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Fighting the AI, what insanity!!!!!

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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-25 06:45:32
August 04 2018 00:41 GMT
#1
When people talk about fighting the AI in BW, many typically think of trying to run units up a ramp, through a choke or other situations where the units can or will bug out if they aren't handled properly. However, it's also precisely because of the AI that BW will always remain the best RTS of all time. Even casuals are able to pull off amazing moves in due time.

In what other game can you pull off this kind of fine maneuvering? None!

Let the battle begin!

A U-turn? Yep! Corsair vs scourge battles and dare I say, scourge dodging are a cornerstone of PvZ if you go for the forge FE build and decide to play it Bisu style. This is a clear example where you can abuse the AI by changing direction quickly which in turn causes scourge to stall very shortly. After all, scourge will eventually catch up to corsairs if you don't do something to increase the chances of your corsair fleet surviving.

As well, who could forget one of the best RTS units of all time?


And the scouts said "TATATATA! All your drones belong to us!".


***
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 04 2018 00:48 GMT
#2
Another picture of the heroes!

[image loading]
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 03:49:14
August 04 2018 03:48 GMT
#3
My favorite ai glitch in BW is the drone drill.. so effective for zerg and so difficult to predict as toss.. understanding and abusing these AI glitches throughout a game is 70-80% of being a good broodwar player.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 17:36:24
August 04 2018 09:45 GMT
#4
On August 04 2018 12:48 funnybananaman wrote:
My favorite ai glitch in BW is the drone drill.. so effective for zerg and so difficult to predict as toss.. understanding and abusing these AI glitches throughout a game is 70-80% of being a good broodwar player. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYgPE91prbM


Man the balls of steel on PARK SUNG JOON gave us one of our favourite Bisu moments
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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5201 Posts
August 04 2018 10:30 GMT
#5
AND BISU'S MOUTH JUST HIT THE FLOOR, BISU CAN NOT BELIEVE WHAT JUST HAPPENED.
Damn, the video has been removed for some reason...
Taxes are for Terrans
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-04 17:47:29
August 04 2018 17:28 GMT
#6
If there's one thing BigFan is a hero of, it's of BMing. He doesn't just BM, he follows up by posting a blog *featured* blog about the BM and dedicates the OP and the first comment to it.

On August 04 2018 09:48 BigFan wrote:
Another picture of the heroes!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


When I grow up, I want to BM just like you.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 05 2018 06:25 GMT
#7
For me, I think that's one of the best BW moments ever. It was a clever use of BW AI and was just amazing. I would've probably been floored too had I watched it live lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 05 2018 21:34 GMT
#8
I'm going on wikipedia and editing Canada's top exports to include BAD MANNERS
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-06 07:41:39
August 06 2018 07:40 GMT
#9
To your first point, you could do similar micro in Total Annihilation. Dog fights in particular were exciting.

Having said that air to air missiles were guided and fighters could stop on a dime and counter attack your own.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 06 2018 08:33 GMT
#10
On August 06 2018 16:40 DSK wrote:
To your first point, you could do similar micro in Total Annihilation. Dog fights in particular were exciting.

Having said that air to air missiles were guided and fighters could stop on a dime and counter attack your own.


You ever slow the game down to like -3 speed in TA? You can really outmicro the computer hard.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-06 14:24:14
August 06 2018 14:21 GMT
#11
On August 06 2018 16:40 DSK wrote:
To your first point, you could do similar micro in Total Annihilation. Dog fights in particular were exciting.

Having said that air to air missiles were guided and fighters could stop on a dime and counter attack your own.

Don't fully get how the second line relates. Are you saying that even though you can pull off spectacular micro, it was diminished by the fact that missiles were guided and opponents can just stop halfway through to pull off a counter?

On that note, I've never played TA, only tried the demo for it. It seemed ok, but I still prefer BW to it. I did try SupCom, but I hear that the differences were night and day.

On August 06 2018 06:34 ninazerg wrote:
I'm going on wikipedia and editing Canada's top exports to include BAD MANNERS

haha nice, but there was nothing BM about using scouts to win the game! Now, if I made a single scout to BM him, sure! But those scouts killed drones and denied that base from mining for a longgggggggg time!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
August 06 2018 17:37 GMT
#12
Single scout = BM.

3 scouts = Triple BM!!!111!!
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-06 18:46:31
August 06 2018 18:45 GMT
#13
On August 06 2018 23:21 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2018 16:40 DSK wrote:
To your first point, you could do similar micro in Total Annihilation. Dog fights in particular were exciting.

Having said that air to air missiles were guided and fighters could stop on a dime and counter attack your own.

Don't fully get how the second line relates. Are you saying that even though you can pull off spectacular micro, it was diminished by the fact that missiles were guided and opponents can just stop halfway through to pull off a counter?

On that note, I've never played TA, only tried the demo for it. It seemed ok, but I still prefer BW to it. I did try SupCom, but I hear that the differences were night and day


Well, the engines of the games are different beasts; TA had things like true line of sight, bump mapped 3D terrain. In regards to the missiles, apologies for not explaining further (was at work and couldn't type a detailed post). They are guided, and lock on to targets automatically but are not terribly agile (they can curve their trajectories). However if you micro in such a way they you can out-run them and they will lose fuel and fall harmlessly to the ground.

Basically, you could in theory do something akin to the micro shown in the gif with the Corsairs and Scourge, but with regards to fighter aircraft the missiles were guided and could maneuver somewhat. If enemy planes were chasing your own, and you were tracking your units (centering the camera on them throughout) you could use stop and move micro to circle around to face them, move past them, stop again and get two shots off when the opponent might only get one.

