EPTIt’s because of ActBliz recent shit tempo I’ve finally given them the kick and moved on to other things.
You’ll find me enjoying VR and soon HomeWorld 3. See you fellow old men out there in the gaming universe.
Renouncing our developer: Activision Blizzard. - Page 2
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4332 Posts
It’s because of ActBliz recent shit tempo I’ve finally given them the kick and moved on to other things. You’ll find me enjoying VR and soon HomeWorld 3. See you fellow old men out there in the gaming universe. | ||
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10107 Posts
On February 03 2020 16:33 BigFan wrote: I knew that you were trying to dodge me, but never would I have imagined that you would go to this extreme to do it, dang... I would make an exception to come back just to kick your ass. | ||
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riotjune
United States3392 Posts
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
Remember when you could download custom maps on fan sites and share them with your friends? Warcraft 3 was one of the three played games at our LAN events, BW and CS1.6 being the other ones. I'm just baffled by the choice to force the shitty remaster on classic players. Wanna know how it's done correctly? Take a look at the AOE2 Definitive Edition. | ||
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Greth
Belgium318 Posts
On February 03 2020 09:00 Jealous wrote: All this grandstanding is meaningless without any sort of action plan. Anyone can make demands. It takes effort to make them appealing and viable, which is what you failed to do. This is just one long, wordy whine thread  Well, one could argue the futility of an action plan when there has been irreparable damage done and no hope for proper developer support in the future. The list of demands is already pissing in the wind, as the whole point of the post was to point out that none of these demands will ever be fulfilled, as corporate interest has already moved away - and we as the community have no legal way of forcing the developer to do anything. And a lot of people are brainwashed enough to accept that. It is important that more people stop thinking of this as a silly game and instead think of it as an industry, and as livelihoods being adversely affected. Therefore, we need to mount an official protest, and official resistance - as alien as it might seem to some. This needs to be the beginning of a union, or a similar pressure-group. To many Americans or right wing thinkers this is of course beyond farcical, which is equally as sad. In order for anything to begin, the developer must officially be renounced as being a bad actor, as a malicious organisation that is damaging the scene. We've know this for a while, but it now needs to be an official stance from organisations and personalities involved. But many won't do that, as cutting ties with Blizzard is practically suicide now that RM has once more tethered the community to the umbilical. On February 03 2020 13:59 coffeesession wrote: The first few sentences made this thread a bit of a struggle to read; it seems to be colored, as if the brush got dropped into a bucket of heavy emotions and was not restored before the process of painting. I think it's understandable to anyone who can relate to the feeling of deep passion. I was more going for tired cynicism rather than bleary eyed sadness; simmering rage rather than 'deep passion' - a term I profusely mock in the article itself. On February 03 2020 13:59 coffeesession wrote: Boats You misunderstand. This is not a shot across the bough. This is a final communication until amends can be made. The conflict has been going on long enough. There is no need for debate or damage control or even reconciliation. The important thing here is the claim that 'the game' - rather the industry that Starcraft has become now belongs equally - if not more - to the community than it does Activision Blizzard. They have the right to distribute the software, but they cannot lay claim to the framework that exists around it. They have now actively tried to sink the ship by their greed and willful incompetence. That, if anything, is a false flag operation - perhaps could even be considered an act of privateering. Bigfan did a better job than I ever could at answering the rest. Finally - your defense of a large multi-national corporation. Which is something I find ideologically disturbing. The basis for quarterly gains influencing a scene that has existed for more than two decades is rampantly idiotic. This is - potentially (if you allow me a moment to be overly optimistic) creating the first generation of evergreen esports. To move away from 'games' and entering the domain of actual digital sports as a generational project. The amount of investment required from a billion dollar corporation to give the community exactly what it needs and wants is INSIGNIFICANT - Even if the paltry crumbs it would need won't immediately result in direct profit - which currently is the ONLY THING that drives ANY decision at Activision Blizzard. Many of the problems that RM is facing were SOLVED through third party plugins. And opening the project up to the community again would harvest this passion we speak of as bonafide goodwill labor - as despite the horrendous relationship with the developer - people don't give a rats fucking ass about what the suits at Activision Blizzard want; they'll fix the game