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I normally don't get carried over with the stuff I read on internet, you just have to assume people are uninformed, ignorant and they have no idea whatsoever of what they are saying. Similar to dota2, you just have to mute the entire team and focus on your own game.
From the letting the steam off thread:
On November 17 2015 11:35 Deathstar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRHiH3ZyNv8
These "refugees" are protesting that their human rights are being violated because they are in France, and the police are preventing them from going to Britain.
What gets me are these refugees who somehow make it far north to countries like Germany and Sweden and demand high accommodations. Their objective is not security, but welfare. These parasites are not needed in western society. If they want to complain so much, show them a video of ISIS beheading their people. Make them understand that they should shut the fuck up and bow their head. You are alive thanks to pity and compassion.
This really threw me off so hard and I felt the urge to say what I had in mind and hence the blog.
You sir, just spat the most misleaded and uninformed bullshit I ever heard over the course of this entire refugee crisis.
1: That human rights constitution you speak of, did you know it states that any country is entitled to accommodate refugees, no matter what. That's the bottom line, no asterix'. They are refugees, they have a war going on in their home so they have to get the hell away, pure and simple. You or whatever county you are from, are not to decide if they should be allowed for entry or not, if you believe in such values that you state to be human rights.
2:They do not demand high accommodations or welfare, they demand to be treated as humans. Humans that have homes and jobs to feed their families. Can you constraint someone to stay in a refugee camp if they want to move on with their lives? Let me remind you again, they are humans. You know, people that eat, sleep and breathe like you and me. Is it too much to ask to do it like a normal person for rest of their lives, in proper homes and beds? Friendly reminder that these people had proper homes and proper beds where they came from but they are forced to flee.
3: + Show Spoiler +These parasites are not needed in western society.
4: In the end, you are either a spoiled kid or a patriotic nam' hero or whatever that doesn't comprehend the situation. + Show Spoiler +If they want to complain so much, show them a video of ISIS beheading their people. Make them understand that they should shut the fuck up and bow their head. You are alive thanks to pity and compassion.
5: I'm just sick of this racist shit I get everywhere, and most importantly from people who have no idea what they talk about. Have you been in one of those camps? I did. These are poor people who were subject to a change in their lives by no wrongdoing of their own (Small note that the western society you talk of so highly is the major cause of this "change" by arming ISIS, but hey who cares about that) and in need of help and hospitality. Have you seen any wrongdoing directly by them? Did they steal from you or something? I on my behalf haven't seen anything like that, nor heard from anyone I know, and mind you I'm from a city accommodating 1 million refugees.
I hereby hold you and everyone of your like to be responsible of all the hatred caused during this whole refugee situation. You are a racist and I urge you to put some empathy into the matter and rethink about everything you said because it is way out of line. Keep your thoughts and I call the everlasting karma upon you and your likes, until the end of all things.
Final words: On November 14 2015 08:16 KwarK wrote:
My point was that people are people everywhere. That was essentially what I was getting at. That the only real difference between a Syrian infant and a French infant is geography.
 
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On November 17 2015 23:05 Skynx wrote:2:They do not demand high accommodations or welfare, they demand to be treated as humans. Humans that have homes and jobs to feed their families. Can you constraint someone to stay in a refugee camp if they want to move on with their lives? Let me remind you again, they are humans. You know, people that eat, sleep and breathe like you and me. Is it too much to ask to do it like a normal person for rest of their lives, in proper homes and beds? Friendly reminder that these people had proper homes and proper beds where they came from but they are forced to flee. 3: + Show Spoiler +These parasites are not needed in western society. Hello? Let me gently remind you again, THEY ARE HUMANS. What makes you think you are any different to them? If you were born in Syria would you compare trying to move on with your life to being parasites on bunch of people on high horses? 4: In the end, you are either a spoiled kid or a patriotic nam' hero or whatever that doesn't comprehend the situation. + Show Spoiler +If they want to complain so much, show them a video of ISIS beheading their people. Make them understand that they should shut the fuck up and bow their head. You are alive thanks to pity and compassion. Really? What you're trying to say is "Oh we escaped from bunch of psychos, let's just shut up, eat our daily slice of bread, keep sleeping on the wet soil and be happy and thankful that this country accommodated us and no one is chopping our heads off." Bow their head yeah? Didn't knew you had your morning coffee with Mussolini and Hitler. 5: I'm just sick of this racist shit I get everywhere, and most importantly from people who have no idea what they talk about. Have you been in one of those camps? I did. These are poor people who were subject to a change in their lives by no wrongdoing of their own (Small note that the western society you talk of so highly is the major cause of this "change" by arming ISIS, but hey who cares about that) and in need of help and hospitality. Have you seen any wrongdoing directly by them? Did they steal from you or something? I on my behalf haven't seen anything like that, nor heard from anyone I know, and mind you I'm from a city accommodating 1 million refugees.
