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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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helpman177
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Glowsphere
United States170 Posts
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Textual
Saudi Arabia57 Posts
On June 20 2015 18:51 EngrishTeacher wrote: TL;DR: all my arguments are based around the complexity of music. More complex music offers a higher level of enjoyment with some effort and training, and also provides a lot more "re-listenability" I tentatively agree. I'm musically illiterate, but I've spent some time with poetry and the idea of "re-listenability", or re-readability, certainly resonates. A lot of people are dog-piling on how trite rap lyrics are. I agree, but I would be quick to also point out that the same is true, in general, of rock, pop, metal, and all the other popular music genres today; they clearly don't contain the complexity, nuance, or depth of great poems. That said, lyrics don't need to be great in order to be good - the production of songs today underlies the cultural role they play. The bad news is that the music is generally disposable - listen a couple times and then move on. The good news is there's always something new. To get people to enjoy the arts, the key is to get them engaged young - at least according to studies done in Canada and America. People never exposed to an art form at a young age are very, very unlikely to appreciate it when they are older. So, if you want more interest in classical music, fund arts programs in schools. | ||
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benhopper151
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23766 Posts
I pretty much only listen to electro (psytrance, some house, basically the 5% good stuff before the genre went mainstream), classical and metal with a few sparse songs from other genres. No wonder they don't let you touch the music. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On June 20 2015 19:35 EngrishTeacher wrote: No, euphoria is a much stronger diction choice than pleasure. Training required to produce music is VERY relevant, are you telling me you don't appreciate the skill level of good musicians? Lastly, what I meant by "emotional appeal" was a direct reply to Soularion. Of course all music has emotional appeal, the difference lies with when you solely rely on eliciting an emotional response. Anyway, way to ignore all my points and simply try to pick apart the weaker semantics in my post. Let me start by saying that I agree with you, the technical difference between a classical cellist and even a great hip hop artist is still a great difference in virtuosity (imo). But I also think, you and I may not be giving the hip hop master nearly enough credit. As far as virtuosity goes, its not really that appreciated in general by the population. There is much more support for the emotional appeal of music. Clearly people vote with their money and attention, and that is way rap and a lot of pop country/other music is at the top of the charts. Look at jazz music, it had its time and now it has past popular attention. I think its arguable jazz produced some of the greatest musicians of all time. Definitely on par technically with any classical artist. You can't evenly compare the two, but the raw understanding of music in both genres is deep. Like a language you cannot simply just "speak" it, you must learn and practice it to say something intelligent. Rap music, hip hop, whatever you want to call it, is the product of a subculture. This culture has been extremely repressed in many ways, especially in the realm of socioeconomics. Most people in rap don't care about the violin because, who the fuck has 10,000 dollars to spend on an instrument. For that matter, in that same culture who has 40 dollars a week to pay for 1 hour with a teacher? How many teachers did have you had spoon feeding you lifetimes of study from great musicians so you could avoid many of the pitfalls of learning people experienced prior to you during their learning process? In short, if you have no money, no training, and no cello what is the real statical percentage that you become the next yoyo ma (I think it's probably < .01). You see where I'm going with this? I could say a lot more, but I'm not that interested in trying to prove a point. Just try to have more of an open mind. Check out "Resurrection" by Common Sense, specifically the song "I used to love her" (who had to change his name to "Common" cause someone else had that name before him). This song addresses your criticisms about hip hop, from the mouth of an artist in the genre. More impressive he wrote it in 1994. Try rapping yourself and actually making a GOOD recording that people want to listen to and is virtuoso level. Maybe you can get some insight into the depth of this form of art. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On June 21 2015 01:57 Skynx wrote: Omg, im not sure I understand this, but I've run into ninazerg and this made me smile/laugh. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
