I can't fucking stand rap. I enjoy or can at least tolerate most other genres, but not this one.
I normally wouldn't complain despite the fact I'm a classically trained musician, but fuck a lot of my friends blast that shit during a sesh and I would try my best to somehow enjoy the music, but end up leaving after 30 minutes.
Musically, the genre is objectively and absolutely shit. Very little to no polyphony, often out of tune, so simplistic with a beat / 1-2 instruments on a repetitive melody, and "voice" aka speaking.
Lyrics wise, well... lol. No need to even say anything here, 95% of the genre speaks for itself. Bitches, booze, weed, crime, etc. etc. Like really? I can sort of understand the appeal once in a while when you're fucked on coke or something and feel like you can do anything, but blasting this shit 24/7? Fuck, I wish some of my friends would grow the fuck up.
I try so hard not to be elitist because music is unarguably subjective, but fuck this shitty genre. Not saying 100% of the genre is complete shit, but when 95%+ of it is, RAP "artists" Y'ALL CAN GO FUCK YOURSELF.
RETARDS ATTEMPTING POETRY indeed. END RANT.
Like, you know a genre is complete fucking garbage when you can't even stand it baked outa of your mind at a 8-9/10.
Edit: One of the few gems of rap that I genuinely enjoyed for a few listenings.
Cool, everyone is entitled to an opinion and yours is as valid as mine or anyone else's. But if you listen to the Kendrick Lamar album and tell me it's not good music I'm accusing you of bad taste right here.
Edit: and I also want to point out that 80% of music being garbage is pretty much true in any genre. I can't stand fucking Mozart, David Guetta or Cradle of Filth, but that doesn't mean classical, dance and metal music are bad in general.
[Most people are gonna respond to this with a similar angle. I just felt like writing about this topic since I see it a lot.]
A lot of people judge the genre by its surface. Now, this isn't new- rap is a genre where mainstream and underground is completely different, so it's natural that some people only look at mainstream and try to judge the entire genre on that pedestal.
Now the instrumental backing of most mainstream rap tracks isn't meant to be complicated. It's meant to incite an emotion- which makes it ideal for parties. For examples of this, you can turn to pretty much any 90s big west coast album - or more recently, you could turn to something like If You're Reading This It's Too Late. Now, does this make these albums objectively amazing? No. But it gives a purpose for them. If you're not so into this type of party music, that's perfectly fine. A lot of people are, and a lot of people aren't.
In terms of mainstream lyrics.. Yeah. They have a pretty weird and complicated history, but this doesn't mean you should color an entire genre by them. Or even the popular parts of a genre. The most popular rap album of 2014 wasn't about doing drugs or crime in a glorifying sense at all. Sure, it mentioned them, but it mentioned them in the same breath as a lot of other topics. For many people who are into rap, drugs and crime are simply a reality. If not for them, for people close to them. That's why you see it as a very popular topic. They're a huge part of the lives of many people in the lower class of america right now. Does this mean everything's positive? No. There's a lot of rap that is glorifying this lifestyle, and I think that type of rap is fine to condemn. But don't burn a genre based on its weakest artists.
I think the problems rap faces right now are the same problems more or less every genre faces. Look at Country, for example. A lot of bro-country out there is largely the same as rap - except softer, admittedly - and it's the vast majority of popular country music. Does this mean country is a shit genre and 99% of country is useless? No. It means that the sub-genre that gets popularity doesn't fit a critic's type of quality.
The only genres that aren't tainted at least somewhat by this simply aren't popular. Say, classical. Or rock [but remember the 2000s? Yeah, that's like if you used the popular music during the 2000s to say all rock sucks].
Aside from the previously mentioned Forest Hill Drive, there's also To Pimp A Butterfly and I Don't Like Shit, I Don't Go Outside that have gotten pretty good (or even amazing) sales within the past few months are talking about positive messages. These are mainstream albums by mainstream artists.
Then, you have the underground scene. Of course, you mention that not all rap is terrible - I presume this is talking about the underground scene. Just for the sake of it, here's a [pathetically tiny relative to reality] list of people in the underground scene who are either incredibly varied instrumentally or incredibly creative and talented lyrically.
- Mick Jenkins [#montreal, although he's not from here] - Atmosphere [Instrumentally as well.] - Aesop Rock [Seriously.] - Sage Francis - El-P [<3]
And here's some mainstream artists - who may not be active anymore - who are incredibly talented with good messages and genuinely try to advance society.
- Mos Def & Talib Kweli [check out Black Star] - Lupe Fiasco [check out Tetsuo & Youth.] - J. Cole [Forest Hill Drive] - Childish Gambino [instrumentally as well. check out beyond the internet.] - OutKast [more on the instrumental side - their subject matter, while being amazing, isn't too different from the regular. Just much, much more high quality]
This isn't to say you aren't allowed to have an opinion, and I don't hold anything against you. I'm just trying to make a case for why one would enjoy rap, and why the flaws you mentioned don't prevent me from liking it.
I don't mean anything but love. Have a great day <3.
Aesop Rock is a genius Soularion His lyrics are amazing!
I love Sage Francis too. Generally i'm of the opinion that hip hop is generally pretty rubbish but there are some outstanding artists hidden amongst the jungle of nonsense. BTW i don't think its a coincidence that alot of the rappers I like are white. I'm not sure if its a cultural empathy type of thing or what but its definitely noticeable. I had absolutely no interest in hip hop at all until I saw Atmosphere live in the UK last year. It was a fairly small venue with probably 300 people in it and they fucking rocked the place. This rapper has awesome skills and plays with some interesting timings/time signatures:
I suggest anything from El-P, he is known for his futuristic sounds. In particular the albums "Funcrusher Plus" (Company Flow), " Fantastic Damage" and "Cold Vein" (Cannibal Ox). These are probably the best HipHop albums of all time.
Awesome, rant into genuine discovery. Will try to give the suggestions in this thread a good listen.
I pretty much only listen to electro (psytrance, some house, basically the 5% good stuff before the genre went mainstream), classical and metal with a few sparse songs from other genres.
I guess despite trying hard not to be elitist, I personally just value the complexity of music, and more importantly the training required to produce/appreciate such music, much more than the average person. A decent parallel can be drawn between SC2 and minecraft I suppose, each game has its respective fanbase but most of TL would prefer a good challenging game of SC2 as opposed to mindlessly mining ore. Both games undoubtedly offer tons of entertainment value, but one offers a lot more replayability than the other (barring some huge updates in minecraft).