Not to defend him or anything:
To 2. They actually did. Well i don't know what qualifies as high but...
To 5. Yes they did steal, too. Not all of them of course, but some. Which seems pretty normal to me and i would maybe do it too, in their position. They don't do it to harm anyone, they just want to surive.
Though i've heard stories where some of them hid near an ATM and ganged up on ppl to give them the money they've just withdrawn. Dunno the truth of it
And some of some are quite aggressive, towards each other and towards natives and we have "just" have a few thousands here where i live, can't imagine how it is in big cities.
Edit: 4/5
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As a geographer, I love your final words. I'm optimistic that with ever so increasing digitalization the barriers between human groups will slowly and steadily wither out
Be open minded and travel I would say.
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Wow. Losing Respect for Deathstar in 1 post.
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Nice blog, expressed some of the feelings I've had when overhearing other people say similar things.
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Only thing is, if they are choosing a country where they have a bigger chance of financial success, they are not really refugees. What about every other person who wants to go work in England? Should the people coming from Syria be privileged in that regard so they can choose to go wherever they want to go because their country is in war, where the countries of other migrants are not so they are prone to usuall procedures regarding immigration? Shouldn't we then apply the same rules to all people?
I don't really have a stance on this crisis tho, it is not that black and white. We should of course help them, but not on the expense of our own security and on equall grounds to all migrants.
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I thought this was going to be about Star Wars.
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I find your reliance on some notion of "human rights" a little concerning. Most theories of human rights are mostly negative for a reason; you are promoting a positive view that seems impractical. When you get down to it, what you are saying, in the end, is that anybody should be able to move anywhere they want, the current inhabitants can't stop them and, by the way, will be expected to support them. This seems impractical because 1) The burden, in the abstract at least, seems unfair and implausible 2) it seems like this is a pretty one sided exchange in most situations and 3) this is not really helpful in terms of making conflict regions safer and keeping non-conflict regions conflict free.
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I agree with your points, and am happy you posted them, but this will get ugly when deathstar and the mods come into this...
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TLADT24920 Posts
Not sure how long this will be up for but I agree 100%. Good points overall. Most people who are criticizing the refugees don't realize just the kind of situation they were put into and which is causing their migration. It's always easy to criticize and move on than thinking about a situation from someone else's perspective.
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I thought this blog was about the Star wars Deathstar.
Darth Vader demands you talk about the force!
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this thread will separate the LR regulars from the newbs
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Papua New Guinea1054 Posts
Your post is invalid, he said "refugees'. While there are true refugees among people fleeying the country there is a big bunch of people that just leave to live of welfare in other countries. Whish would indeed be a parasitic relationship between the country/taxpayers and the "refugees" that have absolutely no willingness to work whatsoever and demand more money and more accomodations from the country that graciously let them in.
Take Ukraine for example, there was a huge influx of refugees going west when the war begun, do you see anyone making a fuss about them? No. You know why? Because unlike "refugees" that Deathstar spoke off, they learn the language, find jobs and assimilate.
Now don't get me wrong, most of the refugees comming from war-driven countries like Syria aren't like that. But recent years have shown that there is also the other group which is a significant factor in the 'hate campaign' as you call it.
And I'm not gonna comment on stuff like 'west has armed ISIS'. For someone claiming everyone is uninformed, ignorant and have no idea you really do make shit up.
And before you say that I'm just another uninformed hatemonger I'll just say that I am volunteering in a local refugee camp everyweek. Take it however you wish.
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