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Around 8 or so years ago, I became interested in bonsai. I was fascinated by the tiny trees and wanted to learn how to grow and cultivate my own. For a while I invested a lot of time and energy into the hobby, but then I became busy with real life stuff like work, and eventually StarCraft and Team Liquid (which also eventually became a job). Bonsai as a real hobby can be very time consuming, since you have to water, wire, adjust, and do all sorts of daily maintenance. Especially since I became fond of high maintenance species, such as pemphis acidula. Of course you can leave things to grow out too, but I felt like I wouldn't be able to enjoy the hobby if I could only dedicate an hour to it every day. So I eventually stopped around 3 years into the hobby.
+ Show Spoiler [Examples of Pemphis acidula bonsai] +A lot of people consider pemphis acidula one of the best and most amazing species that can be used in bonsai. Their natural shari can be dramatic and otherworldly, and their bark, even in very young and sheltered specimens, can be extremely coarse and detailed. ![[image loading]](http://miniscaping.com//assets/uploads/5/54/547/547b4834bb0479.65080684.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://artofbonsai.org/galleries/images/cheng/16.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.bonsaiempire.com/images/artists/trees/Gede-Merta-Pemphis-Acidula.jpg) While I did not have anything close to as beautiful as these, I did have around ~5 pre-bonsai that I was developing and shaping. Unfortunately I did not take any pictures, but most of them were in states similar to this picture: ![[image loading]](https://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/15/50/09/99/dsc_1548.jpg) I was already trying to ramify them and they were all growing really well. One of the peculiarities of pemphis acidula is that you have to spray or water them with salt water once in a while. Not every day, mind you, but a few times a week. These plants are found in coastal cliffs and mangroves, so exposure to salt water ensures they stay compact and have short fleshy leaves. Aside from pemphis acidula, I also had desmodium, Ficus microcarpa, Serissa foetida, boxwood, and even a crabapple.
Recently, I've started becoming interested in plants again, but I gravitated towards a kind that requires a little less attention: succulents. Now, that might not sound as interesting as bonsai at first, but after a lot of looking around and research, I became enamored by these little weirdos as well.
They are a lot easier to take care of. They only need watering once or twice a week, depending on the season, and don't really require much pruning, unless you want them to branch out, thicken at the base, or propagate. Fertilizers are largely unnecessary since they are used to living in nutrient poor soil, and not using fertilizers ensures they stay compact and look like how they would in nature. So basically you only need to pay attention to them a handful of times a week, if that.
So over the past few months I've been growing my collection and learning more about them. Turns out there is a lot more to succulents than what you probably imagine.
You're probably thinking something like this:
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..or something in the Aloe family. I think those are the most common kinds of succulents that people are exposed to, and that's the kind you see in supermarkets and gardening stores most often. Their thick squishy leaves pretty much define a succulent for most people, but the definition is actually somewhat broader.
From wikipedia:
In botany, succulent plants, also known as succulents or sometimes fat plants, are plants that have some parts that are more than normally thickened and fleshy, usually to retain water in arid climates or soil conditions.
While most people think of leaves being thick and fleshy, roots and stems can also retain water. And this is where things really get interesting. My favorite succulents are called caudiciform, because they possess a caudex. A caudex is basically an enlarged rootstock, where plants can hold water.