In this one regard, I truly believe my aforementioned music genres are "better" in terms of their value in "re-listenability". I could appreciate a catch melody even though I might find the song to be terrible overall, but 1-2 listenings of your average hip-hop song is more than enough for me without an extensive break. In comparison, for more complex music, especially those that offer a ton of polyphony, I'm getting something different out of it almost every time I put on my headphones. The simplistic "emotional appeal" of popular music, IMO gets tiresome pretty fast even for your average listener.
The first time that my auditory processing was completely overloaded by a polyphonic and harmonically genius masterpiece, I was in heaven. I genuinely hope more people could share my euphoria with a bit of effort and basic training in music.
Edit: would be VERY interested in a correlational study that looks into basic music training (i'm talking about just being able to read sheet music and maybe mess around with entry-level pieces on an instrument) in relation to genres preferred. Obviously there are tons of other factors at play (culture, socio-economic status, etc.), but I'm willing to bet that more people would forgo your typical popular music for more complex ones with just a bit of training. It's a matter of "cheap pleasure" vs. a higher appreciation of the arts, and the 2 main reasons that most people are content with popular music is due to the huge obstacle in acquiring a music education, and the endless waves of new popular music that comes out daily in order to continuing fueling the instant auditory pleasure.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, there just might be some objectivity in what constitutes "good music", and in the end it's all about simply deriving pleasure vs. being overwhelmed by waves pure auditory ecstasy.
TL;DR: all my arguments are based around the complexity of music. More complex music offers a higher level of enjoyment with some effort and training, and also provides a lot more "re-listenability"
I guess what I'm trying to say is, there just might be some objectivity in what constitutes "good music", and in the end it's all about simply deriving pleasure vs. being overwhelmed by waves pure auditory ecstasy.
"Being overhwelmed by waves of pure auditory ecstasy" is simply another way of saying "deriving pleasure". Don't try to elevate your music to something that its not. And if you want to be overwhelmed by waves of pure sound, try Tim Hecker. or SunnO))).
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I guess despite trying hard not to be elitist, I personally just value the complexity of music, and more importantly the training required to produce/appreciate such music
The training required to produce music is entirely irrelevant. the aura of the work of art is dead, yo, didn't you read Walter Benjamin?
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In this one regard, I truly believe my aforementioned music genres are "better" in terms of their value in "re-listenability". I could appreciate a catch melody even though I might find the song to be terrible overall, but 1-2 listenings of your average hip-hop song is more than enough for me without an extensive break. In comparison, for more complex music, especially those that offer a ton of polyphony, I'm getting something different out of it almost every time I put on my headphones. The simplistic "emotional appeal" of popular music, IMO gets tiresome pretty fast even for your average listener.
Music always has "emotional appeal." That is in fact everything there is to music. If you don't listen to Bach for the emotion (of which there is plenty, which is why Bach is so good), there is something seriously wrong with you, classical training or not.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, there just might be some objectivity in what constitutes "good music", and in the end it's all about simply deriving pleasure vs. being overwhelmed by waves pure auditory ecstasy.
"Being overhwelmed by waves of pure auditory ecstasy" is simply another way of saying "deriving pleasure". Don't try to elevate your music to something that its not. And if you want to be overwhelmed by waves of pure sound, try Tim Hecker. or SunnO))).
I guess despite trying hard not to be elitist, I personally just value the complexity of music, and more importantly the training required to produce/appreciate such music
The training required to produce music is entirely irrelevant. the aura of the work of art is dead, yo, didn't you read Walter Benjamin?
In this one regard, I truly believe my aforementioned music genres are "better" in terms of their value in "re-listenability". I could appreciate a catch melody even though I might find the song to be terrible overall, but 1-2 listenings of your average hip-hop song is more than enough for me without an extensive break. In comparison, for more complex music, especially those that offer a ton of polyphony, I'm getting something different out of it almost every time I put on my headphones. The simplistic "emotional appeal" of popular music, IMO gets tiresome pretty fast even for your average listener.
Music always has "emotional appeal." That is in fact everything there is to music. If you don't listen to Bach for the emotion (of which there is plenty, which is why Bach is so good), there is something seriously wrong with you, classical training or not.
No, euphoria is a much stronger diction choice than pleasure.
Training required to produce music is VERY relevant, are you telling me you don't appreciate the skill level of good musicians?
Lastly, what I meant by "emotional appeal" was a direct reply to Soularion. Of course all music has emotional appeal, the difference lies with when you solely rely on eliciting an emotional response.
Anyway, way to ignore all my points and simply try to pick apart the weaker semantics in my post.
Sounds like this has turned into a popular music is cheap discussion. Which I don't necessarily disagree with. Why would you pull rap into that though? To me these are two entirely different subjects. Yes, rap has cheap popular music, but so does every other genre.
Rap music offers the same diversity as other genres do. There are great lyricists (the early Nas is amazing!), great technicians like Daveed Diggs (clipping.), great storytellers (Kendrick Lamar is one of the later examples) and great entertainers (the early Snoop Dogg stuff sometimes is funny as hell, for example) The sexism presented in gangsta rap is only a small portion of the whole deal. Gangsta rap is a very specific sub genre of rap music, and for some reasons it became the most prominent one. (mostly due to correlations between capitalism, youth culture and the general glorification of ruthlessness and power in our society.)
There's no such thing as "better" music, there's only music you like and music you don't like. Of course, there are different styles of music with different levels of complexity. You have to think about it this way: Very complex music needs a very concentrated approach. You just can't listen to Bach without really LISTENING to it, if you don't it devolves into muzak. In my opinion, there is "head music" and "body music". Rap mostly is body music, as it is drawing its energy and general flow from rhythmic elements. But rap music can be very complex and challenging, too. Not on the melodic side, but rhythmically. It's more than just a guy talking over a beat.
You also forget that rap actually is only a part of the whole hiphop culture, which people always tend to neglect. Hiphop is much more than rap music. It's a way of living. While I don't consider myself a hiphopper, I respect the background and rich history of the sub culture. (Don't confuse mainstream rap bullshit like Pitbull or Lil'Jon with hiphop, please.)
Your whole approach is typical for someone who wants to distinguish himself by drawing arbitrary lines between "good" and "bad". Keep yourself out of the equation and listen to the music. Try to get behind the sounds and words. There's great music in every genre. And by saying that, I really mean EVERY genre. But this doesn't mean that you have to like every genre. And it also doesn't mean that the stuff you like is in some way worthier than the stuff other people like.
