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I been on YT since the beginning. I know too much about it to think about it, cuz if I started ranting I might as well write a book. Those top 10 this, w/e that viral videos...any one of them gets more reward from YT than my last 20 videos combined. I get about a can of soup a day maybe, that's after 10 years of making half decent content. (the special combination of no more auto-notification, and algorithm change that focuses mostly just on view time and engagement, screwed me over especially hard. My channel is able to still stay afloat luckily) Fun fact: did you know youtube doesn't differentiate between a thumb up and a thumb down? It's all treated as an engagement activity.
But I keep making content whenever I have free time, for the love of it more than anything else. I would like to make a lot more comprehensive stuff like tutorials, taking requests and such... but that's hard unless I win the lottery. There are a lot of free tutorials out there sure, but people don't seem to get that if you want the good stuff, it naturally has to come from people with a crap tons of experience, and those people are not 18 year olds living with their parents, they have real bills to pay like I do. So I have my patreon page to help me make more contents and streams for the masses. It feels ridiculous cuz it feels like I have to ask them for coffee money, and they are doing me a favor. When it is more like, I can do a lot of commissions for a lot more $, and I give a lot of them up, asking people for pizza tipping money, to give them something that I think is way more valuable.
There are billions and billions of artists who are better than me. Yet you rarely find any of them devote a lot of time doing online videos. I'm slightly better than mediocre and have a decade of commission experience and has had theater released stuff and officials of states as clientele. But I'm a dumb-ass that still spends a lot of time making youtube videos because I love my boo boo (viewers who do enjoy the artwork) 
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Did they provide any reason for demontizing their content? This feels really bizzare to me. It sounds like they are purposely trying to destroy their own platform which doesn't make any sense!
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On November 20 2018 05:24 BigFan wrote:
Did they provide any reason for demontizing their content? This feels really bizzare to me. It sounds like they are purposely trying to destroy their own platform which doesn't make any sense!
Well, advertisers said they didn't want their brands to be associated with content that they thought would be not well-received by general audiences, aka little kids and grandmas. It had a lot to do with outside influences, and advertisers pressuring the platform to create stricter guidelines. Some of the change may also be due to the internal politics of Youtube, but that's purely speculative, so I'm not gonna go into that.
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On November 20 2018 09:15 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2018 05:24 BigFan wrote:
Did they provide any reason for demontizing their content? This feels really bizzare to me. It sounds like they are purposely trying to destroy their own platform which doesn't make any sense! Well, advertisers said they didn't want their brands to be associated with content that they thought would be not well-received by general audiences, aka little kids and grandmas. It had a lot to do with outside influences, and advertisers pressuring the platform to create stricter guidelines. Some of the change may also be due to the internal politics of Youtube, but that's purely speculative, so I'm not gonna go into that.
Fair enough, but I still get ads for a lot of different content so, how is this working exactly?
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On November 21 2018 12:21 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2018 09:15 ninazerg wrote:On November 20 2018 05:24 BigFan wrote:
Did they provide any reason for demontizing their content? This feels really bizzare to me. It sounds like they are purposely trying to destroy their own platform which doesn't make any sense! Well, advertisers said they didn't want their brands to be associated with content that they thought would be not well-received by general audiences, aka little kids and grandmas. It had a lot to do with outside influences, and advertisers pressuring the platform to create stricter guidelines. Some of the change may also be due to the internal politics of Youtube, but that's purely speculative, so I'm not gonna go into that. Fair enough, but I still get ads for a lot of different content so, how is this working exactly?
I'm not sure what you mean. You'll still watch ads. Youtube hasn't gotten rid of ads.
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I read a quarter of your post but stopped because I got tired of agreeing with you. Sorry. Feel free to give up reading mine here.
I do miss the times when ads weren't a thing and I found the videos through links on a forum. YouTube is actually getting unwatchable for me, because mid-sentence the video will be interrupted by some dumb ad, 2-4 times in a 20 minute video. I definitely am watching less now, but that's probably actually good for YouTube because I'm a waste of bandwidth who never buys anything.
I do think I always preferred content by people who weren't making a living on it though, because as you said people are trying to adapt to the YouTube algorithm and it is super boring. Also just generally I think it's more interesting to listen to normal people who haven't created an on-air persona. For the same reason I like people who make elaborate posts on forums and stuff. Entertainment can cost as much as you want it to, and the price starts at $0 for it turns out a hell of a lot of cool stuff. Same with education, it turns out you don't have to pay anything to learn a lot. Other than your electric and internet bill.
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On November 21 2018 22:25 Chef wrote:
I read a quarter of your post but stopped because I got tired of agreeing with you.
I'll try to make the next one more objectionable.