out of spite. As for entitlement - again, this is a word that has lost all meaning in online discussion, especially on places like reddit. No, this is not entitlement, and I will not allow this to also bring up 'the toxic community'. This is a long extended debate that has now grown cold and sour as the conversation has been one-way for many years now. Demands can only remain civil for so long if all that is received is cold damage-control ridden marketing speak and requests of remaining patient, ignoring the fact that the audience is not in fact 12 years old and has a pretty good grasp on the reality of the situation. Yet here we are, Activision Blizzard acting like game development and corporate motivation is something arcane and wondrous that nobody can fathom. If we are entitled - demanding a product be restored to the functional state it was in before we were charged money for it (even the graphical improvement can be debated, but let us not digress) - then Activision Blizzard is being patronizing and disingenuous; perhaps (when we are throwing around terms like 'toxic community' it would be fair to include) even guilty of racketeering, which apparently is something you could eventually form a lawsuit over. (Perhaps more for Warcraft Reforged rather than BW, but hey, lets take out the punt-gun for this one shall we?) Why not look to Occams Razor. If a long loyal community - existing for 2 decades - suddenly becomes riotous and filled with rage - perhaps there is something to it? Perhaps we shouldn't leap to the defense of billion dollar corporation that has a factual history of turning to shit most of what it has produced in the last decade, never really truly delivering on anything they've promised and being responsible for some of the largest PR fuckups in living memory? Maybe people have a point? But no - let it be entitlement and toxicity when finally people start to snap. This post is about the end of the one-way dialogue. As we know that these demands will not be met. They will ignore us until we go away - except we've been here longer than they have, and we will continue to do so. The founders of Blizzard are gone, the creators of Starcraft are gone. The community is the rightful heir, the scene they abandoned, is the rightful heir. And the fact that this is deemed impossible by those with no connection to the history, is the problem here. This is the fight for a precedent - only it has happened plenty of times with other scenes and games. It is Activision Blizzard's corporate inability that even makes this an issue. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On February 05 2020 00:12 Greth wrote: Well, one could argue the futility of an action plan when there has been irreparable damage done and no hope for proper developer support in the future. [...] It is important that more people stop thinking of this as a silly game and instead think of it as an industry, and as livelihoods being adversely affected. [...] [...]Demands can only remain civil for so long if all that is received is cold damage-control ridden marketing speak and requests of remaining patient, ignoring the fact that the audience is not in fact 12 years old and has a pretty good grasp on the reality of the situation. What. I'm really not trying to flame you, but that is just delusional for so many reasons. We, as consumers of the company, have one simple choice: not to buy any Blizzard or Activision product, maybe to try to legally get refunds for bad products. You also have to option to phrase that claim towards other potential buyers and to refute their ill informed claim we'd be "a toxic community" with rational arguments. This is all the options you have, every other attempt described seems unrealistic at best - partially because you simplify cyber sports to just sports, or because you gently sweep away any legal claims a full armed industry has over their intellectual property. I'm with you when you make a case against the idiocy that is Blizzard nowadays, but if you want to improve the situation you should invest into trying to actually make do with what you have. If you don't, you will just be another case of people described in Chill's signature. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16665 Posts
"Play while its fun. When you get bored play something else." | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24785 Posts
On February 05 2020 05:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i recall Grubby having the perfect solution. "Play while its fun. When you get bored play something else." Which would be a good rule of thumb if the issue was players were bored of Warcraft 3, a pretty terrible one for this specific situation though. | ||
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sheda
France5 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On February 05 2020 05:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i recall Grubby having the perfect solution. "Play while its fun. When you get bored play something else." That's honestly a pretty ridiculous thing to say. If the rules of hockey were somehow suddenly changed by some authority and it made the game boring to play and watch, people wouldn't just quietly move on to other things without making a fuss. People are attached to the game and that's understandable. They would grieve the loss of the game they've invested time and emotion into. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On February 05 2020 05:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i recall Grubby having the perfect solution. "Play while its fun. When you get bored play something else." It's like you didn't read the blog and posted this lol. This has nothing to do with being boring... | ||