Popular music is music for the moment. It is meant to be simple and catchy. Sometimes, a nice little melody and a good beat are enough. I can't imagine myself listening to John Coltrane while working out.
On June 20 2015 18:51 EngrishTeacher wrote: Awesome, rant into genuine discovery. Will try to give the suggestions in this thread a good listen.
I pretty much only listen to electro (psytrance, some house, basically the 5% good stuff before the genre went mainstream), classical and metal with a few sparse songs from other genres.
I guess despite trying hard not to be elitist, I personally just value the complexity of music, and more importantly the training required to produce/appreciate such music, much more than the average person. A decent parallel can be drawn between SC2 and minecraft I suppose, each game has its respective fanbase but most of TL would prefer a good challenging game of SC2 as opposed to mindlessly mining ore. Both games undoubtedly offer tons of entertainment value, but one offers a lot more replayability than the other (barring some huge updates in minecraft).
In this one regard, I truly believe my aforementioned music genres are "better" in terms of their value in "re-listenability". I could appreciate a catch melody even though I might find the song to be terrible overall, but 1-2 listenings of your average hip-hop song is more than enough for me without an extensive break. In comparison, for more complex music, especially those that offer a ton of polyphony, I'm getting something different out of it almost every time I put on my headphones. The simplistic "emotional appeal" of popular music, IMO gets tiresome pretty fast even for your average listener.
The first time that my auditory processing was completely overloaded by a polyphonic and harmonically genius masterpiece, I was in heaven. I genuinely hope more people could share my euphoria with a bit of effort and basic training in music.
Edit: would be VERY interested in a correlational study that looks into basic music training (i'm talking about just being able to read sheet music and maybe mess around with entry-level pieces on an instrument) in relation to genres preferred. Obviously there are tons of other factors at play (culture, socio-economic status, etc.), but I'm willing to bet that more people would forgo your typical popular music for more complex ones with just a bit of training. It's a matter of "cheap pleasure" vs. a higher appreciation of the arts, and the 2 main reasons that most people are content with popular music is due to the huge obstacle in acquiring a music education, and the endless waves of new popular music that comes out daily in order to continuing fueling the instant auditory pleasure.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, there just might be some objectivity in what constitutes "good music", and in the end it's all about simply deriving pleasure vs. being overwhelmed by waves pure auditory ecstasy.
TL;DR: all my arguments are based around the complexity of music. More complex music offers a higher level of enjoyment with some effort and training, and also provides a lot more "re-listenability"
I get it, yo. While I don't necessarily agree personally with your points, I can see why someone would feel this way and I appreciate that you're willing to see my side of things. I'm not sure if you'll necessarily like everything I and others posted, but I hope you can find something you enjoy. When it's all over, music is just about personal enjoyment, so listen to what makes you feel good and be happy with that. Just because I really like rap doesn't mean everyone has to, or should have to.
No, euphoria is a much stronger diction choice than pleasure.
Training required to produce music is VERY relevant, are you telling me you don't appreciate the skill level of good musicians?
Lastly, what I meant by "emotional appeal" was a direct reply to Soularion. Of course all music has emotional appeal, the difference lies with when you solely rely on eliciting an emotional response.
Anyway, way to ignore all my points and simply try to pick apart the weaker semantics in my post.
My friend, this has nothing to do with the "weaker semantics" in your post. I'm saying that you fundamentally misunderstand how to appreciate music. Consuming art is about forgetting the artist, not about revelling in his skill. The Typewriter monkeys, the discovery of the unconscious let alone the fact that "people" are a fiction (that would be Nietzsche or Deleuze/DeLanda), Barthes' death of the author... There's a million ways to convincingly argue that what the creator/author/artist does and thinks and is capable of is entirely unimportant. In other words, your classical training actually impedes you from enjoying music.
Very complex music needs a very concentrated approach. You just can't listen to Bach without really LISTENING to it, if you don't it devolves into muzak. In my opinion, there is "head music" and "body music"."
When I listen to Christ lag in Todesbanden or whatever I don't listen to that in any way differently than I do to any other music. The way to enjoy it is to feel it, not to count the complex patterns. The complexity of the music is a TOOL used to express emotions. Mos Def and Kendrick Lamar want to express different emotions for which different tools are required. If OP cannot enjoy these artists it is because he is unable to feel these emotions. Which is his problem, not Kendrick Lamar's.
And to whoever just mentioned E-Musik and U-Musik: Please stop. It is a retarded concept.
When I listen to Christ lag in Todesbanden or whatever I don't listen to that in any way differently than I do to any other music. The way to enjoy it is to feel it, not to count the complex patterns. The complexity of the music is a TOOL used to express emotions. Mos Def and Kendrick Lamar want to express different emotions for which different tools are required. If OP cannot enjoy these artists it is because he is unable to feel these emotions. Which is his problem, not Kendrick Lamar's.
Agreed. Listening to music is a subjective experience. Normally, I hate it when there's music in the background. When I'm listening to music, I need to focus on it. That doesn't mean that I'm trying to decipher the harmonic progressions or other theoretical stuff. It's more about being receptive and open-minded, yet concentrated. I'm like a sponge.
The reason that I don't like rap, (even the serious underground rap, not just the mainstream garbage) is that I like music, not poetry. I do not understand poetry., but musical patterns and romantic themes. Vocals are just an other instrument like any other, a part of the symphony.
However, just because I fail to appreciate poetry, doesn't mean that it's not good. But poetically speaking, most rap is, as was pointed out earlier, retards attempting poetry. It's terrible. There's probably some rap that isn't shit, but I haven't heard it yet. This may be because I've heard the rap equivalent of shitty mallcore.
The way to enjoy it is to feel it, not to count the complex patterns. The complexity of the music is a TOOL used to express emotions. Mos Def and Kendrick Lamar want to express different emotions for which different tools are required. If OP cannot enjoy these artists it is because he is unable to feel these emotions. Which is his problem, not Kendrick Lamar's.
I enjoy the emotional themes of music, but also the structural aspect. Not just as a tool to convey emotions, but for its own sake. And like you were saying, if you can't appreciate beautiful structures, then that's your problem, not the composer's.
Furthermore, not feeling the intended emotion from a piece of music doesn't mean that one is incapable of feeling that emotion. And, not being able to appreciate a piece of music does not mean that the subject doesn't feel the emotion. It could mean that he doesn't find it appealing.