Here is a small example of a caudex, from my Monadenium montanum var. rubellum:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/Blog/DSC_0463.jpg)
Yep, that weird thing in the middle is called a caudex. Here are other examples from the internet:
+ Show Spoiler [Caudiciform examples] +Euphorbia stellata ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KzZ7dT_XKDM/UeHIzdcWSiI/AAAAAAAAB-M/4inrfZFsrpk/s1600/IMG_1637.jpg) Adenium obesum, most commonly known as desert rose ![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/73/67/32/73673226a3d7942cd462560e8a65680c.jpg) Pachypodium saundersii ![[image loading]](http://www.llifle.com/photos/Pachypodium_lealii_subs._saundersii_19835_l.jpg) Discorea elephantipes, commonly known as Elephant's foot ![[image loading]](http://www.cacti.co.nz/images/library-d-dioscorea-elephantipes-dioscorea-elephantipes-16512-d.jpg) And of course a much older example of Monadenium montanum var. rubellum ![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2d/be/04/2dbe049fd52b9e783e8f4997e2bbe649.jpg)
Those are just some of the interesting forms that succulents can take. Also I should note that most cacti are also considered succulents, but not all succulents are cacti. Here are a few more random examples of fascinating species:
+ Show Spoiler [More pics] +Euphorbia platyclada, which basically looks like a dead shrub ![[image loading]](http://www.cacti.co.nz/images/library-e-euphorbia-platyclada-euphorbia-platyclada-upright-form-pic2.jpg) Astrophytum cv. Fukuryu Dinosaur ![[image loading]](http://www.llifle.com/Encyclopedia/CACTI/Family/Cactaceae/17189/photos/Astrophytum_cv._Fukuryu_Dinosaur_8202_m.jpg) Echinopsis aurea subs. shaferi f. monstruosa cristata hort. ![[image loading]](http://www.llifle.com/photos/Echinopsis_aurea_subs._shaferi_f._monstruosa_cristata_16546_l.jpg) Gymnocalycium ragonesei f. cristatum hort. ![[image loading]](http://www.llifle.com/photos/Gymnocalycium_ragonesei_f._cristatum_12987_l.jpg) Mammillaria crinita subs. painteri f. monstruosa hort. ![[image loading]](http://www.llifle.com/Encyclopedia/CACTI/Family/Cactaceae/11150/photos/Mammillaria_crinita_subs._painteri_f._monstruosa_12065_m.jpg) Othonna herrei Pillans ![[image loading]](http://www.llifle.com/photos/Othonna_herrei_25895_l.jpg) Cotyledon wallichii ![[image loading]](http://www.llifle.com/photos/Cotyledon_wallichii_8279_l.jpg) Delosperma tuberosum ![[image loading]](http://www.llifle.com/photos/Delosperma_tuberosum_19647_l.jpg) Monsonia multifida ![[image loading]](http://www.llifle.com/photos/Monsonia_multifida_25991_l.jpg) Dorstenia foetida ![[image loading]](http://www.llifle.com/photos/Dorstenia_sp._1555_l.jpg)
As you can see, succulents can take all sorts of weird shapes and sizes. I think one of the most fascinating things about them is how wildly different each species has adapted to very harsh climates with limited nutrients such as water and sunlight. The weirder it is, the more I probably want one.
Here are some of the species I currently have which I have pictures of:
Split rock plant or Pleiospilos nelii
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/Blog/DSC_0443.jpg)
Euphorbia cv. Cocklebur
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/Blog/DSC_0499.jpg)
Euphorbia ambovombensis
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/Blog/DSC_0513.jpg)
Some mystery Euphorbia, probably brachyphylla
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/Blog/DSC_0559.jpg)
Of all genera, my favorite is probably Euphorbia, since they are mostly caudiciforms with the most interesting shapes, and often very bonsai-like appearances. However, I was surprised to learn that Euphorbias actually have toxic sap. Like, actually poisonous. Some species can actually kill you if you ingest the sap, and at the very least it's an irritant when it makes contact with your skin. So yeah, gotta wear gloves when I prune them. Part of their charm, I guess.
From the pictures I showed earlier, I also have Pachypodium saundersii, Dorstenia foetida, Euphorbia platyclada and Astrophytum Fukuryu.
Aside from those, I also have two more: Euphorbia ritchiei and Alluaudia procera, respectively:
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Right now, I've already begun to take cuttings from my plants in order to try to propagate. I've made cuttings of my E. brachyphylla and M. montanum var. rubellum, and so far I've only succeeded rooting about half of them. So I kinda suck at it, but I'm sure I'll get better as I understand each plants' needs and requirements more. I've also bought some seeds and a seed box, so hopefully I find some success in germination once I start. Of course, it's going to take a few years before any of those seeds end up taking their more adult forms, so this will probably be a long-term hobby.
Well, at least I hope it will be. I really like plants and I feel like I've found something that I can do even with my busy schedule. Though I guess since I was able to write this blog I must not have been that busy. Actually I should probably get back to work.
Updates probably soonish?