I'll try and make a video tomorrow to illustrate my point.

On August 06 2018 17:33 ninazerg wrote:
You ever slow the game down to like -3 speed in TA? You can really outmicro the computer hard.


Nah man, +10 speed all the way every day!.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 06 2018 20:41 GMT
#14
On August 06 2018 23:21 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2018 16:40 DSK wrote:
To your first point, you could do similar micro in Total Annihilation. Dog fights in particular were exciting.

Having said that air to air missiles were guided and fighters could stop on a dime and counter attack your own.

Don't fully get how the second line relates. Are you saying that even though you can pull off spectacular micro, it was diminished by the fact that missiles were guided and opponents can just stop halfway through to pull off a counter?

On that note, I've never played TA, only tried the demo for it. It seemed ok, but I still prefer BW to it. I did try SupCom, but I hear that the differences were night and day.

Show nested quote +
On August 06 2018 06:34 ninazerg wrote:
I'm going on wikipedia and editing Canada's top exports to include BAD MANNERS

haha nice, but there was nothing BM about using scouts to win the game! Now, if I made a single scout to BM him, sure! But those scouts killed drones and denied that base from mining for a longgggggggg time!


The amount of disrespect is unreal, and it's about to get unrealer.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-07 01:36:59
August 07 2018 01:34 GMT
#15
On August 07 2018 02:37 JieXian wrote:
Single scout = BM.

3 scouts = Triple BM!!!111!!


On August 07 2018 05:41 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2018 23:21 BigFan wrote:
On August 06 2018 16:40 DSK wrote:
To your first point, you could do similar micro in Total Annihilation. Dog fights in particular were exciting.

Having said that air to air missiles were guided and fighters could stop on a dime and counter attack your own.

Don't fully get how the second line relates. Are you saying that even though you can pull off spectacular micro, it was diminished by the fact that missiles were guided and opponents can just stop halfway through to pull off a counter?

On that note, I've never played TA, only tried the demo for it. It seemed ok, but I still prefer BW to it. I did try SupCom, but I hear that the differences were night and day.

On August 06 2018 06:34 ninazerg wrote:
I'm going on wikipedia and editing Canada's top exports to include BAD MANNERS

haha nice, but there was nothing BM about using scouts to win the game! Now, if I made a single scout to BM him, sure! But those scouts killed drones and denied that base from mining for a longgggggggg time!


The amount of disrespect is unreal, and it's about to get unrealer.

There were definitely more than 3 there, I had at least 5 at that base! I also had another 2 attack that base later! So, what kind of BM was this then? Quintuple BM????? Septuple BM????? Not everything is BM!!!!! :D

On August 07 2018 03:45 DSK wrote:
I'll try and make a video tomorrow to illustrate my point.

Looking forward to it.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-07 08:54:57
August 07 2018 08:25 GMT
#16
Yes thank you nina!

So you're saying that more BM = No BM? Is that why you seem to think that after you've lost 5 games of PvZ in a row and you win 1 game of PvZ your record is 1-0?

Also, what's this pretentious "quintuple", "septuple" Latin/Middle French bullshit about? Real down to earth folk would classify 5x BM as a:

mmmMMMega BM!


You should turn that W upside down and just be BM Editor in Chief!
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 07 2018 20:20 GMT
#17
hahahahaha you're funny! Why don't you research what quintuple means then!

Sure, I can be the BM Editor in Chief, especially if someone seems like he deserves it! :D
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 07 2018 22:53 GMT
#18
On August 07 2018 10:34 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2018 02:37 JieXian wrote:
Single scout = BM.

3 scouts = Triple BM!!!111!!


Show nested quote +
On August 07 2018 05:41 ninazerg wrote:
On August 06 2018 23:21 BigFan wrote:
On August 06 2018 16:40 DSK wrote:
To your first point, you could do similar micro in Total Annihilation. Dog fights in particular were exciting.

Having said that air to air missiles were guided and fighters could stop on a dime and counter attack your own.

Don't fully get how the second line relates. Are you saying that even though you can pull off spectacular micro, it was diminished by the fact that missiles were guided and opponents can just stop halfway through to pull off a counter?

On that note, I've never played TA, only tried the demo for it. It seemed ok, but I still prefer BW to it. I did try SupCom, but I hear that the differences were night and day.

On August 06 2018 06:34 ninazerg wrote:
I'm going on wikipedia and editing Canada's top exports to include BAD MANNERS

haha nice, but there was nothing BM about using scouts to win the game! Now, if I made a single scout to BM him, sure! But those scouts killed drones and denied that base from mining for a longgggggggg time!


The amount of disrespect is unreal, and it's about to get unrealer.

There were definitely more than 3 there, I had at least 5 at that base! I also had another 2 attack that base later! So, what kind of BM was this then? Quintuple BM????? Septuple BM????? Not everything is BM!!!!! :D

Show nested quote +
On August 07 2018 03:45 DSK wrote:
I'll try and make a video tomorrow to illustrate my point.

Looking forward to it.


You've basically just quintupled Canada's overall output of bm right here.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
August 08 2018 11:12 GMT
#19
On August 08 2018 05:20 BigFan wrote:
hahahahaha you're funny! Why don't you research what quintuple means then!

Sure, I can be the BM Editor in Chief, especially if someone seems like he deserves it! :D


Great! Change your sig then!

Don't you think I should have already known what quintuple means if I knew it was from Latin and Middle French? Or are you just quintuple-y slow as you are BM? HAH
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 09 2018 19:27 GMT
#20
rofl, no can do! You still haven't proven that what I did was BM.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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