I am by the belief that there are gems in every genre, and rap has Public Enemy, so ^^ Although that doesn't stop rap from being 90%+ shit :/
Edit: 90% is probably kinda harsh, it's mostly radio stations fault for playing Nicki Minaj and similar abominations of music, I bet the underground rap scene, or just less popular rap in general, has alot more to offer then the commercial rap that you hear everyday
There are a few good ones but to me the genre has been completely ruined by nigga bitch mistreat the women and do violence because tough childhood bitch nigga and also get some pussy on the side.
Ignoring the lyrics though I find most of it to be rather unpleasant to the ears. Anyway please buy my album. And I apologize if my understanding of the genre is limited, I can only base my opinion on the stuff that I'm exposed.
You shouldn't generalize the entire genre just because your friends listen to shitty music. "Rap" isn't even one genre or subculture. This blog is the equivalent of declaring that "rock," and with it metal, classical, grunge, etc, is complete shit because their friends won't stop listening to Creed.
I think to appreciate rap you have to be sensible to rhythm over melody. As others have said, there is artistic rap and then there is pure commercial garbage. It's much like country music, which is so reviled even though a lot of the old stuff is really good.
On June 20 2015 18:51 EngrishTeacher wrote: TL;DR: all my arguments are based around the complexity of music. More complex music offers a higher level of enjoyment with some effort and training, and also provides a lot more "re-listenability"
I tentatively agree. I'm musically illiterate, but I've spent some time with poetry and the idea of "re-listenability", or re-readability, certainly resonates.
A lot of people are dog-piling on how trite rap lyrics are. I agree, but I would be quick to also point out that the same is true, in general, of rock, pop, metal, and all the other popular music genres today; they clearly don't contain the complexity, nuance, or depth of great poems. That said, lyrics don't need to be great in order to be good - the production of songs today underlies the cultural role they play. The bad news is that the music is generally disposable - listen a couple times and then move on. The good news is there's always something new.
To get people to enjoy the arts, the key is to get them engaged young - at least according to studies done in Canada and America. People never exposed to an art form at a young age are very, very unlikely to appreciate it when they are older. So, if you want more interest in classical music, fund arts programs in schools.
I pretty much only listen to electro (psytrance, some house, basically the 5% good stuff before the genre went mainstream), classical and metal with a few sparse songs from other genres.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, there just might be some objectivity in what constitutes "good music", and in the end it's all about simply deriving pleasure vs. being overwhelmed by waves pure auditory ecstasy.
"Being overhwelmed by waves of pure auditory ecstasy" is simply another way of saying "deriving pleasure". Don't try to elevate your music to something that its not. And if you want to be overwhelmed by waves of pure sound, try Tim Hecker. or SunnO))).
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I guess despite trying hard not to be elitist, I personally just value the complexity of music, and more importantly the training required to produce/appreciate such music
The training required to produce music is entirely irrelevant. the aura of the work of art is dead, yo, didn't you read Walter Benjamin?
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In this one regard, I truly believe my aforementioned music genres are "better" in terms of their value in "re-listenability". I could appreciate a catch melody even though I might find the song to be terrible overall, but 1-2 listenings of your average hip-hop song is more than enough for me without an extensive break. In comparison, for more complex music, especially those that offer a ton of polyphony, I'm getting something different out of it almost every time I put on my headphones. The simplistic "emotional appeal" of popular music, IMO gets tiresome pretty fast even for your average listener.
Music always has "emotional appeal." That is in fact everything there is to music. If you don't listen to Bach for the emotion (of which there is plenty, which is why Bach is so good), there is something seriously wrong with you, classical training or not.
No, euphoria is a much stronger diction choice than pleasure.
Training required to produce music is VERY relevant, are you telling me you don't appreciate the skill level of good musicians?
Lastly, what I meant by "emotional appeal" was a direct reply to Soularion. Of course all music has emotional appeal, the difference lies with when you solely rely on eliciting an emotional response.
Anyway, way to ignore all my points and simply try to pick apart the weaker semantics in my post.
Let me start by saying that I agree with you, the technical difference between a classical cellist and even a great hip hop artist is still a great difference in virtuosity (imo). But I also think, you and I may not be giving the hip hop master nearly enough credit.
As far as virtuosity goes, its not really that appreciated in general by the population. There is much more support for the emotional appeal of music. Clearly people vote with their money and attention, and that is way rap and a lot of pop country/other music is at the top of the charts. Look at jazz music, it had its time and now it has past popular attention. I think its arguable jazz produced some of the greatest musicians of all time. Definitely on par technically with any classical artist. You can't evenly compare the two, but the raw understanding of music in both genres is deep. Like a language you cannot simply just "speak" it, you must learn and practice it to say something intelligent.
Rap music, hip hop, whatever you want to call it, is the product of a subculture. This culture has been extremely repressed in many ways, especially in the realm of socioeconomics. Most people in rap don't care about the violin because, who the fuck has 10,000 dollars to spend on an instrument. For that matter, in that same culture who has 40 dollars a week to pay for 1 hour with a teacher? How many teachers did have you had spoon feeding you lifetimes of study from great musicians so you could avoid many of the pitfalls of learning people experienced prior to you during their learning process?
In short, if you have no money, no training, and no cello what is the real statical percentage that you become the next yoyo ma (I think it's probably < .01). You see where I'm going with this? I could say a lot more, but I'm not that interested in trying to prove a point. Just try to have more of an open mind.
Check out "Resurrection" by Common Sense, specifically the song "I used to love her" (who had to change his name to "Common" cause someone else had that name before him). This song addresses your criticisms about hip hop, from the mouth of an artist in the genre. More impressive he wrote it in 1994.
Try rapping yourself and actually making a GOOD recording that people want to listen to and is virtuoso level. Maybe you can get some insight into the depth of this form of art.
To start it let me say that I can read sheet music, learnt classical guitar for 7 years and I compose orchestral instrumental tracks and some electronic music. I completely understand where you're coming from if you've only been exposed to certain artists, because I don't enjoy many of them either.
You know that there can be a similar blog written about metal and electronic music right? Electronic "musicians " don't know how to play an instrument, they only press play. Metal "musicians" make a lot of noise, screaming and shouting isn't music but noise. Distorted guitar shredding is noise. Talking about sick things like death and Raping a limbless cadaver is NOT music. Etc.
On June 20 2015 20:13 helpman177 wrote:https://youtube.com/watch?v=ooOL4T-BAg0
Great video. There are already a lot of good suggestions here. You should try Eminem's Marshal Mathers LP and definitely the Eminem song featured in that video below, which happens to be one of my favorite rap songs:
Very important video to understand Eminem's lyrics.
