Rap is honestly complete shit - Page 3

On June 21 2015 10:59 ninazerg wrote:


First of all, I'd like say happy birthday, from America to Turkey
Before this thread goes dry like jerky, I wanna say it's really starting to irk me
We have a fusion of delusional musing over music and confusing acute accusing
Like it's a huge thing, when we should be defusing instead of arguing over who's losing
This is an argument over the internet where too many minds choose to intersect
Like let's see who can win the bet: who can go longer before they screw their intellect?
Now the OP is like 'Woe is me', 'Rap is only retards attempting poetry'
When you know that shit is fully loaded dissing a whole genre openly
You say you like trance, while I like rap, so let's dance with verbosity
Let's slam on our keyboards and see who comes out with most potent cogency
Nah, let's skip that and talk facts, cut the fat, and if you wanna talk trash, cut the crap
Let's get our asses down to brass tacks before we decide to fuck with rap
You say only five percent of electro is good or something of the sorts
I'd say the same; ninety-five percent of rappers are straight-up just dorks
Talking about driving a porsche full of models into fucking five-star resorts
Cuz some whack album went diamond and a dope album went quartz
That's why Skrillex is wearing a Rolex and Iggy is wearing a Schwartz
It's like letting the worst players on the team be up first to play sports
Some people like visceral sound that just connects; love it, like it explicitly
Some people like scriptural sound that is complex; some like the simplicity
Now trance isn't my cup of tea, but I'd never say 'fuck you' to electronic sound
With the avant-garde layers and bass that makes the tectonics pound
But come on, learn to appreciate hip-hop music and give it affection
I hope you can do so upon more research and further reflection
cuz it's just culture; just another form of human expression
You can see it too if you just readjust your sense of perception

On June 21 2015 08:41 brickrd wrote:

well it's pretty much been covered, but yeah, the debate over whether there's such a thing as objectively good music is completely pointless and asinine. even if you deftly and successfully manage to define a bunch of things you think are components of good/important/noble music (technical skill, complexity, etc.) at the end of your pompous bullshit you're still just saying "your enjoyment is worth less than mine because i'm thinking harder during mine" which, you know, makes you seem like an asshole who's trying to make people feel bad. also the mental gymnastics about "objectivity" in entertainment are lodged so firmly in your butthole that i can smell what you ate by reading your pos

(wall of text)

edit: also the dude trying to defend rap using eminem is making me fucking cringe lol. how long are people going to keep screaming about how lyrically/verbally proficient eminem is before they realize that they're just clinging out of nostalgia to shock horseshit they liked when they were 12? regardless of any debate about his lyrical chops his music and image and personality are so totally godawful and unredeemable

On June 21 2015 12:22 JieXian wrote:


Haha haha haha

This is a thread about rap. This is not a ladies talk show about anybody's personality and image. Lyrical chops are exactly what we're interested in.

BTW you have just discredited yourself big time by writing a wall of fancy text only to show your true bigoted colours In the last paragraph.

Hilarious. The delusion is strong in this one.

I'm sure people who still enjoy Beethoven are clinging to nostalgia too right?

And I only understood Eminem a few years ago after relistening to mmlp. When I was 12 I didn't understand anything.

Also, I'm not sure about him but please keep your nose away from my butt hole

On June 20 2015 20:13 helpman177 wrote:
In German there is actually a distinction between E-Musik (serious) and U-Musik (popular).

So you are comparing two pairs of shoes.

Obviously playing in a synfonic orchestra requires more practise and skill than producing electronic music.

But that's not what you are comparing anyway, you are comparing rap music to other popular music like house.


Now, you can make the argument that melodies allow for more complexity than rhythm alone.

However, in Hip Hop you have the rhythm + the rhyming and in good Hip Hop you will additionally have complex melodies and breaks.


Just to give you an idea, Aesop Rock uses 7,392 unique words in his first 35,000 lyrics and has a wider vocabulary than Shakespeare.

http://experiments.undercurrent.com

And if you think producing good rhymes is so easy, I suggest you watch this video.

