EPTAn Analysis of Potential Manila Invites - Page 2
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Yurie
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
On April 26 2016 07:16 Yurie wrote: For people saying TI5 was a long time ago, it is less than a year. Reigning champion often gets an invite due to crowd considerations. They know who they are and they can likely do it again. TI5 isn't the same when major patches change the game. I also disagree with having a major patch right before the qualifiers. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
i mean having the patch right now is more reasonable than implementing during the off-season right before esl manila. reasoning is that teams spent the majority of that time scrimming and preparing in that patch for this essential tournament. it decides invites for the upcoming major. it's widely understood that the patch is hitting before the manila major and instead of releasing it any closer to the major, they do it as quickly as possible. this really only effects teams going through the quals for said major and is in a way endearing because everyone is on even footing and adaptation factors in greatly. do we have proven teams as invitees fight other teams who are looking to fix their previous holes? or do we have those teams match up against teams in similar situations who look quite strong in the new patch for having placed highest in those closely contested quals.? if games are more close because strategy isn't quite established yet, then you'll still see the teams with better strategy and execution come out on top whereas before in the qualifiers we would see the already-strong teams sweep quals. (no contest on col. destroying NA for example). it's both fair and unfair. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
Shoutout to the fans of the Phillipines, you guys made me feel better when I was down :D. we'll grab your ass anytime ee! | ||
TheEmulator
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Though I can still see Valve not inviting Fnatic even though they deserve it. Because of how there's literally no good 3rd SEA team, they are better off letting Fnatic grabbing the qualifier spot and give that slot to another region (and no, not Alliance). Inviting teams based on achievements past a year and more defeats the purpose of the major system. You want consistency based on recent times and also reward upcoming teams. I remember watching GSL SC2 during the early days. 1 of the complains was that once you got into code S, it was so hard to drop out, while upcoming players from code A had so much difficulty getting into code S. And those upcoming code A players smash everything once they get into code S. It's like the journey to code S was harder than topping the code S group. | ||
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goody153
44304 Posts
Idk about alliance they feel weird lately. Shoutout to the fans of the Phillipines, you guys made me feel better when I was down :D. Yeah man. I wish i met you during the event but glad to hear you being gucci man. | ||
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Denia1
148 Posts
My guess is: Secret, EG, Liquid, MVP, Fnatic, OG, VG.R, Alliance One thing I am willing to bet on is that Complexity will get the short end of the stick, because swindle vocally complained about Shanghai Major and the way Valve handled the matchfixing incidents. It won't be the reason that's publicly stated or even the one they agree on in the company, but it will be on the back of their minds and fueling the emotion that will be motivating other arguments to not invite coL. | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On April 26 2016 21:45 Denia1 wrote: I think the chances that both VG.R and Wings get invited are pretty low. If they do, I will be extremely happy. My guess is: Secret, EG, Liquid, MVP, Fnatic, OG, VG.R, Alliance One thing I am willing to bet on is that Complexity will get the short end of the stick, because swindle vocally complained about Shanghai Major and the way Valve handled the matchfixing incidents. It won't be the reason that's publicly stated or even the one they agree on in the company, but it will be on the back of their minds and fueling the emotion that will be motivating other arguments to not invite coL. there's no way wings doesn't make it. They won the harder tourney and Valve wants Chinese teams. It's perfect lol | ||
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plutoazure
2 Posts
On April 26 2016 04:23 twfa wrote: You keep bringing up past achievements like how Newbee has 3 members of TI4 newbee or that OG won frankfurt, but all this does is it makes it harder for newer teams to get invited and the dota invite system becomes an old-boys club. Teams should be invited on how strong they are currently not their past achievements in TI. Why the fuck should it matter if a team has some TI winners when they are weak now and flopped at the most recent major (Newbee). How long are people going to use irrelevant past achievements (TI4 and TI5) as basis for invites now? The invites for this major can only be based on shanghai results and recent lan wins because there just isn't enough time or opportunity for teams to prove themselves between shanghai and when the invites come out. You can't keep using LAN results from months ago to keep inviting the same teams when there are teams who have had more recent and relevant results like col and fnatic or it just becomes an old-boy's club making it harder for new and emerging teams to move up. And also, let's not pretend that Alliance's 2 LAN wins were impressive at all. They essentially cheesed their way to a starladder win using a beyond broken chen and won a poorly organized WCA. Also, Valve has been using the same metric to invite teams for the past 2 majors. Frankfurt's direct 8 invites were essentially top 8 from Ti5 minues Vega and Shanghai was the same. Valve can't just change their invite metric for this major without any warning or communication. It would be very unfair to col and fnatic because they would be receiving differential treatment compared to the previous 5th/6th place winners of the previous majors. Valve needs to use the same metric for this major for the sake of continuity and fairness even though I am in complete agreement that the current invite system is flawed. I personally think only top 4 should receive direct invites and noone else and Valve needs to make a strong stance or just flat out say it with a new system like CSGO's instead of being so vague and keeping everyone in the dark and guessing. But it has to be the next set of majors where Valve communicates it beforehand or it just looks awful for them. Because it would seem like they intentionally changed their metric this time around just to fuck over col and fnatic. Newbee is the strongest Chinese team after the reborn of Chinese teams this year, with five strong players and a reasonable combination of the old and young. Recently, it is even hard for the other Chinese teams to win even a single game from Newbee. A lot of newbee fans (also including myself) do not want a direct invite but rather prefer fighting through the qualifiers. We are confident in our team and really want to watch them crushing the others and grabbing the position. I totally agree that the 5th/6th place can barely be counted as an achievement since people will only remember the champions (probably also the runner-ups and the third place winners, but simply as background). You know, it sometimes confuses me so much that people take these teams that never win a single tournament, as a strong team. I could understand that they are good teams, but they have never proved themselves. In this thinking, if you do not invite these that have already proved themselves, who can you invite? | ||
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goody153
44304 Posts
A lot of newbee fans (also including myself) do not want a direct invite but rather prefer fighting through the qualifiers. We are confident in our team and really want to watch them crushing the others and grabbing the position. well you got what you want lol (i'd rather if they were invited honestly) | ||
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turpentine
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plutoazure
2 Posts
On April 27 2016 15:43 goody153 wrote: well you got what you want lol (i'd rather if they were invited honestly) Yes, our team, the newbee, just finished a 15-0 series in the China qualifier and got our ticket to the Manila Major without losing a single game. This is the performance I have been waiting for. Wish they can go far enough | ||
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