Timestamped interview about the work that goes into being Eminem
Symphonic music is hard and complex but they don't use language (Opera aside, I haven't listened to much opera but the ones I've listened to and understood like Carmen are shallow anyway.). There is definitely a play of rhythm and synchopation involved in rap.
On June 20 2015 18:51 EngrishTeacher wrote: Edit: would be VERY interested in a correlational study that looks into basic music training (i'm talking about just being able to read sheet music and maybe mess around with entry-level pieces on an instrument) in relation to genres preferred. Obviously there are tons of other factors at play (culture, socio-economic status, etc.), but I'm willing to bet that more people would forgo your typical popular music for more complex ones with just a bit of training. It's a matter of "cheap pleasure" vs. a higher appreciation of the arts, and the 2 main reasons that most people are content with popular music is due to the huge obstacle in acquiring a music education, and the endless waves of new popular music that comes out daily in order to continuing fueling the instant auditory pleasure.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, there just might be some objectivity in what constitutes "good music", and in the end it's all about simply deriving pleasure vs. being overwhelmed by waves pure auditory ecstasy.
TL;DR: all my arguments are based around the complexity of music. More complex music offers a higher level of enjoyment with some effort and training, and also provides a lot more "re-listenability"
i have a friend who was a conductor for his school symphonic band, plays the trombone, knows every classical composer and doesn't listen to certain pieces because it's too popular or listen to Brahms because he thinks that Brahms is overrated etc etc
He loves the shittiest type of hip hop and rap that I don't like.
hahaha
PS: I used to look down on electronic music but it's actually UNIMAGINABLY complex. A classical composer would not be able to replicate a simple song like Animals. And definitely not scary monsters and nice sprites.
I dislike Trance. It's not my cup of tea. I don't think the genre itself is worthless, because apparently, a lot of people like it for some reason. I don't know why. However, something bothers me.
I pretty much only listen to electro (psytrance, some house, basically the 5% good stuff before the genre went mainstream), classical and metal with a few sparse songs from other genres.
Not sure where the "5%" comes from, but I'm sure you went through some huge sample size and came up with that figure after a long, exhaustive research project for your local university. I can draw some interesting parallels between your figure and the figures attributed to hip-hop music. Many urban music scholars have isolated "good" rap music and "shit" rap music into two, distinct groups, and the sample of "good" rap music is nearly identical in percentile points to the percentage of electro music that you yourself have found to be "good". How coincidental is that shit?
well it's pretty much been covered, but yeah, the debate over whether there's such a thing as objectively good music is completely pointless and asinine. even if you deftly and successfully manage to define a bunch of things you think are components of good/important/noble music (technical skill, complexity, etc.) at the end of your pompous bullshit you're still just saying "your enjoyment is worth less than mine because i'm thinking harder during mine" which, you know, makes you seem like an asshole who's trying to make people feel bad. also the mental gymnastics about "objectivity" in entertainment are lodged so firmly in your butthole that i can smell what you ate by reading your post
now that's not to say i don't understand the sentiment of detesting an entire genre and wanting to rant about what garbage it is. the way you feel about rap is the way i feel about dubstep, most types of metal and any variety of screamy/whiny rock made by misogynistic twentysomething white dudes. but there's really no escaping the fact that you're essentially trolling here - maybe trolling with a lowercase "t," but still absolutely trolling. if you weren't trying to draw attention and fire to your opinion you could have easily titled it something harmless like "my problems with rap/why i don't like rap/etc. etc." but hey, i'm not saying you're doing anything wrong. do whatever you want. it just makes you look a bit vitriolic and silly
logically speaking my issue with your rant is that a lot of your complaints against rap can be made just as effectively against massive swaths of music in other popular (and unpopular!) genres. are you going to tell me white trash rock music isn't full of rudimentary, repetitive songwriting and lyrics about women and drugs/alcohol? if you're going to argue that a "higher percentage" of rap has those characteristics i call bullshit unless you're going to show me some kind of actual study or analysis. otherwise you're just lazily repeating a stereotype, which is pretty poor stuff coming from such a self-styled musical aesthete
edit: also the dude trying to defend rap using eminem is making me fucking cringe lol. how long are people going to keep screaming about how lyrically/verbally proficient eminem is before they realize that they're just clinging out of nostalgia to shock horseshit they liked when they were 12? regardless of any debate about his lyrical chops his music and image and personality are so totally godawful and unredeemable
On June 21 2015 01:24 benhopper151 wrote: So elitist, its just sound.
Sound is overrated. I prefer feeling electromagnetic frequencies that can't be perceived by normal people (aka people with bad taste) such as radio waves and infrared. It's sad that nobody truly understands the cosmic world we live in simply because they can't get it. Though, nothing gets me more baked than Gamma rays.
See you have made the mistake of taking that bit of theory about music that you have learned and then overextending it to make sweeping critiques of music you know nothing about.
Due to this thread you have been educated a little bit. However I wager that you are going to make the exact same mistake again and go on making sweeping assumptive judgments with the only change being that you will now consider a few more qualities in rap music as having value than you did originally when you made this thread.
My advice? 1. Stop applying your value criteria to things that were never even intended to suit it as a way to mentally masturbate yourself into feeling superior. 2. Remember that the music education that you were given is not handed out to the mainstream, that you are lucky to have it, and that it is pathetic to use the knowledge given to you as an excuse to hate on people that don't have it and probably don't even care to have it. 3. Not everything is a dick measuring contest. Minecraft is a great game.
First of all, I'd like say happy birthday, from America to Turkey Before this thread goes dry like jerky, I wanna say it's really starting to irk me We have a fusion of delusional musing over music and confusing acute accusing Like it's a huge thing, when we should be defusing instead of arguing over who's losing This is an argument over the internet where too many minds choose to intersect Like let's see who can win the bet: who can go longer before they screw their intellect? Now the OP is like 'Woe is me', 'Rap is only retards attempting poetry' When you know that shit is fully loaded dissing a whole genre openly You say you like trance, while I like rap, so let's dance with verbosity Let's slam on our keyboards and see who comes out with most potent cogency Nah, let's skip that and talk facts, cut the fat, and if you wanna talk trash, cut the crap Let's get our asses down to brass tacks before we decide to fuck with rap You say only five percent of electro is good or something of the sorts I'd say the same; ninety-five percent of rappers are straight-up just dorks Talking about driving a porsche full of models into fucking five-star resorts Cuz some whack album went diamond and a dope album went quartz That's why Skrillex is wearing a Rolex and Iggy is wearing a Schwartz It's like letting the worst players on the team be up first to play sports Some people like visceral sound that just connects; love it, like it explicitly Some people like scriptural sound that is complex; some like the simplicity Now trance isn't my cup of tea, but I'd never say 'fuck you' to electronic sound With the avant-garde layers and bass that makes the tectonics pound But come on, learn to appreciate hip-hop music and give it affection I hope you can do so upon more research and further reflection cuz it's just culture; just another form of human expression You can see it too if you just readjust your sense of perception
To be honest the obvious synopsis of why he's donning and not quashing hopsin in his comments is probs cuz of hopsin's admonishment of pop genres.