 
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United States15275 Posts
Can you make a power rank comparing writers to your household plants? And soon?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I'm gonna do this after blizzcon like 100%
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Haha plant nerd, nice! This made me realise I want this as well. I used to be obsessed with cacti as a kid and I just kind of forgot about it as I ventured on to other things.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
You should get back into it, it's a really satisfying hobby especially when you start propagating
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There is only one plant I like, and I smoke it when I get a chance. Can you grow that plant lichter?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
i don't shoutout to myself, i'm not that vain
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lol. there is a need for shoutouts, I guess.
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I thought you said you like pants, and I thought, wow, finally, I can be like lichter too, but then ...
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
i also like pants
do you wanna talk about pants
i need a pair of grey denim and i am pussyfooting on dark grey d01's because i dunno if it'll fit the rest of my wardrobe
backup plan is just buy our legacy again, though i've never actually tried on any of their denim. but the zero cut looks nice.
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I have a cactus. It could as well be plastic, because it looks exactly the same as it looked ten years ago ... or so I think but my wife tells me that it grew like twice as big. It's just changing so slowly that I do not recognize it.
The more fun things are those we grow from random seeds. My wife picked up some palm fruits somewhere, I think Tenerife, and after a couple of years she has a 2-meter high palm "tree" - well the stem is still much shorter, it's just the leaves that take an innordinate amount of space. We had to give to the faculty as we were moving and now it nicely decorates a staircase.
Then we bought some passionfruit - from just one fruit, dozens of seeds can be obtained, we planted them and a lot of them grew, so we got this wonderful green wall of stems crawling up anything they could find around the window. Provided some nice shade in summer, but then it was quite tough to get rid of it before moving 
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Yes I am pretty close to the vest with my plants as well. It is a hallmark of intelligence, like having a high brow. I do not have a clue what Lichter so open in this case. Do you water your cacti?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51451 Posts
So when we can't get hold of you licther your busy with your Bonsai plant like a Mr Miyagi? Good times
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Mute City2363 Posts
So this is why you left us :[
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Looks really cool. I like succulents, want to learn more about them - went to a fruit and veg faire a month or so ago and there was a pair of old guys selling cacti and succulents for 50p each (one of them wasn't you was it?).
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 26 2016 19:03 opisska wrote:I have a cactus. It could as well be plastic, because it looks exactly the same as it looked ten years ago ... or so I think but my wife tells me that it grew like twice as big. It's just changing so slowly that I do not recognize it. The more fun things are those we grow from random seeds. My wife picked up some palm fruits somewhere, I think Tenerife, and after a couple of years she has a 2-meter high palm "tree" - well the stem is still much shorter, it's just the leaves that take an innordinate amount of space. We had to give to the faculty as we were moving and now it nicely decorates a staircase. Then we bought some passionfruit - from just one fruit, dozens of seeds can be obtained, we planted them and a lot of them grew, so we got this wonderful green wall of stems crawling up anything they could find around the window. Provided some nice shade in summer, but then it was quite tough to get rid of it before moving
growing something from a seed is surprisingly satisfying. i've tried it with some crops before, though nothing serious. i think it's something everyone should try once in their life. just you, the earth, the sun, and water.
On October 26 2016 19:13 YokoKano wrote:
Yes I am pretty close to the vest with my plants as well. It is a hallmark of intelligence, like having a high brow. I do not have a clue what Lichter so open in this case. Do you water your cacti?
yes
On October 26 2016 19:13 Pandemona wrote:
So when we can't get hold of you licther your busy with your Bonsai plant like a Mr Miyagi? Good times
get off my lawn
On October 26 2016 19:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
So this is why you left us :[
i'm still always around i'm just too busy with other things :[
that looks amazing. one of the things i loved the most about my crabapple was the fact that the fruits were tiny because i never fertilized, so they looked like a believable size for a "tree" that size. fruiting bonsai—i've even seen mame bonsai with fruits—are really cool.
On October 26 2016 21:50 Deleuze wrote:
Looks really cool. I like succulents, want to learn more about them - went to a fruit and veg faire a month or so ago and there was a pair of old guys selling cacti and succulents for 50p each (one of them wasn't you was it?).