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Greth
Belgium318 Posts
On February 05 2020 01:09 GeckoXp wrote: What. I'm really not trying to flame you, but that is just delusional for so many reasons. We, as consumers of the company, have one simple choice: not to buy any Blizzard or Activision product, maybe to try to legally get refunds for bad products. You also have to option to phrase that claim towards other potential buyers and to refute their ill informed claim we'd be "a toxic community" with rational arguments. This is all the options you have, every other attempt described seems unrealistic at best - partially because you simplify cyber sports to just sports, or because you gently sweep away any legal claims a full armed industry has over their intellectual property. I'm with you when you make a case against the idiocy that is Blizzard nowadays, but if you want to improve the situation you should invest into trying to actually make do with what you have. If you don't, you will just be another case of people described in Chill's signature. I'm fully aware of the dichotomy here, and yes, it might come off as yet another toxic rant on the internet. 'I want you to fix the game while you listen to me berate you.' But that's not the point. The point of my post here is that it's the end of the conversation - or the community's (as far as I am allowed to represent it as a singular voice) monologue against an uncaring corporation that has supplanted the once revered developer. There is no need for us to ask, nor demand. We are owed. Blizzard Activision is the owner, irrefutably so - and I have no issue with it remaining the distributor of the product. But I dare imply that they have no ownership over the sport it created, nor the community that has grown into a professional scene, that provides people with income. This is something the esports and professional gaming industry has to take a long and hard look at. To provide a careful framework for a potential precedent where a community can lay claim on a scene and force a developer to heel. Yes, a very alien concept. Yet this is what the concept of unions are built around. - A flawed idea in the eyes of many - especially in the USA. So perhaps we have to approach this carefully. I have not laid out plans - perhaps in a follow up article. This one was simply to plant a flag and draw a line. It is inconceivable that a developer can come in after almost 2 decades and lay claim upon something they have had no corporate interest in for decades - simply on the basis of owning the IP (which nobody is refuting. They own and distribute. But again, that is a very limit control yet in every discussion it is seen as the ultimate argumentation, it never enters into that discussion of control of property. This is about obligation of maintenance and upholding of viability.) This is why I mentioned racketeering - an overblown charge perhaps, but something akin to it is happening here. This is a wilful reduction of the product against payment. This is damaging the scene, and arguably losing people money. (Their fault for being involved in gaemz lolz riht?). But this won't even be considered because esports is just entertainment industry. Even discussing competitive viability of games is looked at through the toxic and entitled lens - the fact that any monetised tournament of Hearthstone is not fundamentally branded as a gambling event with the amount of randomness etc... Also the ability of developers to make a game simply cease to exist without releasing server software to allow a scene to continue is horrendous. Something Activision Blizzard is now fully capable of doing if they decide to end Battle.net support for Brood War in a few years. There are plenty of precedents in the past of other companies doing so - and Activision was one of the first to kill private servers back with Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. So I disagree with saying that 'there are only so many options' as they are all dictated by a corporate reality. It is time for the gaming world - especially the esports world - to start thinking for itself, and start the foundation for precedents against the developer. | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
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Jealous
10111 Posts
On February 07 2020 19:27 ffswowsucks wrote: I have reported a guy named "pusydestroyer" on Europe that is almost 24/7 on bnet en channel like 2 months ago for his bad nickname. Blizzard haven't done anything. Seems like even the Report functionality is a failure. and that is something very small but shows how blizzard actually cares for starcraft remastered. Why you snitchin' | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24785 Posts
Lookin some stitches. To be fair perhaps this individual is wanting to convey that he is a general destroyer of noobs who is also unfortunately covered in puss. Or he’s a WC3 human player and loathes destroyers as any sensible person would. | ||
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Greth
Belgium318 Posts
All this means is RM isn't as popular in China. | ||
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