From what people posted. he will focus, on the most clicked. "underground" poet spit. motion pic, over which. he can hold his glimpse, zone in then, wonder loud "holy shit, so this is, fully rich, must turn down, moby dick.
First of all, I'd like say happy birthday, from America to Turkey Before this thread goes dry like jerky, I wanna say it's really starting to irk me We have a fusion of delusional musing over music and confusing acute accusing Like it's a huge thing, when we should be defusing instead of arguing over who's losing This is an argument over the internet where too many minds choose to intersect Like let's see who can win the bet: who can go longer before they screw their intellect? Now the OP is like 'Woe is me', 'Rap is only retards attempting poetry' When you know that shit is fully loaded dissing a whole genre openly You say you like trance, while I like rap, so let's dance with verbosity Let's slam on our keyboards and see who comes out with most potent cogency Nah, let's skip that and talk facts, cut the fat, and if you wanna talk trash, cut the crap Let's get our asses down to brass tacks before we decide to fuck with rap You say only five percent of electro is good or something of the sorts I'd say the same; ninety-five percent of rappers are straight-up just dorks Talking about driving a porsche full of models into fucking five-star resorts Cuz some whack album went diamond and a dope album went quartz That's why Skrillex is wearing a Rolex and Iggy is wearing a Schwartz It's like letting the worst players on the team be up first to play sports Some people like visceral sound that just connects; love it, like it explicitly Some people like scriptural sound that is complex; some like the simplicity Now trance isn't my cup of tea, but I'd never say 'fuck you' to electronic sound With the avant-garde layers and bass that makes the tectonics pound But come on, learn to appreciate hip-hop music and give it affection I hope you can do so upon more research and further reflection cuz it's just culture; just another form of human expression You can see it too if you just readjust your sense of perception
Skynx summoned ninazerg from Turkey. It's super effective!
well it's pretty much been covered, but yeah, the debate over whether there's such a thing as objectively good music is completely pointless and asinine. even if you deftly and successfully manage to define a bunch of things you think are components of good/important/noble music (technical skill, complexity, etc.) at the end of your pompous bullshit you're still just saying "your enjoyment is worth less than mine because i'm thinking harder during mine" which, you know, makes you seem like an asshole who's trying to make people feel bad. also the mental gymnastics about "objectivity" in entertainment are lodged so firmly in your butthole that i can smell what you ate by reading your pos
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edit: also the dude trying to defend rap using eminem is making me fucking cringe lol. how long are people going to keep screaming about how lyrically/verbally proficient eminem is before they realize that they're just clinging out of nostalgia to shock horseshit they liked when they were 12? regardless of any debate about his lyrical chops his music and image and personality are so totally godawful and unredeemable
Haha haha haha
This is a thread about rap. This is not a ladies talk show about anybody's personality and image. Lyrical chops are exactly what we're interested in.
BTW you have just discredited yourself big time by writing a wall of fancy text only to show your true bigoted colours In the last paragraph.
Hilarious. The delusion is strong in this one.
I'm sure people who still enjoy Beethoven are clinging to nostalgia too right?
And I only understood Eminem a few years ago after relistening to mmlp. When I was 12 I didn't understand anything.
Also, I'm not sure about him but please keep your nose away from my butt hole
Uhm, my appreciation for Eminem and the MM LP only developed years AFTER I was a 12 year old kid bopping those tunes on the radio. It wasn't until I started really listening to the flow that I began to appreciate rap. I was indoctrinated into thinking much the same as you, that all rap is - is a bunch of black dudes spitting terrible rhymes about big booty bitches, cocaine, weed...we been mixin' these things since the 80s, yo (popped into my mind).
Seriously, if you're looking for laid back chill flows, give a listen to Mick Jenkins. Best rapper in the underground right now by a large margin. Listened to The Water[s] at least a hundred times and his flow still doesn't bore me. And his new single promises a sick new direction for his first album.
Rap is a form of expression. Its lens is primarily cultural. It's a beautiful thing. But it is heavily industrialized. And like any industry, it has formulas and stereotypes that develop over time and are nigh impossible to break. Because they become apart of the CULTURE of rap. But as a genre it has so much more to offer. And it can be anything. Anything! Go searching and I know you'll find rap that you can appreciate.
Since you seem so intent on criticizing the message of mainstream rap artists, then I encourage you to search for a rapper whose message you can appreciate. And as for the stereotypes of mainstream rap, (many different mainstreams as well, just as with any other genre) understand that they are apart of the culture. And appreciate them as that. Understand the evolution and how these things came to be over time. Look for the roots. And don't take it so seriously!
Remember that every rapper is different. Different message. Different flow. Different stylings, backtracks, vocalization, different USE of the stereotypes that exist as apart of the culture of this artform. And remember that yes, just as with any other genre of music, there are "overrated" rappers. Just how this shit goes.
well it's pretty much been covered, but yeah, the debate over whether there's such a thing as objectively good music is completely pointless and asinine. even if you deftly and successfully manage to define a bunch of things you think are components of good/important/noble music (technical skill, complexity, etc.) at the end of your pompous bullshit you're still just saying "your enjoyment is worth less than mine because i'm thinking harder during mine" which, you know, makes you seem like an asshole who's trying to make people feel bad. also the mental gymnastics about "objectivity" in entertainment are lodged so firmly in your butthole that i can smell what you ate by reading your pos
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edit: also the dude trying to defend rap using eminem is making me fucking cringe lol. how long are people going to keep screaming about how lyrically/verbally proficient eminem is before they realize that they're just clinging out of nostalgia to shock horseshit they liked when they were 12? regardless of any debate about his lyrical chops his music and image and personality are so totally godawful and unredeemable
Haha haha haha
This is a thread about rap. This is not a ladies talk show about anybody's personality and image. Lyrical chops are exactly what we're interested in.