You know that there can be a similar blog written about metal and electronic music right? Electronic "musicians " don't know how to play an instrument, they only press play. Metal "musicians" make a lot of noise, screaming and shouting isn't music but noise. Distorted guitar shredding is noise. Talking about sick things like death and Raping a limbless cadaver is NOT music. Etc. On June 20 2015 20:13 helpman177 wrote:https://youtube.com/watch?v=ooOL4T-BAg0 Great video. There are already a lot of good suggestions here. You should try Eminem's Marshal Mathers LP and definitely the Eminem song featured in that video below, which happens to be one of my favorite rap songs: Very important video to understand Eminem's lyrics. Timestamped interview about the work that goes into being Eminem Symphonic music is hard and complex but they don't use language (Opera aside, I haven't listened to much opera but the ones I've listened to and understood like Carmen are shallow anyway.). There is definitely a play of rhythm and synchopation involved in rap. On June 20 2015 18:51 EngrishTeacher wrote: Edit: would be VERY interested in a correlational study that looks into basic music training (i'm talking about just being able to read sheet music and maybe mess around with entry-level pieces on an instrument) in relation to genres preferred. Obviously there are tons of other factors at play (culture, socio-economic status, etc.), but I'm willing to bet that more people would forgo your typical popular music for more complex ones with just a bit of training. It's a matter of "cheap pleasure" vs. a higher appreciation of the arts, and the 2 main reasons that most people are content with popular music is due to the huge obstacle in acquiring a music education, and the endless waves of new popular music that comes out daily in order to continuing fueling the instant auditory pleasure. I guess what I'm trying to say is, there just might be some objectivity in what constitutes "good music", and in the end it's all about simply deriving pleasure vs. being overwhelmed by waves pure auditory ecstasy. TL;DR: all my arguments are based around the complexity of music. More complex music offers a higher level of enjoyment with some effort and training, and also provides a lot more "re-listenability" i have a friend who was a conductor for his school symphonic band, plays the trombone, knows every classical composer and doesn't listen to certain pieces because it's too popular or listen to Brahms because he thinks that Brahms is overrated etc etc He loves the shittiest type of hip hop and rap that I don't like. hahaha PS: I used to look down on electronic music but it's actually UNIMAGINABLY complex. A classical composer would not be able to replicate a simple song like Animals. And definitely not scary monsters and nice sprites. Hope you'll like it  | ||
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Serpest
United States603 Posts
On June 20 2015 22:45 Bannt wrote: Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream. Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream. Belts off, trousers down, isn't life a scream. HAH~! | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
Here's why! I dislike Trance. It's not my cup of tea. I don't think the genre itself is worthless, because apparently, a lot of people like it for some reason. I don't know why. However, something bothers me. I pretty much only listen to electro (psytrance, some house, basically the 5% good stuff before the genre went mainstream), classical and metal with a few sparse songs from other genres. Not sure where the "5%" comes from, but I'm sure you went through some huge sample size and came up with that figure after a long, exhaustive research project for your local university. I can draw some interesting parallels between your figure and the figures attributed to hip-hop music. Many urban music scholars have isolated "good" rap music and "shit" rap music into two, distinct groups, and the sample of "good" rap music is nearly identical in percentile points to the percentage of electro music that you yourself have found to be "good". How coincidental is that shit? | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On June 20 2015 18:06 Soularion wrote: - Mick Jenkins [#montreal, although he's not from here] MICK JENKINS MAD REP! Drink mo water!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
