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Greatest High-Profile Series Players of All Time

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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
April 25 2018 09:04 GMT
#1
Wanted to share with everyone a definitive list of the top 2 individual league players between 2007 and 2012.

I will have the following inclusion criteria:

1) Only MBC and OGN series will count.

-> Besides MBC and OGN, it is hard to prove that players actually took WCG, GomTV, Seoul e-Sports etc seriously in terms of devoting sizeable amounts of practice time for them.

2) Any best-of-series that was played below the round of 8 for OGN and ro16 for MBG will be excluded.

-> Since the seeding system was around for most of professional Brood War, I didn't want to punish the players for being good enough to be seeded, while proficient newb-stompers were racking up huge numbers within the preliminary stages.

So without further ado, these were the greatest high profile best-of-series players of the modern era, ranked by their overall number of wins gained within a best-of-series:

Top Two High Profile Best-of-Series Players of Modern Day Professional Brood War

1. Flash

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Major individual league record: 94-51 (64.83%)

Flash is the player with the most number of victories just within the major individual leagues, albeit with a slightly lower win rate than Jaedong. Flash did enjoy great success in tournaments hosted by GomTV (GomTV Invitational, and GomTV Classic Season 3 in particular), but found it hard to find consistent success within WCG Korea, representing Korea only once in his peak year of 2010.

2. Jaedong

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Major individual league record: 93-47 (66.43%)

Jaedong's BoX record vs Flash was heavily impacted by his string of finals losses to Flash in 2010, twice in consecutive MSLs and once in the OSL.

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It is extremely interesting to note that Flash was able to maintain his individual league domination even at a time when the Terran race as a whole was underrepresented in BoX formats aside from him.

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Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
April 25 2018 09:05 GMT
#2
I will add more players to this list as soon as Letmelose releases the data.
Что?
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
April 25 2018 11:13 GMT
#3
Ooo to me Savior really embodies playing a series against someone. He was very good at managing the mindset of his opponent. Boxer did too.

Flash was very good at this too, although his overwhelming skill really aided him. After he started gaining a year or two of experience, he'd end taking risks (fast expanding, or cheese). Players were so focused on trying to keep up with his incredible macro and expoing, that he'd throw in a cheese or an occasional timing push and it almost always worked.

Also, can't not mention when F91 mindfucked Idra. F91 was another one of those players who would play different styles so well that they'd compliment each other. You can't expo liberally vs F91, because he could play aggressively really well. You couldn't make blind safe decisions against the aggressive play, because he could play economically really well.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-25 14:47:24
April 25 2018 14:44 GMT
#4
Oh lol didn't notice this was just a response to Letmelose's blog
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 25 2018 19:35 GMT
#5
Levels of pettiness never seen before.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
April 25 2018 21:01 GMT
#6
Tldr, 0/5, Letmelose for the win!
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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
April 26 2018 03:55 GMT
#7
I am alternating between slapping my forehead in despair and laughing my ass off. Thanks for this.
The original Bogus fan.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-26 06:16:08
April 26 2018 05:22 GMT
#8
I actually think this blog brings up an interesting question: where would have FanTaSy and JangBi ended up had professional Brood War not ended prematurely?

Counting only the best-of-series that was played within the OGN StarLeague and MBC Game StarLeague between the top sixteen players give interesting results. The records between the third placed player (Bisu) and the sixth placed player (JangBi) isn't as wide as the criteria I personally arranged.

1. Flash: 94-51 (64.83%)
2. Jaedong: 93-47 (66.43%)
3. Bisu: 55-38 (59.14%)
4. Stork: 55-50 (52.38%)
5. FanTaSy: 47-28 (62.67%)
6. JangBi: 45-26 (63.38%)

Judging from only OGN StarLeague and MBC Game StarLeague, you could argue that both FanTaSy and JangBi (who together dominated all individual leagues towards the end of professional Brood War) were threatening to replace Bisu and Stork as the de facto definitive individual league players of the modern era (since both Flash and Jaedong had around twice as many victories from high profile series play, they were beyond their reach unless FanTaSy and JangBi kept up their high performance for years).

Are you of the opinion that players such as FanTaSy and JangBi were on the verge of replacing Bisu and Stork (who were on the wane towards the end of professional Brood War in terms of individual league performances) as the greatest best-of-series players alongside Flash and Jaedong? Bisu hadn't played a single best-of-five series since 2009, so it is not certain that he would have pulled out ahead once again.

For example, FanTaSy, and JangBi had both qualified for the MBC Game StarLeague that would existed in late 2011, had MBC Game not shut itself down. It probably would have aired on television between Jin Air OGN StarLeague, and Tving OGN StarLeague.

Considering it takes 11 victories from series play to win the MBC Game StarLeague, it's not a huge stretch of the imagination to conjure an alternate reality where one of FanTaSy or JangBi takes the entire tournament to leapfrog ahead of either Stork or Bisu, both of whom failed to show great individual league form for over a year leading up to the end of professional Brood War (mid-2011 to mid-2012).

Just a thought.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 26 2018 05:59 GMT
#9
Looking at both blogs, I can honestly say that the only conclusion I can come to is that the OP was upset that Flash wasn't ranked at the top.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
April 26 2018 07:06 GMT
#10
On April 26 2018 14:59 LegalLord wrote:
Looking at both blogs, I can honestly say that the only conclusion I can come to is that the OP was upset that Flash wasn't ranked at the top.


Yeah he's complained about it in lml's blogs before.
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
543 Posts
April 29 2018 18:32 GMT
#11
On April 26 2018 14:22 Letmelose wrote:
I actually think this blog brings up an interesting question: where would have FanTaSy and JangBi ended up had professional Brood War not ended prematurely?

Counting only the best-of-series that was played within the OGN StarLeague and MBC Game StarLeague between the top sixteen players give interesting results. The records between the third placed player (Bisu) and the sixth placed player (JangBi) isn't as wide as the criteria I personally arranged.

1. Flash: 94-51 (64.83%)
2. Jaedong: 93-47 (66.43%)
3. Bisu: 55-38 (59.14%)
4. Stork: 55-50 (52.38%)
5. FanTaSy: 47-28 (62.67%)
6. JangBi: 45-26 (63.38%)

Judging from only OGN StarLeague and MBC Game StarLeague, you could argue that both FanTaSy and JangBi (who together dominated all individual leagues towards the end of professional Brood War) were threatening to replace Bisu and Stork as the de facto definitive individual league players of the modern era (since both Flash and Jaedong had around twice as many victories from high profile series play, they were beyond their reach unless FanTaSy and JangBi kept up their high performance for years).

Are you of the opinion that players such as FanTaSy and JangBi were on the verge of replacing Bisu and Stork (who were on the wane towards the end of professional Brood War in terms of individual league performances) as the greatest best-of-series players alongside Flash and Jaedong? Bisu hadn't played a single best-of-five series since 2009, so it is not certain that he would have pulled out ahead once again.

For example, FanTaSy, and JangBi had both qualified for the MBC Game StarLeague that would existed in late 2011, had MBC Game not shut itself down. It probably would have aired on television between Jin Air OGN StarLeague, and Tving OGN StarLeague.

Considering it takes 11 victories from series play to win the MBC Game StarLeague, it's not a huge stretch of the imagination to conjure an alternate reality where one of FanTaSy or JangBi takes the entire tournament to leapfrog ahead of either Stork or Bisu, both of whom failed to show great individual league form for over a year leading up to the end of professional Brood War (mid-2011 to mid-2012).

Just a thought.


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