.

Boxer's career is 54%, Savior 63%. So I guess in their respective 'primes' they were shitty odds on winning OSL/MSL.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 25 2007 12:47 GMT
#3
Looking at career percentages for determining the odds of a single match is a newbie mistake
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
August 25 2007 13:21 GMT
#4
oov>much, oov>lomo, july>stork aren't bad bets lol
there are so much more examples of terrible betting patterns. just take a look at anyone who autovotes ACE or boxer
AUSSIESCUM
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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
August 25 2007 13:41 GMT
#5
On August 25 2007 22:21 SoMuchBetter wrote:
just take a look at anyone who autovotes boxer


[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
August 25 2007 13:46 GMT
#6
The reason it's 64% and not higher is because SC pro-gaming is so random. Any given player can beat any other given player. The skill differential between the top players is so minute that anyone who claims they know in advance which player will win is usually bullshitting.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 25 2007 13:49 GMT
#7
On August 25 2007 22:46 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The reason it's 64% and not higher is because SC pro-gaming is so random. Any given player can beat any other given player. The skill differential between the top players is so minute that anyone who claims they know in advance which player will win is usually bullshitting.


Or at least it hasn't been figured out yet. What if every university in the world dedicated its greatest minds to predicting SC matches? Would they get higher than 64%? If so, then we can still improve.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
JensOfSweden
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
August 25 2007 13:50 GMT
#8
Interesting!
<3 Nada [On and off TL.net since 2002
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
August 25 2007 13:58 GMT
#9
I've been thinking about making a system that uses TLPD statistics to own liquibet. It'd be fun to see how well it did.
If I find the time I'll start a thread in BW-section and we can discuss more what would be in it.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
August 25 2007 15:45 GMT
#10
i mean, it's nothing against the predictors. it's just that professional bw has so much parity every prediction is potentially a crapshoot
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
August 25 2007 16:28 GMT
#11
i was #2 for a while
then i dropped under 100 and stayed there
now im 154
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