On June 21 2015 14:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
"i can drown a drink of water and kill a dead tree... dont mess with Muhammad Ali"
"tell all of the people out there who betting on Sonny that all of 'em are gonna lose their money"

Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali was a marketing genius.

On June 21 2015 13:04 Qwyn wrote:
I was indoctrinated into thinking much the same as you, that all rap is - is a bunch of black dudes

On June 21 2015 13:38 brickrd wrote:
um, lol, ok? you sure are angry that i think eminem is a piece of shit. i didn't realize that you were the curator of what can be discussed in this thread, nor that eminem's personality was irrelevant to his musical career. because it's not like his entire gimmick and the majority of his fame were based on his personality, right? it's not like he literally repeatedly made songs about his image and his persona to capitalize on it... but hey it's cute that someone who deifies eminem and compares him to beethoven also tries to insult me by comparing me to women and making vaguely homo-paranoid puns about your anus. who would have seen that coming?!

i'm not sure what "credit" you think i was looking for here as i'm a dude posting an opinion on a starcraft website, not a scholar or debate nerd. also before taking about delusion i would probably consider that you just called me a "bigot" as part of your defense... of fucking eminem... lol. not to mention that i didn't say anything that fits any definition of bigotry

difference between me and op is that i don't claim my opinion is more than an opinion. you can think i'm an idiot all you want i don't really care and i don't have some BS logic about how musical theory says i'm better than you

On June 21 2015 08:41 brickrd wrote: they're just clinging out of nostalgia to shock horseshit they liked when they were 12?

On June 21 2015 08:41 brickrd wrote:also the mental gymnastics about "objectivity" in entertainment are lodged so firmly in your butthole that i can smell what you ate

Bigot: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

On June 20 2015 18:51 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Awesome, rant into genuine discovery. Will try to give the suggestions in this thread a good listen.

On June 21 2015 16:37 JieXian wrote:
Nobody was comparing Eminem to Beethoven. It was to refute your nostalgia point. You can replace Beethoven with Jimi Hendrix, John Coltrane or the Beatles.

On June 21 2015 14:50 Surth wrote:
Bookwyrm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG08anKTA8A

On June 21 2015 10:59 ninazerg wrote:


First of all, I'd like say happy birthday, from America to Turkey
Before this thread goes dry like jerky, I wanna say it's really starting to irk me
We have a fusion of delusional musing over music and confusing acute accusing
Like it's a huge thing, when we should be defusing instead of arguing over who's losing
This is an argument over the internet where too many minds choose to intersect
Like let's see who can win the bet: who can go longer before they screw their intellect?
Now the OP is like 'Woe is me', 'Rap is only retards attempting poetry'
When you know that shit is fully loaded dissing a whole genre openly
You say you like trance, while I like rap, so let's dance with verbosity
Let's slam on our keyboards and see who comes out with most potent cogency
Nah, let's skip that and talk facts, cut the fat, and if you wanna talk trash, cut the crap
Let's get our asses down to brass tacks before we decide to fuck with rap
You say only five percent of electro is good or something of the sorts
I'd say the same; ninety-five percent of rappers are straight-up just dorks
Talking about driving a porsche full of models into fucking five-star resorts
Cuz some whack album went diamond and a dope album went quartz
That's why Skrillex is wearing a Rolex and Iggy is wearing a Schwartz
It's like letting the worst players on the team be up first to play sports
Some people like visceral sound that just connects; love it, like it explicitly
Some people like scriptural sound that is complex; some like the simplicity
Now trance isn't my cup of tea, but I'd never say 'fuck you' to electronic sound
With the avant-garde layers and bass that makes the tectonics pound
But come on, learn to appreciate hip-hop music and give it affection
I hope you can do so upon more research and further reflection
cuz it's just culture; just another form of human expression
You can see it too if you just readjust your sense of perception