50p each sounds nice :[ the astrophytum fukuryu i got cost me like €50
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Austria24417 Posts
You continue to amaze me with your weirdness
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
do you want to know about my previous career as an art dealer
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Is it true you can lead a horticulture?
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On October 27 2016 09:50 lichter wrote:
do you want to know about my previous career as an art dealer
We all know it wasn't art that you dealt, come on now.
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United States15275 Posts
On October 27 2016 11:48 Jerubaal wrote:
Is it true you can lead a horticulture?
Yes, but she'll still be Julia Roberts at the end.
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Mute City2363 Posts
On October 27 2016 13:33 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2016 11:48 Jerubaal wrote:
Is it true you can lead a horticulture? Yes, but she'll still be Julia Roberts at the end.
just wow
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On October 27 2016 04:34 Olli wrote:
You continue to amaze me with your weirdness
I would TL+ this post if I had money. Lichter in a nutshell.
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I love my two coleus blumei. Bonsai too hip for me.
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I surprisingly found this incredibly interesting, I'll be looking for those updates!
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Japan11285 Posts
Weirdness? This is beauty (of nature.)
Anyway, I'm glad to someone else enjoying plants. I actually bookmarked this. Thanks!
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I have been interested in cacti and succulents for like 8 years now, they really are awesome aren't they. I'm also trying my hand at growing a few bonsai as well.
Sick blog.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 27 2016 13:24 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2016 09:50 lichter wrote:
do you want to know about my previous career as an art dealer We all know it wasn't art that you dealt, come on now.
i actually dealt in shin hanga woodblock prints, yoshida, hasui, koitsu, kasamatsu, etc
On October 28 2016 23:45 n3p wrote:
I surprisingly found this incredibly interesting, I'll be looking for those updates!
i'll probably update once i see my cuttings have rooted well (unless they don't and all die) or once i get the seeds assuming customs doesn't confiscate them
On October 29 2016 08:29 c3rberUs wrote:
Weirdness? This is beauty (of nature.)
Anyway, I'm glad to someone else enjoying plants. I actually bookmarked this. Thanks!
the more bizarre it is the more i want it
On October 29 2016 18:05 mGGrinehart wrote:
I have been interested in cacti and succulents for like 8 years now, they really are awesome aren't they. I'm also trying my hand at growing a few bonsai as well.
Sick blog.
what do you currently have?
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You like plants? Me too! They taste great!
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A post like this puts to shame most of the time people spend on here or with starcraft.
excellent stuff
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This blog post is one Internet gem I am happy I fell upon.
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I don't think I know anything about any of your mentioned plants. That said, a lot of my food eats plants, so I suppose I like them too. That or I like the things that eat them.
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Netherlands6181 Posts
The more I get to know you the weirder you get.
But in a good way. Like cool weird.
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I just yesterday ordered some seeds to grow this beaty
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black pearl chili
After moving to city, I've noticed the lack of nature and plants is depressing. At least for someone like me who has lived most of his life with access to forest from backyard.
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I used to have a cactus in my room. I thought it was one of the hardiest plants, and its a great fit for me because I'm kind of lazy when it comes to watering them. They have plenty of water in their stems I would always think! But then these little white balls appeared everywhere, it shrivelled up and died lol. Was kind of a sad day, I can't even take care of a cactus  .
Maybe I'll try again with a hardier cactus. Now that I think of it, it probably wasn't a real cactus. Surely my caretaking is better than being in a scorching desert, right???
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wow, no official gardening thread on TL; all them greenies lobbying for greener things in General and it's like nothing came out of it. so, if i may ...
i have some date palms + Show Spoiler +, some citrus trees + Show Spoiler + (small one is from an orange seed and the big ones are from lemon seeds), some failed citrus trees(but i have hopes for them) + Show Spoiler + , a failed attempt at imitating the sun + Show Spoiler + (i experimented with DIY growth lights) and citrus trees with flowers + Show Spoiler + after about 9 - 10 months of growth(which wasn't supposed to be possible), but there it is.
nine date palms in total and about two dozen of various citrus trees. also, i potted this spring some blueberries and sea buckthorn because they're actually native.
i too started looking at bonsai when i got into it but then i found out about the root cutting, the fertilizer usage, the wiring down and realized i can't do that to trees.
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