My support MMR calibration story - Page 3

On September 30 2015 23:08 ahswtini wrote:
avoiding deaths as support is really important. you being a poverty support is quite different to you having a force staff or glimmer. big fights do not hinge on the cores, they depend on which side's supports can do that extra bit

On September 30 2015 02:24 Ler wrote:


First thing you need to understand: Calibration is not about winning your game. Its about the general impact you have compared to all players in a certain bracket which will then increase your hidden mmr.

An example:
So lets assume you play anti-mage and have 150 cs by minute 30 and 0 hero damage done because you were farming, but 1k tower damage because you were split pushing. Game ends around that mark because your team carried it anyway 4 vs 5.
=> Game won.
=> Game impact = literally zero .
=> Literally zero hidden MMR gained.
=> Next game will be most likely in the same bracket or a bit higher due to you winning.

Lets assume you played the anti-mage game with 300cs by minute 30, 10-0-5 stats, and 15k hero damage and the game ends around that mark but your team threw the game. The MM algorithm will still see that you performed stellar compared to all other players.
=> Game lost.
=> Game impact = Very high.
=> Enormous hidden MMR gained.
=> Next game will be in a much higher bracket compared to the previous one.

On October 02 2015 17:32 unsaeglich wrote:
A friend of me who is relatively new to dota done his rating configuration matches after 240 games and was ranked at 1,5k mmr. I am low 4k, and I think his rating is way too low. We play often together, so we probably match against ~3k mmr players, and often his support play as Omniknight, Pugna, or WD plays a major role in our victory, and I've never seen him feed.

I would agree that mmr calibration favors carry players.

Seeing your items and your farm, I have serious doubts that you secure the carryplayers farm and support them enough with the items you can get. Bloodstone and Octarinecore on support WW ? I'ld straight up report you. if you could afford Oct you should get Hex, If you can get Bloodstone, a Forcestaff, Euls, Meka, Glimmer, Shiva, hell even the upp'ed Vanguard, Vlads (pls that item owns), Ghostzepter.. basicly everything is more useful.

On October 02 2015 23:52 disciple wrote:


The logic behind the bloodstone is that I go arcanes soul ring blink every game, this is my toolset so Im self sustainable and can initiate with my ulti. Then the progression to bloodstone is what 3k? Its already luxury item by then and I do get it very late so even if got the cheap utility items its still gonna be relatively late. Maybe the problem is not the bloodstone cause I never focus on getting it but getting blink I dont know, I really like it on ww cause her ulti wrecks and positioning is very important with that hero overall. Also I think I lost only one of my calibration games going bloodstone. Here's the list of my pre calibration games with WW:

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/131465760/matches?date=&hero=winter-wyvern&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=normal_matchmaking&game_mode=all_pick&region=&faction=&duration=&enjoyment=any&timezone=Europe/Berlin

On October 03 2015 05:38 TomatoBisque wrote:
The cheap utility items are way more useful than a bloodstone even 60 minutes into the game.

You don't need that kind of mana regen as a WW and the extra health is actually gonna be less useful as the game goes on because enemy damage goes up. I would also say that even Soul Ring + Arcane is more than you need.

For 3k gold you could have a force staff/glimmer to save people being initiated on, a ghost scepter to protect yourself from their carry, etc. If you didn't buy Soul Ring every game you could have gotten 2 of them. I also don't think Blink is necessary on this hero, her spells are all quite long range (burn gives 1000 range, splinter blast is 1200, embrace is 1000, ulti is 800), you're dropping 2250g on an item that might help you get a better ult. Force Staff does the same thing (as does Glimmer in a way since you can use it on yourself to get closer to the frontlines) and is far more flexible.

On October 10 2015 08:26 Det1 wrote:
3k supports are for the most part godawful

here's how you evaluate supports at low levels:

how many lanes can you win for your team?

If your answer is less than two, then you belong at 2999 mmr and below.

On October 10 2015 15:56 evilfatsh1t wrote:

wtf?
this is the most nonsense evaluation of a support player ive ever seen. youre probably a 3100mmr player who rages at all his supports because "they dont win 2 of your lanes" for you
honestly i dont how youre expecting a support wisp or a support sand king to consistently win 2 lanes for you every game

On September 29 2015 02:44 disciple wrote:
So I've finally decided to man up and calibrate my mmr. I play support exclusively and I feel confidant that with correct play supports can tip the scales of battle to victory. For my calibration games I decided to play WW, she has a high impact ultimate a heal and a flash farm ability. My winrate this month on the hero was about 70% over 50 games. In my unranked I constantly get matched with 4k to 5k players and from 100 odd matches in the past month 80 were in the very high skill bracket and 20 in the high skill bracket. So long story short my calibration matches were all around 3.1k, half of them in the normal skill bracket. A bracket I had no matches in for more than a year. Naturally I went 5-5 and my calibration was about 3100. The games were absolutely terrible, but I think I tried my hardest in all of them, you can see the dotabuff info here:

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/131465760/matches

Now, this ain't gonna be one of the salty blogs 'whys my MMR so low, I don't belong there' cause obviously with my hero picks and play I wasn't able to influence the game positively. Whatever metrics like support play, team healing, KDA or even hero pick didn't really matter. What I'm seriously surprised is why the game decided to throw me in that skill bracket for all my games, considering my unranked matches have been consistently in higher brackets. One of the reasons that came to mind is party MMR which I calibrated pretty much one game a month starting a year ago. Even so all my calibration games were in the high bracket so I dont know. Anyone else had experience with calibrating only playing support? I just feel that nothing I did could've changed the games aside from playing cores and probably raping shit.

So tl;dr: I played support WW, went 5-5, half my games were in a bracket I had no matches in for more than a year. The game didn't really gave me a 'chance' and all players in my matches were in the same bracket.

On October 10 2015 15:56 evilfatsh1t wrote:

wtf?
this is the most nonsense evaluation of a support player ive ever seen. youre probably a 3100mmr player who rages at all his supports because "they dont win 2 of your lanes" for you
honestly i dont how youre expecting a support wisp or a support sand king to consistently win 2 lanes for you every game