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On November 21 2018 14:16 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 12:21 BigFan wrote:On November 20 2018 09:15 ninazerg wrote:On November 20 2018 05:24 BigFan wrote:
Did they provide any reason for demontizing their content? This feels really bizzare to me. It sounds like they are purposely trying to destroy their own platform which doesn't make any sense! Well, advertisers said they didn't want their brands to be associated with content that they thought would be not well-received by general audiences, aka little kids and grandmas. It had a lot to do with outside influences, and advertisers pressuring the platform to create stricter guidelines. Some of the change may also be due to the internal politics of Youtube, but that's purely speculative, so I'm not gonna go into that. Fair enough, but I still get ads for a lot of different content so, how is this working exactly? I'm not sure what you mean. You'll still watch ads. Youtube hasn't gotten rid of ads.
That was my point. So, the ads are still there, but youtube is pocketing all the money for user-generated content where as before, they were giving some to the content providers. Is this right or did I miss something? Obviously, they are providing a free service to upload videos, but this change still feels odd somewhat to me seeing as the ads are still being displayed on whatever videos.
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On November 22 2018 09:20 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2018 14:16 ninazerg wrote:On November 21 2018 12:21 BigFan wrote:On November 20 2018 09:15 ninazerg wrote:On November 20 2018 05:24 BigFan wrote:
Did they provide any reason for demontizing their content? This feels really bizzare to me. It sounds like they are purposely trying to destroy their own platform which doesn't make any sense! Well, advertisers said they didn't want their brands to be associated with content that they thought would be not well-received by general audiences, aka little kids and grandmas. It had a lot to do with outside influences, and advertisers pressuring the platform to create stricter guidelines. Some of the change may also be due to the internal politics of Youtube, but that's purely speculative, so I'm not gonna go into that. Fair enough, but I still get ads for a lot of different content so, how is this working exactly? I'm not sure what you mean. You'll still watch ads. Youtube hasn't gotten rid of ads. That was my point. So, the ads are still there, but youtube is pocketing all the money for user-generated content where as before, they were giving some to the content providers. Is this right or did I miss something? Obviously, they are providing a free service to upload videos, but this change still feels odd somewhat to me seeing as the ads are still being displayed on whatever videos.
1. What youtube considers monetizable content guideline becomes tighter for all the reasons mentioned. Their user agreement uses language especially vague and often down right forward like "and any other content we deem inappropriate etc". You still see ads on a variety of videos due to 1) either the video is actually fine, or 2) it is not yet flagged by the AI.
2. Youtube doesn't pocket all the money. It's always 50% (technically I think 48 or 49% right now). They just don't care as much what rest of the 50% goes. If it's a legit video with fully monetizable content, it will go to the creator. If there are copyright material involved, it will generally go to the copyright holder. If there is MCN (think networks like on TV), then generally they will take a % from the channel creator under their contract, rates vary. All this is for the remaining 50%. Youtube always take their 50% share first.
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On November 03 2018 16:18 ninazerg wrote:Boy oh boy, I'm sure I got that off my chest. It was really weighing me down. And hey, if you liked this blog, be sure to slam your face against that subscribe button, rate the blog, leave a comment in the comment box below, make sure to ring that bell, and if you're feeling generous, check out my patreon here!
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On December 03 2018 16:52 zerglingling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2018 16:18 ninazerg wrote:Boy oh boy, I'm sure I got that off my chest. It was really weighing me down. And hey, if you liked this blog, be sure to slam your face against that subscribe button, rate the blog, leave a comment in the comment box below, make sure to ring that bell, and if you're feeling generous, check out my patreon here! sent
People who donate will receive the following:
$1: Keep your stupid dollar.
$5: I will ignore you.
$10: I will think "Maybe I should thank them" while in the shower, but will forget to do it later
$25: I will type your name in a cool font.
$50: You get one short poem from me.
$100: I will play a game of your choosing (if I have the game) with you for one hour each month
$250: I will send you an envelope with a piece of paper inside that says "penis" on it
$500: I will send you a t-shirt that says "virgin 4 life" on it to you.
$1000: I will send you a limited-edition hair-doll made from my actual hair
$5000: I will send you a video of myself eating a meatball sub while on the toilet.
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Haha. Reverse rewards. The 'rewards' (unwards?) get progressively worse, the more you donate, I... oh wait. I get it.
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Don't worry, each of these is probably someone's fetish.