BTW you have just discredited yourself big time by writing a wall of fancy text only to show your true bigoted colours In the last paragraph.
Hilarious. The delusion is strong in this one.
I'm sure people who still enjoy Beethoven are clinging to nostalgia too right?
And I only understood Eminem a few years ago after relistening to mmlp. When I was 12 I didn't understand anything.
Also, I'm not sure about him but please keep your nose away from my butt hole
um, lol, ok? you sure are angry that i think eminem is a piece of shit. i didn't realize that you were the curator of what can be discussed in this thread, nor that eminem's personality was irrelevant to his musical career. because it's not like his entire gimmick and the majority of his fame were based on his personality, right? it's not like he literally repeatedly made songs about his image and his persona to capitalize on it... but hey it's cute that someone who deifies eminem and compares him to beethoven also tries to insult me by comparing me to women and making vaguely homo-paranoid puns about your anus. who would have seen that coming?!
i'm not sure what "credit" you think i was looking for here as i'm a dude posting an opinion on a starcraft website, not a scholar or debate nerd. also before taking about delusion i would probably consider that you just called me a "bigot" as part of your defense... of fucking eminem... lol. not to mention that i didn't say anything that fits any definition of bigotry
difference between me and op is that i don't claim my opinion is more than an opinion. you can think i'm an idiot all you want i don't really care and i don't have some BS logic about how musical theory says i'm better than you
The only person in that catergory of music that has actually put his mental ability to the test is Chino XL. And thus he is the only artist in that catergory of music to belong to MENSA INT. Mensa
This is not saying much though...just saying it takes intellect to create good rhymes...and it takes an exceptionally high intellect to create amazing meaningful rhymes~~
"i can drown a drink of water and kill a dead tree... dont mess with Muhammad Ali" "tell all of the people out there who betting on Sonny that all of 'em are gonna lose their money"
On June 21 2015 14:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: "i can drown a drink of water and kill a dead tree... dont mess with Muhammad Ali" "tell all of the people out there who betting on Sonny that all of 'em are gonna lose their money"
Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali was a marketing genius.
No one can argue with that~ and no one can argue that Ali in his prime is the highest level of skill that pugilism has ever attained.
agreed I can only listen to real hiphop like hopsin or immortal technique's song dance with the devil it gives me chill every time I listen to it but man what a degenerate message the genre as a whole tends to contain always talking about bitches and drugs get a wholesome non-drug focused accessible message like a rock band or psytrance or something goodness
On June 21 2015 14:40 eieio wrote: agreed I can only listen to real hiphop like hopsin or immortal technique's song dance with the devil it gives me chill every time I listen to it but man what a degenerate message the genre as a whole tends to contain always talking about bitches and drugs get a wholesome non-drug focused accessible message like a rock band or psytrance or something goodness
On June 21 2015 14:40 eieio wrote: agreed I can only listen to real hiphop like hopsin or immortal technique's song dance with the devil it gives me chill every time I listen to it but man what a degenerate message the genre as a whole tends to contain always talking about bitches and drugs get a wholesome non-drug focused accessible message like a rock band or psytrance or something goodness
...non-drug focused ...psytrance ...ok I mean the 'wholesome' word had me thinking you were being tongue-in-cheek but come on, don't be so obvious.
just citing an adequately complex genre that the OP enjoys ("I pretty much only listen to electro (psytrance, some house, basically the 5% good stuff before the genre went mainstream), classical and metal with a few sparse songs from other genres."). If you aren't classically trained or at least have the ability to read sheet music it probably went over your head it's hard to appreciate the complexity of my post without some formal training (similar to how I couldn't play BW until my second year of jazz band)
People who don't know much of anything about Rap/Hip-hop (OP for example) don't even understand half the shit they hear anyway. Besides it being in what's almost a foreign language to many people, it's full of historical references and nuance that flies right past even some more informed heads.
People may think of Pun as fitting the common stereotype but his lyrics and flow were/are on another level.
Plus
At first I was angry at the OP but now I'm thankful for getting me to listen to some hotness.
well it's pretty much been covered, but yeah, the debate over whether there's such a thing as objectively good music is completely pointless and asinine. even if you deftly and successfully manage to define a bunch of things you think are components of good/important/noble music (technical skill, complexity, etc.) at the end of your pompous bullshit you're still just saying "your enjoyment is worth less than mine because i'm thinking harder during mine" which, you know, makes you seem like an asshole who's trying to make people feel bad. also the mental gymnastics about "objectivity" in entertainment are lodged so firmly in your butthole that i can smell what you ate by reading your pos
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edit: also the dude trying to defend rap using eminem is making me fucking cringe lol. how long are people going to keep screaming about how lyrically/verbally proficient eminem is before they realize that they're just clinging out of nostalgia to shock horseshit they liked when they were 12? regardless of any debate about his lyrical chops his music and image and personality are so totally godawful and unredeemable
Haha haha haha
This is a thread about rap. This is not a ladies talk show about anybody's personality and image. Lyrical chops are exactly what we're interested in.
BTW you have just discredited yourself big time by writing a wall of fancy text only to show your true bigoted colours In the last paragraph.
Hilarious. The delusion is strong in this one.
I'm sure people who still enjoy Beethoven are clinging to nostalgia too right?
And I only understood Eminem a few years ago after relistening to mmlp. When I was 12 I didn't understand anything.
Also, I'm not sure about him but please keep your nose away from my butt hole
um, lol, ok? you sure are angry that i think eminem is a piece of shit. i didn't realize that you were the curator of what can be discussed in this thread, nor that eminem's personality was irrelevant to his musical career. because it's not like his entire gimmick and the majority of his fame were based on his personality, right? it's not like he literally repeatedly made songs about his image and his persona to capitalize on it... but hey it's cute that someone who deifies eminem and compares him to beethoven also tries to insult me by comparing me to women and making vaguely homo-paranoid puns about your anus. who would have seen that coming?!
i'm not sure what "credit" you think i was looking for here as i'm a dude posting an opinion on a starcraft website, not a scholar or debate nerd. also before taking about delusion i would probably consider that you just called me a "bigot" as part of your defense... of fucking eminem... lol. not to mention that i didn't say anything that fits any definition of bigotry
difference between me and op is that i don't claim my opinion is more than an opinion. you can think i'm an idiot all you want i don't really care and i don't have some BS logic about how musical theory says i'm better than you
Hahaha I found you hilarious and delusional and you keep delivering. I guess I'll have to educate you since you are lost.
