I know BW vs SC2 arguing is frowned upon and frankly fucking stupid, but I think the SC2 community has some good ideas. You see, in the past few years, they seem to have learnt that balance whining is, in fact, retarded, and so some have subtly, cleverly changed their way of presenting arguments.

As it turns out, saying "x is bad game design" is a much better way of ~~whining like a little bitch~~ discussing the noble ESPORT known as starcraft, so that should replace common sentences such as "I have a hard time beating x", "my favourite korean terran lost against x" or even "x is op u n00b" . By taking the discussion from balance to the totally well defined concept of "game design" you can much more easily establish your intellectual superiority and gain an edge in the rest of the discussion.

fluidrone

France1478 Posts

January 23 2017 00:23 GMT

#42

there is nothing to argue about

brood war is awesome! <3

ninazerg

United States7291 Posts

January 23 2017 01:50 GMT

#43

On January 23 2017 06:56 Teoita wrote:
I know BW vs SC2 arguing is frowned upon and frankly fucking stupid, but I think the SC2 community has some good ideas. You see, in the past few years, they seem to have learnt that balance whining is, in fact, retarded, and so some have subtly, cleverly changed their way of presenting arguments.

As it turns out, saying "x is bad game design" is a much better way of ~~whining like a little bitch~~ discussing the noble ESPORT known as starcraft, so that should replace common sentences such as "I have a hard time beating x", "my favourite korean terran lost against x" or even "x is op u n00b" . By taking the discussion from balance to the totally well defined concept of "game design" you can much more easily establish your intellectual superiority and gain an edge in the rest of the discussion.

I guess everyone is a game designer now. I'm actually on the balance-design team for a game called "Teen Angst Simulator", and many test players have said their teen is too hard to control and that hormone levels rise too quickly. So trust me when I say Skytoss is fucking broken as shit.

iloveav

Poland1474 Posts

January 23 2017 13:04 GMT

#44

Id like to drop my w cents, first on your examples:

- We should use battlecruisers in TvZ, Firebathero
- We should use disruption web in PvT, Foru, also did myself
- We should use scouts versus Zerg, Or any match up :D.
- We should use ghosts to lockdown arbiters that are coming to recall, Boxer vs free if i remember correctly
- We need to do nuke rushes against Zerg more, Boxer
- Zerg should use burrow against Terran, 2v2
- Zerg should use ensnare against Terran and Protoss, AND IN ZVZ
- Zerg should use parasite in general because it's free scouting, Especially any unit that costs more gas than a queen
- Why not use firebats as drops against Protoss probes, I got nothin
- ZvT is broken because Zerg is forced to go pool first or die to bunkers
- TvP is broken because Protoss can go 12 nexus with no consequences, Cryoc might disagree with my 12 nex
- PvZ is broken because too much zergs, Haha, many zerg victims you say?
- ZvP is broken because reaver/cannon in the late game is impossible to break, +storm
- PvT is broken because the mech ball is unstoppable
- ZvT is broken because the mech ball is unstoppable
- ZvT is broken because +1 5 rax and my mutas can't micro down 36 marines, Go lurks! :D
- PvZ is broken because lurkers
- PvZ is broken because hydra bust
- PvZ is broken because of zerg units
- PvT is broken because strong FD
- TvZ is broken because defiler too strongk
- TvP is broken because carriers
- TvP is borked because of recalls

Now my personal complain:

-Broodwar is broken because you are better than me.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada16270 Posts

January 23 2017 15:26 GMT

#45

On January 23 2017 06:56 Teoita wrote:
As it turns out, saying "x is bad game design" is a much better way of ~~whining like a little bitch~~ discussing the noble ESPORT known as starcraft, so that should replace common sentences such as "I have a hard time beating x", "my favourite korean terran lost against x" or even "x is op u n00b" . By taking the discussion from balance to the totally well defined concept of "game design" you can much more easily establish your intellectual superiority and gain an edge in the rest of the discussion.

this is the kind of high order thinking one is capable of once one has 10,000+ posts on this forum.

ninazerg

United States7291 Posts

January 23 2017 22:10 GMT

#46

On January 23 2017 22:04 iloveav wrote:
- Why not use firebats as drops against Protoss probes, I got nothin

It comes up occasionally, trust me.

- ZvP is broken because reaver/cannon in the late game is impossible to break, +storm

Yeah, I hear this often as well. I was just giving *some* examples. There's a whole universe of possibilities for people to complain about!

Duckvillelol

Australia1228 Posts

January 24 2017 07:57 GMT

#47

No mention of The Stove in OP, however I understand why as it's a build that is rarely used, except that one time when Pro player CrownRoyal used it and it was a fantastic build for at least 50% of the game where it worked 100% of the time.

As such, I and the rest of the scientific and mathematics community support this well-founded post. Kudos to you, Ninazerg.