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On November 24 2018 00:50 Glider wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2018 09:20 BigFan wrote:On November 21 2018 14:16 ninazerg wrote:On November 21 2018 12:21 BigFan wrote:On November 20 2018 09:15 ninazerg wrote:On November 20 2018 05:24 BigFan wrote:
Did they provide any reason for demontizing their content? This feels really bizzare to me. It sounds like they are purposely trying to destroy their own platform which doesn't make any sense! Well, advertisers said they didn't want their brands to be associated with content that they thought would be not well-received by general audiences, aka little kids and grandmas. It had a lot to do with outside influences, and advertisers pressuring the platform to create stricter guidelines. Some of the change may also be due to the internal politics of Youtube, but that's purely speculative, so I'm not gonna go into that. Fair enough, but I still get ads for a lot of different content so, how is this working exactly? I'm not sure what you mean. You'll still watch ads. Youtube hasn't gotten rid of ads. That was my point. So, the ads are still there, but youtube is pocketing all the money for user-generated content where as before, they were giving some to the content providers. Is this right or did I miss something? Obviously, they are providing a free service to upload videos, but this change still feels odd somewhat to me seeing as the ads are still being displayed on whatever videos. 1. What youtube considers monetizable content guideline becomes tighter for all the reasons mentioned. Their user agreement uses language especially vague and often down right forward like "and any other content we deem inappropriate etc". You still see ads on a variety of videos due to 1) either the video is actually fine, or 2) it is not yet flagged by the AI. 2. Youtube doesn't pocket all the money. It's always 50% (technically I think 48 or 49% right now). They just don't care as much what rest of the 50% goes. If it's a legit video with fully monetizable content, it will go to the creator. If there are copyright material involved, it will generally go to the copyright holder. If there is MCN (think networks like on TV), then generally they will take a % from the channel creator under their contract, rates vary. All this is for the remaining 50%. Youtube always take their 50% share first.
but wasn't Nina saying that they now demonetizable content? So, that means that youtube takes its share, and does what with the rest then? I'm missing something here, I think. Thanks for the rest of the explanation, was really insightful overall.
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On December 11 2018 11:57 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2018 00:50 Glider wrote:On November 22 2018 09:20 BigFan wrote:On November 21 2018 14:16 ninazerg wrote:On November 21 2018 12:21 BigFan wrote:On November 20 2018 09:15 ninazerg wrote:On November 20 2018 05:24 BigFan wrote:
Did they provide any reason for demontizing their content? This feels really bizzare to me. It sounds like they are purposely trying to destroy their own platform which doesn't make any sense! Well, advertisers said they didn't want their brands to be associated with content that they thought would be not well-received by general audiences, aka little kids and grandmas. It had a lot to do with outside influences, and advertisers pressuring the platform to create stricter guidelines. Some of the change may also be due to the internal politics of Youtube, but that's purely speculative, so I'm not gonna go into that. Fair enough, but I still get ads for a lot of different content so, how is this working exactly? I'm not sure what you mean. You'll still watch ads. Youtube hasn't gotten rid of ads. That was my point. So, the ads are still there, but youtube is pocketing all the money for user-generated content where as before, they were giving some to the content providers. Is this right or did I miss something? Obviously, they are providing a free service to upload videos, but this change still feels odd somewhat to me seeing as the ads are still being displayed on whatever videos. 1. What youtube considers monetizable content guideline becomes tighter for all the reasons mentioned. Their user agreement uses language especially vague and often down right forward like "and any other content we deem inappropriate etc". You still see ads on a variety of videos due to 1) either the video is actually fine, or 2) it is not yet flagged by the AI. 2. Youtube doesn't pocket all the money. It's always 50% (technically I think 48 or 49% right now). They just don't care as much what rest of the 50% goes. If it's a legit video with fully monetizable content, it will go to the creator. If there are copyright material involved, it will generally go to the copyright holder. If there is MCN (think networks like on TV), then generally they will take a % from the channel creator under their contract, rates vary. All this is for the remaining 50%. Youtube always take their 50% share first. but wasn't Nina saying that they now demonetizable content? So, that means that youtube takes its share, and does what with the rest then? I'm missing something here, I think. Thanks for the rest of the explanation, was really insightful overall.
demonetized content = no advertising on the video = pretty much no money for anyone. So there is no share for YT, no share for the content creator. (I say "pretty much" because i'm not sure if there are on page ads not in the video that counts toward anything. But i'm sure yt keeps all those, insignificant as they are compared to in video ads) The 50/50% rule only come into play when there is some type of ad associated directly with the video.
ps. As to the main point raised in this thread by ninazerg.. The whole view time / click bait shallow content culture / it's just all too true and depressing so i just kinda ignored them. Jrkirby's reply makes sense too.. doesn't make the whole thing less depressing (i'm biased cuz i'm a content creator), but it also raise the point of just think of YT as a game. In which case those large channels like buzzfeed are playing it better than most hehe. Anyway, first world issues.
pss. Hey I'm actually friends with the guy who owns the largest wood working channel on Youtube ! don't knock wood working ^_^
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