now that's not to say i don't understand the sentiment of detesting an entire genre and wanting to rant about what garbage it is. the way you feel about rap is the way i feel about dubstep, most types of metal and any variety of screamy/whiny rock made by misogynistic twentysomething white dudes. but there's really no escaping the fact that you're essentially trolling here - maybe trolling with a lowercase "t," but still absolutely trolling. if you weren't trying to draw attention and fire to your opinion you could have easily titled it something harmless like "my problems with rap/why i don't like rap/etc. etc." but hey, i'm not saying you're doing anything wrong. do whatever you want. it just makes you look a bit vitriolic and silly logically speaking my issue with your rant is that a lot of your complaints against rap can be made just as effectively against massive swaths of music in other popular (and unpopular!) genres. are you going to tell me white trash rock music isn't full of rudimentary, repetitive songwriting and lyrics about women and drugs/alcohol? if you're going to argue that a "higher percentage" of rap has those characteristics i call bullshit unless you're going to show me some kind of actual study or analysis. otherwise you're just lazily repeating a stereotype, which is pretty poor stuff coming from such a self-styled musical aesthete edit: also the dude trying to defend rap using eminem is making me fucking cringe lol. how long are people going to keep screaming about how lyrically/verbally proficient eminem is before they realize that they're just clinging out of nostalgia to shock horseshit they liked when they were 12? regardless of any debate about his lyrical chops his music and image and personality are so totally godawful and unredeemable | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 21 2015 01:24 benhopper151 wrote: So elitist, its just sound. Sound is overrated. I prefer feeling electromagnetic frequencies that can't be perceived by normal people (aka people with bad taste) such as radio waves and infrared. It's sad that nobody truly understands the cosmic world we live in simply because they can't get it. Though, nothing gets me more baked than Gamma rays. | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On June 21 2015 01:24 benhopper151 wrote: So elitist, its just sound. As someone who went to music school, I don't know if I should find this offensive or not  | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
Due to this thread you have been educated a little bit. However I wager that you are going to make the exact same mistake again and go on making sweeping assumptive judgments with the only change being that you will now consider a few more qualities in rap music as having value than you did originally when you made this thread. My advice? 1. Stop applying your value criteria to things that were never even intended to suit it as a way to mentally masturbate yourself into feeling superior. 2. Remember that the music education that you were given is not handed out to the mainstream, that you are lucky to have it, and that it is pathetic to use the knowledge given to you as an excuse to hate on people that don't have it and probably don't even care to have it. 3. Not everything is a dick measuring contest. Minecraft is a great game. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 21 2015 01:57 Skynx wrote: First of all, I'd like say happy birthday, from America to Turkey Before this thread goes dry like jerky, I wanna say it's really starting to irk me We have a fusion of delusional musing over music and confusing acute accusing Like it's a huge thing, when we should be defusing instead of arguing over who's losing This is an argument over the internet where too many minds choose to intersect Like let's see who can win the bet: who can go longer before they screw their intellect? Now the OP is like 'Woe is me', 'Rap is only retards attempting poetry' When you know that shit is fully loaded dissing a whole genre openly You say you like trance, while I like rap, so let's dance with verbosity Let's slam on our keyboards and see who comes out with most potent cogency Nah, let's skip that and talk facts, cut the fat, and if you wanna talk trash, cut the crap Let's get our asses down to brass tacks before we decide to fuck with rap You say only five percent of electro is good or something of the sorts I'd say the same; ninety-five percent of rappers are straight-up just dorks Talking about driving a porsche full of models into fucking five-star resorts Cuz some whack album went diamond and a dope album went quartz That's why Skrillex is wearing a Rolex and Iggy is wearing a Schwartz It's like letting the worst players on the team be up first to play sports Some people like visceral sound that just connects; love it, like it explicitly Some people like scriptural sound that is complex; some like the simplicity Now trance isn't my cup of tea, but I'd never say 'fuck you' to electronic sound With the avant-garde layers and bass that makes the tectonics pound But come on, learn to appreciate hip-hop music and give it affection I hope you can do so upon more research and further reflection cuz it's just culture; just another form of human expression You can see it too if you just readjust your sense of perception | ||
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bookwyrm
United States722 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
is probs cuz of hopsin's admonishment of pop genres. From what people posted. he will focus, on the most clicked. "underground" poet spit. motion pic, over which. he can hold his glimpse, zone in then, wonder loud "holy shit, so this is, fully rich, must turn down, moby dick. | ||
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