On June 21 2015 08:41 brickrd wrote: they're just clinging out of nostalgia to shock horseshit they liked when they were 12?
Nobody was comparing Eminem to Beethoven. It was to refute your nostalgia point. You can replace Beethoven with Jimi Hendrix, John Coltrane or the Beatles.
Of course. Everyone was talking about music and you come in talking about somebody's personality like it's the Daily Mail.
On June 21 2015 08:41 brickrd wrote:also the mental gymnastics about "objectivity" in entertainment are lodged so firmly in your butthole that i can smell what you ate
The anus thing was yours.
Nobody was defending Eminem. I was pointing out how ridiculous you were. A defense for Eminem would be like " his lyrics are vulgar but it is art because of he rhymes very well" or something like that.
Your reading comprehension is terrible. And your memory is too.
Bigot: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
You are completely lost. Your post was full of vulgarities - in comparison I had not once said anything negative to the OP although I disagreed with his attitude.
You made a long post about objectivity only to bash an artist later and you're completely unaware of your hypocrisy as shown above. That's why you're delusional.
Please just relax and you'll be able to think more clearly.
Also, OP is a more respectable person than you (and many others) give him credit for:
On June 20 2015 18:51 EngrishTeacher wrote: Awesome, rant into genuine discovery. Will try to give the suggestions in this thread a good listen.
On June 21 2015 16:37 JieXian wrote: Nobody was comparing Eminem to Beethoven. It was to refute your nostalgia point. You can replace Beethoven with Jimi Hendrix, John Coltrane or the Beatles.
i was comparing Eminem to Beethoven. don't speak for me.
I find it hard to compare Eminem's best stuff to most of the rap that becomes popular these days. Even I find "Lose yourself" to be excellent and I hate most things because I'm old and jaded.
Yeah most of the underground scene of the 90s has vanished unfortunately. But there is still some good stuff out there. Aside from To Pimp a Butterfly, these albums were pretty awesome from 2015:
First of all, I'd like say happy birthday, from America to Turkey Before this thread goes dry like jerky, I wanna say it's really starting to irk me We have a fusion of delusional musing over music and confusing acute accusing Like it's a huge thing, when we should be defusing instead of arguing over who's losing This is an argument over the internet where too many minds choose to intersect Like let's see who can win the bet: who can go longer before they screw their intellect? Now the OP is like 'Woe is me', 'Rap is only retards attempting poetry' When you know that shit is fully loaded dissing a whole genre openly You say you like trance, while I like rap, so let's dance with verbosity Let's slam on our keyboards and see who comes out with most potent cogency Nah, let's skip that and talk facts, cut the fat, and if you wanna talk trash, cut the crap Let's get our asses down to brass tacks before we decide to fuck with rap You say only five percent of electro is good or something of the sorts I'd say the same; ninety-five percent of rappers are straight-up just dorks Talking about driving a porsche full of models into fucking five-star resorts Cuz some whack album went diamond and a dope album went quartz That's why Skrillex is wearing a Rolex and Iggy is wearing a Schwartz It's like letting the worst players on the team be up first to play sports Some people like visceral sound that just connects; love it, like it explicitly Some people like scriptural sound that is complex; some like the simplicity Now trance isn't my cup of tea, but I'd never say 'fuck you' to electronic sound With the avant-garde layers and bass that makes the tectonics pound But come on, learn to appreciate hip-hop music and give it affection I hope you can do so upon more research and further reflection cuz it's just culture; just another form of human expression You can see it too if you just readjust your sense of perception
Agreed, I can't stand it either. Most of gangsta rap and hip hop are pure shit.
There are a few good songs here and there that I enjoy though, but other than that, it sucks balls. At least pop music, despite also being shit, has some actual music in it (not saying it's good).
I think rap is amazing, I respect your opinion but damn how wrong I believe you are. You said that rap is objectively shit? How the hell do you think that? I wonder if you ever actually listened to the lyrics and for the record there are different types of rap so you are gonna get a pretty big difference in experience. I would recommend listening to NF if you can be bothered. I do agree though that most rap is shit because it is about sex, drugs and other bad things but most music is.
Damn, I thought this was an old thread...I was right LOL. In any case, I'm sure the OP isn't too happy with how the past 5 years have panned out for popular music.
notevensunday said in beginning of the first sentence that..."I think rap is amazing", and in the beginning of the last sentence that..."I do agree though that most rap is shit". There you go. That's from an acolyte of the genre. I rest my case.
It's not my cup of tea either. I like funny rap if at all, but most songs to me are just dudes bragging (about crime) in rhymes, and in the case of German rap, with the bariton of a gorilla.
I respect it for the way it was born. The musical protest of poor, oppressed people.
Shit millennials used to complain about. Nostalgic, isn't it? I wonder what kind of petty things zoomers say. Maybe they've transcended the rant and now simply post memes to express their innermost thoughts. Will the rant be forgotten to the sands of time, except when a confused stranger attempts to raise the dead horse? Is EngrishTeacher even still alive? Is the future of the internet for people to respond to the posts of people who died decades ago? Really makes you think.
On February 11 2020 06:31 Chef wrote: Shit millennials used to complain about. Nostalgic, isn't it? I wonder what kind of petty things zoomers say. Maybe they've transcended the rant and now simply post memes to express their innermost thoughts. Will the rant be forgotten to the sands of time, except when a confused stranger attempts to raise the dead horse? Is EngrishTeacher even still alive? Is the future of the internet for people to respond to the posts of people who died decades ago? Really makes you think.
Just you wait a couple more decade until we are comparing exegesis of EngrishTeacher contribution to history. Should we analyses his thinking as a manifestation of a larger movement of mid-2010 popculture backlash or should we place more importance in his personal work, trying to find the logic within his other 1108 post?
I am in TWENTY-TWENTY-FIVE living next to a theater in a city to which I am often subjected to live and breathe next to people who listen to what rap music has been. I will not ever appreciate any of the presentation, not for the rest of my days. I suppose no other form of music has been directly sought after by the definition of un-charming and uncivil so aggressively as rap music, bundled with hip-hop including whatever they touch.
I believe I may be the only young man; specifically twenty, within 100 miles caring with SEETHING hatred for all that rap culture touches with an art. It reaches media, fashion choices as bad, speech mannerisms, and the general attitude of people, all of it has begun to spread in places. I am cursed to live under the plight for the rest of my years, but I can say that I am gifted to put my anti-rap culture likeness into something to capitalize on at least. That is the only positive thing there is to say.
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His lyrics are amazing!
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